Does it make a difference any more?

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RickyZ

RickyZ

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wwjd_kilden said:
ar ju sujjeting ai wraite støff the wei dey saond in mai ers? :D

I don't mind a misspelled word here and there, but I cringe when I read a sentence full or errors.
Especially online, because most browsers have a built in spellcheck... so there's really few excuses.
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rdbseekingafterhim said:
We all make mistakes from time to time. It's called being human. I am upset with how schools are doing things now. They are praised for effort rather than being corrected on mistakes. I remember when I was in school how the teachers mercilessly graded you on things. Here is a prime example of this. I was able to do most math in my head. My problems had gotten marked as incorrect because I failed to show my work. The answer was right, but failing to show your work caused it to be marked wrong. In English class the teacher would crucify you for placing a comma wrong; say you put in a semicolon instead of a colon they would go ballistic. Now it's ok for these things as long as you tried. That's schools that are in my area though. However, each school district is different. A student can say 2+2=5, and as long as they show how they came up with it they get credit for it. Even sports in schools are becoming babied saying there are no winners and losers. They give out participation trophies out. They said the words winner and loser might harm the children's feelings. The world has truly changed exponentially since I was growing up.
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We do all make mistakes once in a while. But I see people who chronically make these mistakes. There's one guy here that I pushed to do it right, his attitude was basically screw this I'm making a conscious decision to continue doing it wrong. Which tells me he has no interest in the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth. And the truth is only available to those who are willing to question and if need be change what they believe.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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Thanks for the laughs. I don't know why it irritates me. Well, yes I do.

First is because I was forced to learn the proper use. And if I had to, dang it everyone should ;) Right, sassylady?

Secondly, it is a sign of the dumbing down of America as Utah said. That scares me. This is how we end up with things like Trump vs Hillary.

Mostly, it's because these things are sooooo simple to get right. And if you're not interested in getting the easy things right, I have to question the writer's ability and interest in getting the harder issues right. Wrong in a little, wrong in a lot - right?


And no one has called me out for my intentional error in the op. Curious :)
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Didn't notice... I am used to Facebook- norwenglish.
(Didd you hear the joke about the mann who -... )
 
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From what I saw you forget the word and in each list, you used single quotation marks instead of double quotation marks with hooked on phonics, and you failed to capitalize Hooked on Phonics.
 
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wwjd_kilden

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There is a rule about that?
I've only used single quotation marks for programming
 
RickyZ

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rdbseekingafterhim said:
From what I saw you forget the word and in each list, you used single quotation marks instead of double quotation marks with hooked on phonics, and you failed to capitalize Hooked on Phonics.
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I'm busted!
 
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There's pointless rules for countless things. You'd be surprised the amount of rules in the English language. It's one of the reasons English is one of the hardest languages to learn in the world.
 
RickyZ

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I don't think the rules are pointless.

Your butt means you possess a butt.

You're butt means you are a butt.

There is a difference.
 
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I should say the rules of the English language makes it very hard to learn. The way words and punctuation is used have major impact to what is being expressed. Growing up I thought many of the rules as pointless.
 
RickyZ

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I've heard that too, that English is the hardest language to learn. Yet it is spoken throughout the world.
 
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Well proper English is the hardest if you prefer. I can speak some Spanish, but it's all butchered up lol. That's another thing I find funny people who claim they don't know English. Such as Mexicans and Asians. However, you can say you dropped a 20 they go looking for it. Lol.
 
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There's the whole prescriptive descriptive argument..
I am horrible with sentence structure. My mind doesn't formulate sentences in the way grammar deems suitable.. If in a rush, I sound really uneducated.
Also, I don't really know the rules. I can read them all I want but it doesn't stick. Not a strength of mine..
 
AbigailZeke

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Yes it does! Well, actually, it depends on who's reading anyway. I very rarely text. I'd rather call. But it's easy to tell from the way you text, if you're a millenial or acting like one!
 
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I wanted to post something, but wasn't sure my grammar would be correct.

I believe as long as people can understand the message conveyed, it's okay.

However, everyone should learn correct usage for formal occassions and when talking to grammar Nazis.
 
RickyZ

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Ok, I post this in jest (kinda :))

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RickyZ

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Grammer nazi.jpg

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rdbseekingafterhim said:
From what I saw you forget the word and in each list, you used single quotation marks instead of double quotation marks with hooked on phonics, and you failed to capitalize Hooked on Phonics.
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Actually, you're teaching AmE to a BrE speaker/writer. There are three sets of grammar rules -- British English, (BrE), American English, (AmE), and Canadian English. The Canadians are kind of stuck between the other two, so they're the hardest to Grammar Police with.

I'm a writer and critique other writers work for the privilege of getting them to crit mine. In reality, I'm not very good with AmE grammar. so most of where I screw up is my grammar. I've critted full MSS of novels for crits, and had to learn they really do use single quotes where we use doubles, use doubles where we use singles, and they don't have a period after titles. (Mr, Mrs, Dr, etc.) Good thing she's a great writer, because half my crit was asking her about BrE rules. lol

My grammar skills weren't good enough to let me teach English even after taking all the courses in college to get the degree to become an English Teacher. I can't remember the eight parts of speech if my life depended on it. I even wrote them down every day for three months a couple of years ago, and still couldn't remember them. I stink at commas, and I tend to write convoluted because my dependent clauses aren't properly docked to the part of speech they're connected to.

If that's not enough, I'm a typo queen. I really do know the difference between there, their, and they're, but my fingers do't always pick the right one. And when I'm tired my skills go downhill fast. If that's not enough, I have aphasia, a weird little mental disconnect I often can't see if I'm seeing the word or speaking it. I mean diving. I type dividing and can't see the difference even though I know both words. I'll mean probably and type prove. And I mean while and type why. Very freaky.

So I have lots of sympathy for folks with grammar problems. It works out pretty well. It seems when I tell other writers this, people with dyslexia connect with me. They can see my mistakes, but not their own, and I can see their mistakes, but not my own. We're still writers. We just have to work harder than most.
 
RickyZ

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The double quotes (") are for when you are quoting something someone actually said. Single quote (') is when you want to highlight or paraphrase something.

Use a comma wherever you would stop and take a breath is what one teacher taught me.

I have some aphasia but it's in speaking. My brain will think of two different ways to say something, my lips will sputter out some weird combination of them.

Ain't we humans a funny lot?
 
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RickyZ said:
I've heard that too, that English is the hardest language to learn. Yet it is spoken throughout the world.
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Norwegians are taught that Norwegian is the hardest one to learn, so I am assuming we have been fooled :p

To be honest, I imagine Chineese or Japaneese is much more difficult
 
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