Depression

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Deade

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I wonder if people confuse the words "mental" with "spiritual?" Because they both seem to be about the head?

Our society seems to think that happiness is the goal, and life being perfect achieves that. The Bible says something totally different. The Bible says we rejoice in our suffering! (Romans 5:3). The Bible says we grow in character through our endurance in suffering. (Romans 5:4). The Bible says to count it all joy, when we have trials and tribulations. Because this is how we mature. Note James says "joy", not happiness. Our joy is in Christ, but there is no guarantee of happiness! That is a worldly value.
This is the way I think of happiness: It is something you pick up while strolling through life. Like playing with a puppy or talking to a toddler. Happiness are the little joys of life instead of a condition. If we acted happy continually they would put us in the funny-farm.

No matter how depressed someone is, or the turmoil in our lives, we MUST put our hope in God, and praise him! And sometimes, that means praising God, anyway!
I always say there are two times to praise God: When you feel like it and when you don't.

 

LPT

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The thing youre forgetting is everyone's body reacts differently to each medication. What may work for one may do nothing for another.
Also varying degrees of depression can determine the usefulness of a medication.
I knew a guy that was depressed so I told him some changes to make in his lifestyle. He listened and it worked and changed his entire life. Others may make those same changes and little may happen. Or they won't have the capacity to even attempt those changes.
When offering advice on mental illness of any kind it's never a good idea to state one angle and push it as the Only good option, such as how you're doing. Because what works best for you may not be best for everyone.
Of coarse ugly I offered my opinion and what I use I never said mine is the only good option. My advice to you is to read people's post completely be quick to think and slow to speak so as not to make statements like the one you made to me as mine is the only good option I never said that you merely assumed that or it is coming because another reason???
 

LaVieEnRose

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This is the way I think of happiness: It is something you pick up while strolling through life. Like playing with a puppy or talking to a toddler. Happiness are the little joys of life instead of a condition. If we acted happy continually they would put us in the funny-farm.



I always say there are two times to praise God: When you feel like it and when you don't.

I think it is interesting to think about the word origin of “happiness”. It comes from the same word root as the words “happens” and “happenstance”. These things are fleeting, and happiness is temporary- like you said, frolicking with a puppy or seeing a baby laugh. If we were happy all the time, our bodies probably could not handle it. I daresay most of the time, we are in “neutral”. Depressed people need either medication or therapy or both to get them into “neutral”.
 

Tinuviel

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I have never thought about it that way. I’ll have to put his book on my “to read” list.
I found insight from the book, but I'm not sure I can really recommend it. The reviews are mixed on Metaxas, and his style irritated me. There were also a point or two that didn't quite seem to line up with other biographical information I had read about Luther.
 

LaVieEnRose

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Iodine in salt disappates over a relatively short time and most people have it sitting in their cupboards long after its usefulness.
It is in most foods, though. I mean if most people in the nation had an iodine deficiency, wouldn’t there be a lot of people walking about with goiters on their necks? No one sees goiters nowadays, it is pretty much a thing of the past.
 

LaVieEnRose

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I found insight from the book, but I'm not sure I can really recommend it. The reviews are mixed on Metaxas, and his style irritated me. There were also a point or two that didn't quite seem to line up with other biographical information I had read about Luther.
I don’t believe I’ve ever read any books by him. Thanks very much for the information.
 

Hungry

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It is in most foods, though. I mean if most people in the nation had an iodine deficiency, wouldn’t there be a lot of people walking about with goiters on their necks? No one sees goiters nowadays, it is pretty much a thing of the past.
Most salt in food is not iodinized. A lot of people are avoiding table salt because of hypertension. It doesn’t just prevent goitres. Your body uses it to make thyroxin, T4 (4 iodine molecules) Then when your system requires energy, a catalyst (can’t remember name) causes one iodine molecule to separate making it T3, the active form. There is a lot at play biochemically. Most people who suffer from illnesses including depression have digestion issues and even though they consume the nutrients, it doesn’t get into the system. There are so many factors. Everyone needs to be treated independently, not as lab rats for big Pharma.
 

LaVieEnRose

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Most salt in food is not iodinized. A lot of people are avoiding table salt because of hypertension. It doesn’t just prevent goitres. Your body uses it to make thyroxin, T4 (4 iodine molecules) Then when your system requires energy, a catalyst (can’t remember name) causes one iodine molecule to separate making it T3, the active form. There is a lot at play biochemically. Most people who suffer from illnesses including depression have digestion issues and even though they consume the nutrients, it doesn’t get into the system. There are so many factors. Everyone needs to be treated independently, not as lab rats for big Pharma.
Our worldviews diverge sharply. I do not think medical conditions of any kind should be treated by laymen. I understand pharmaceutical companies have a lot of power and influence. I have a tremendous amount of respect for doctors and nurses and trust their judgment.

I think homeopathic remedies have their place, and can be beneficial, but I would not take something without asking a doctor’s advice.
 

