Does God by his Very Definition Give Heretics the Right to Enter Into Heaven?
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If you are speaking of a "revelation" that has occurred in their lives, and not MY idea or YOURS, and they refuse to acknowledge it.... well then, probably not.
But the primary thing for us to keep in mind is that such a thing really IS only between them and God. No matter how much we ache for it, and feel we are justified because of the "special connection" we have with God, we have no part in that process.
But the primary thing for us to keep in mind is that such a thing really IS only between them and God. No matter how much we ache for it, and feel we are justified because of the "special connection" we have with God, we have no part in that process.
God by 'very definition' is sovereign, and has mercy on who He will have mercy.
we, by 'very definition' are those who did not seek Him, but were found by Him, and who had no knowledge of Him, but were taught of Him; we are who did not ask for Him, but who He revealed Himself to.
none of us were anything more than heretics when we were first brought into the truth - and no one who remains in Him remains ignorant of Him.
we, by 'very definition' are those who did not seek Him, but were found by Him, and who had no knowledge of Him, but were taught of Him; we are who did not ask for Him, but who He revealed Himself to.
none of us were anything more than heretics when we were first brought into the truth - and no one who remains in Him remains ignorant of Him.
I have an especially hard time with remembering that. Since I have forsaken Denominationally structured and formed Bible study, and gotten into more independent study for myself, I have learned SO many things I never dreamed of previously. And It "kills" me not to be able to straighten out all the misguided souls out there since I now have a Holy, direct and exclusive line to God's sovereign will. (facetiously worded, in case anyone was about to jump all over me)
hmm. . ..
Brethren, I count not myself to have apprehended: but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus. Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded: and if in any thing ye be otherwise minded, God shall reveal even this unto you.
(Philippians 3:13-15 KJV)
Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus. All of us, then, who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you.
(Philippians 3:13-15 NIV)
(Philippians 3:13-15 KJV)
Brothers and sisters, I do not consider myself yet to have taken hold of it. But one thing I do: Forgetting what is behind and straining toward what is ahead, I press on toward the goal to win the prize for which God has called me heavenward in Christ Jesus. All of us, then, who are mature should take such a view of things. And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you.
(Philippians 3:13-15 NIV)
maybe i should just step out and say it -
no dude, people are not going to hell for not believing the earth is flat, and you are not going to hell for refusing to accept that the earth is not flat.
people go to hell because they reject Jesus Christ -- not because they are ignorant, however willfully, of the natural world. though if they make idols out of it, rejecting the Creator for the created things -- well, ...
God is still sovereign, and He will have mercy on who He will have mercy. but He has said that whoever believes on the Son has eternal life, and who does not believe Christ is condemned already.
the deciding factor is not what you do with physics or with Isaiah's descriptive language. it's what you do with Jesus Christ.
no dude, people are not going to hell for not believing the earth is flat, and you are not going to hell for refusing to accept that the earth is not flat.
people go to hell because they reject Jesus Christ -- not because they are ignorant, however willfully, of the natural world. though if they make idols out of it, rejecting the Creator for the created things -- well, ...
God is still sovereign, and He will have mercy on who He will have mercy. but He has said that whoever believes on the Son has eternal life, and who does not believe Christ is condemned already.
the deciding factor is not what you do with physics or with Isaiah's descriptive language. it's what you do with Jesus Christ.
i sure hope not, but it is of an oddly different character than any of your previous posts on this website, and i have a sneaking suspicion that your obliqueness here is hiding an ulterior motive.
that's all.
what i hope instead, is that you've finally decided God is important enough to talk about!
which is why i'm here, too
how do you think Philippians 3:13-15 bears on that?
specifically verse 15 -
- "And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you." ?
or Hebrews 12: 6 -
- "the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son."
do you think this also answers that question?
specifically verse 15 -
- "And if on some point you think differently, that too God will make clear to you." ?
or Hebrews 12: 6 -
- "the Lord disciplines the one he loves, and he chastens everyone he accepts as his son."
do you think this also answers that question?
hmm... well that is kind of an issue then. revealed truth in any ones eyes can be different, with Christianity alone we have hundreds of different denominations within those denominations we have hundreds if not thousands of different doctrines within the tree of believers and doctrines we have thousands of different views and understanding and beliefs of those doctrine most believing theirs is the truth and was revealed to them by God.
I cannot say I know the full the truth i question everything I believe every doctrine I hold every view or interpretation of each scripture or belief or doctrine I take into consideration asking myself is this my truth or his truth do I believe this because this is what I want it to mean? because this is how I think God is? and what is my reason for believing it?
Often times I find that God will show me that what I thought was truth was in fact not.
It takes a truly teachable heart to know the deep and hidden secrets and truth of God's heart and kingdom
I cannot say I know the full the truth i question everything I believe every doctrine I hold every view or interpretation of each scripture or belief or doctrine I take into consideration asking myself is this my truth or his truth do I believe this because this is what I want it to mean? because this is how I think God is? and what is my reason for believing it?
Often times I find that God will show me that what I thought was truth was in fact not.
It takes a truly teachable heart to know the deep and hidden secrets and truth of God's heart and kingdom
Again perhaps I should I remind you of my vote
I voted yes and I may have stones thrown at me but I stand by my choice.
Who among us has all of the correct doctrine? for all we know we may believe something to be the truth when in fact is actually heresy and not mention God is far more interested in the heart of a person not the doctrine they hold
I voted yes and I may have stones thrown at me but I stand by my choice.
Who among us has all of the correct doctrine? for all we know we may believe something to be the truth when in fact is actually heresy and not mention God is far more interested in the heart of a person not the doctrine they hold