LPT

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Most salt in food is not iodinized. A lot of people are avoiding table salt because of hypertension. It doesn’t just prevent goitres. Your body uses it to make thyroxin, T4 (4 iodine molecules) Then when your system requires energy, a catalyst (can’t remember name) causes one iodine molecule to separate making it T3, the active form. There is a lot at play biochemically. Most people who suffer from illnesses including depression have digestion issues and even though they consume the nutrients, it doesn’t get into the system. There are so many factors. Everyone needs to be treated independently, not as lab rats for big Pharma.
Indeed few foods have the good amount of iodine to make the difference, seafood is by far the top, cod liver being a real good sourse for it, some fruits and vegetables diary products have the right kind of iodine to support thyriod functions. the FDA recommendation of 225 mcg daily is way under what the rest of the world does, Japanese consume around 10 to 12 mg daily and they have very low thyroid issues among its population unlike in America I quoted wrong 70mil it's about 20 million people in America with thyriod issues me being one of them.

I've read a article about the big pharma problems and there quite huge. I had no idea that if you add up the profits of big pharma to the GDP of 183 countries big pharma come in at 15 apolling indeed. here's a little about the issues and this being about anti depressant at that go figure.

If the FDA isn't on the 'take' from 'Big Pharm' they sure ought to be. Take for example some expensive popular antidepressant medications, an April 2002 study in the Journal of American Medical Association compared the effectiveness of Zoloft, St John’s Wort, and a placebo and found that the placebo treated patients had the highest rate of remission of symptoms at 31.9%, and Zoloft’s 24.8% was barely better than the rate of remission with St John’s Wort of 23.9%.
The FDA’s own records on Celexa (citalopram) show the agency knew the drug to be ineffective when it was approved, and the agency based its approval on 2 marginally positive studies out of a total of 17 conducted.
Also, let's look at Pfizer's Celebrex, an expensiveanti-inflammatory that was pressed upon the medical community as being, unlike Ibuprofin, 'gentle to the stomach;' In fact, it was not. The research was cherry-picked to support that conclusion, they released short term positive data, and witheld very negativelongterm data. It was as harsh as Ibuprofin on the stomach, yet was not as effective, but Pfizer's marketing moved full steam ahead with their deceptive marketing blitz against other, generic anti-inflammatories. Their income was $51.6 billion. They were hit with large punitive damages a few years later by the FDA, but these fines are tax-deductibleso the FDA has the option of raising the award to offset the tax windfall.
80% of the Doctor's today remain proscribing Celebrex to their insured customers, because the false advertising was never retracted, and not given a blerb by the FDA on the inside page of the Lancet. Pfizer Stock continues to climb in value.

And big pharma gets doctors to perscribe such crap by giving the doctors, discounts, kick backs, golf trips and all kinds of perks to push their drugs.
 
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hub and I take liquid iodine when our bodies tell us - when you eat 'clean', another words,
no junk, one is able to 'hear' their own body tell them what it 'needs' as opposed to
what it wants for emotional sustenance...
 

LPT

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hub and I take liquid iodine when our bodies tell us - when you eat 'clean', another words,
no junk, one is able to 'hear' their own body tell them what it 'needs' as opposed to
what it wants for emotional sustenance...
cool beans, here's a little info if you didn't know already and for others also,

With yellow type iodine applied to the skin a person can do a quick home test to check iodine levels, it wouldn't be a absolute proof of a iodine deficiency but a good Simple test to do at home and if the body absorbs the yellow quickly, then a person might want to go to the doctor to have blood work done to be absolutely positive of a deficiency. I am as well into eating healthy and I consider myself a herbalist. I'm into them lol...

 
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Thanks LPT,

a very informative and interesting Post...

for many years, hub and myself would use a combination of 'iodine crystals and turpentine'
to treat 'thrush' in Horses, we would put the crystals first into the infected area, and then
pour the turpentine into it to create a chemical reaction, which would cauterize the
infection - the results were amazing!!!.............................................................................
 

LPT

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Thanks LPT,

a very informative and interesting Post...

for many years, hub and myself would use a combination of 'iodine crystals and turpentine'
to treat 'thrush' in Horses, we would put the crystals first into the infected area, and then
pour the turpentine into it to create a chemical reaction, which would cauterize the
infection - the results were amazing!!!.............................................................................
That's quite interesting,

I gather you and hub raise horses or once have? I've always wanted to ride a horse I've been close to them enough to pet one. I've never been to a farm with horses or a place one can go to experience that connection of rider and horse, surely it's a lot of fun maybe one day ill make the effort to experience riding a horse.
 

shittim

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We don't see Jesus ever saying, "This looks too tough for me to heal". We are all to be growing in Him daily, much that passes for genuine faith misses the mark, hence we don't know how to access His healing when the adversary attacks.
 
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That's quite interesting,

I gather you and hub raise horses or once have? I've always wanted to ride a horse I've been close to them enough to pet one. I've never been to a farm with horses or a place one can go to experience that connection of rider and horse, surely it's a lot of fun maybe one day ill make the effort to experience riding a horse.
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Yes LPT,
hub and I have been in the horse-arena for many decades, hub starting at 11yrs. and myself at around mid-twenties...
we've covered about all bases with several other occupations along with our horse business through the years...
hub will be 70 this year and still trims a few for friends...

having a real relationship with a horse is really beyond words, it's not only a blessing, but a very great
teaching tool also, on many levels...we've been very blessed in so many ways...