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Gee...I dunno? Maybe because he quoted the authors.
- Now, ......What did the authors say about their own study?
- - "The authors -- unable to give a definitive answer to whether or not homosexuality is genetically caused -- made a plea that further research be conducted, and stated that if there is a biological correlate of both sexual orientation and psychiatric vulnerability, it might be more clearly observed in brain imaging research."
There it is.
In their own words.
No prove either way.
- - How unfair!
- Now, ......What did the authors say about their own study?
- - "The authors -- unable to give a definitive answer to whether or not homosexuality is genetically caused -- made a plea that further research be conducted, and stated that if there is a biological correlate of both sexual orientation and psychiatric vulnerability, it might be more clearly observed in brain imaging research."
There it is.
In their own words.
No prove either way.
- - How unfair!
J
Wow... seems like a lot of responses to this.
Bottom Line... You've got to pray about it, and really really listen to what God is telling you. He will give you the answer you are looking for... and believe me, you may try and spend years convincing yourself of what you want the answer to be. Either way, you have to take action. What's your gut feeling? When you pray about it, what answer pops into your head first? Yes or No?
If you need encouragement, feel free to read some of my story... my blog is in my signature below. I was gay for 10 years, and learned a lot. These past few years I finally started really listening to God instead of myself. Do what you can to stop thinking of what you want, and ask God what He wants from you.
Much Love,
Nick
Bottom Line... You've got to pray about it, and really really listen to what God is telling you. He will give you the answer you are looking for... and believe me, you may try and spend years convincing yourself of what you want the answer to be. Either way, you have to take action. What's your gut feeling? When you pray about it, what answer pops into your head first? Yes or No?
If you need encouragement, feel free to read some of my story... my blog is in my signature below. I was gay for 10 years, and learned a lot. These past few years I finally started really listening to God instead of myself. Do what you can to stop thinking of what you want, and ask God what He wants from you.
Much Love,
Nick
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Well, now I'm ready for a serious discussion but I see you've already burned every bridge, been unmasked, and banned. So, my advice is buy yourself a mirror. Whenever you have a problem with someone, simply hold up the mirror and look into it. There you'll find the true source of your problem. I can say this with 100% confidence after engaging you for only a short while. Happy trails troll.
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Many may however change vote depending on the medium or actor presenting the party.
Maybe people do not want a hateful attacking and overly judgemental attitude creating and provocing enemies.
Even if one may not beleive in gay marriages in church or one may not support gay marriage at all but even try "convince people out of it" if can one may still love or and like homosexual people and be against any hate or abuse or discrimination upon them.
Maybe one feels they should be accepted to have whatever sexuality they want even if one does not support it one can accept it (as long as they are not raping you) and not in christian churches.
A man whom always voted liberal changed his vote to labour because he truly beleived the new mediums representing the party and the ideas and approach they brought forth.
Maybe he was against many things in this party but the good out weighed the bad which gave this party his vote depsite he voted liberal over 30 years or so.
He thought this party represented peace perhaps and liked the new fresh ideas they brought forth and the attitude.
Some one may be against gay marriages but vote for it because they feel maybe the good out numbers the bad .
Maybe one loves so many homosexual people but still does not beleive in homosexual marriages in the church.
Theres even gay people who do not beleive in christian gay marriages.
One mother might of cained her child if it was being homosexual.
She still love the child but does not support the sexuality it is living with.
That is concidered a awful by many to not support your childs sexuality, regardless of what it may be.
But think those who support there child into badness such as have heard a woman prostitued her child fo money and the child did not even get pocket money for it while she was raking in a 4tune on a teenager.
The child did not know about it either.
you get them drunk perhaps or drug them.
support them to bad sex promiscuous and not teach them sacredness of sex is also not healthy or good.
I think a good communication from the start is very good to have with children.
No good if they afraid of you iin a bad way.
Maybe people do not want a hateful attacking and overly judgemental attitude creating and provocing enemies.
Even if one may not beleive in gay marriages in church or one may not support gay marriage at all but even try "convince people out of it" if can one may still love or and like homosexual people and be against any hate or abuse or discrimination upon them.
Maybe one feels they should be accepted to have whatever sexuality they want even if one does not support it one can accept it (as long as they are not raping you) and not in christian churches.
A man whom always voted liberal changed his vote to labour because he truly beleived the new mediums representing the party and the ideas and approach they brought forth.
Maybe he was against many things in this party but the good out weighed the bad which gave this party his vote depsite he voted liberal over 30 years or so.
He thought this party represented peace perhaps and liked the new fresh ideas they brought forth and the attitude.
Some one may be against gay marriages but vote for it because they feel maybe the good out numbers the bad .
Maybe one loves so many homosexual people but still does not beleive in homosexual marriages in the church.
Theres even gay people who do not beleive in christian gay marriages.
One mother might of cained her child if it was being homosexual.
She still love the child but does not support the sexuality it is living with.
That is concidered a awful by many to not support your childs sexuality, regardless of what it may be.
But think those who support there child into badness such as have heard a woman prostitued her child fo money and the child did not even get pocket money for it while she was raking in a 4tune on a teenager.
The child did not know about it either.
you get them drunk perhaps or drug them.
support them to bad sex promiscuous and not teach them sacredness of sex is also not healthy or good.
I think a good communication from the start is very good to have with children.
No good if they afraid of you iin a bad way.
so is lying, stealing, and so on
might you read Romans 1 and quit condemnation and let each person have a personal relationship with God. Or do think God need us to teach?
[h=3]Romans 1:18-32[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[h=3]God’s Wrath on Unrighteousness[/h][SUP]18 [/SUP]For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, [SUP]19 [/SUP]because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, [SUP]21 [/SUP]because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Professing to be wise, they became fools, [SUP]23 [/SUP]and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, [SUP]25 [/SUP]who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. [SUP]27 [/SUP]Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; [SUP]29 [/SUP]being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, [SUP]30 [/SUP]backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, [SUP]31 [/SUP]undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful;
[SUP]32 [/SUP]who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
[h=3]Romans 2[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[h=3]God’s Righteous Judgment[/h]2 Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things. [SUP]2 [/SUP]But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God? [SUP]4 [/SUP]Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance? [SUP]5 [/SUP]But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, [SUP]6 [/SUP]who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: [SUP]7 [/SUP]eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; [SUP]8 [/SUP]but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, [SUP]9 [/SUP]tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; [SUP]10 [/SUP]but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For there is no partiality with God.
Therefore before you condemn make sure your own obedience is, please God gave us all a way through him, ALl, and be loving then to all, unless you yourself does not see how deep God's love is for you brother
2 Corinthians 10:6
and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.
might you read Romans 1 and quit condemnation and let each person have a personal relationship with God. Or do think God need us to teach?
[h=3]Romans 1:18-32[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[h=3]God’s Wrath on Unrighteousness[/h][SUP]18 [/SUP]For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, [SUP]19 [/SUP]because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, [SUP]21 [/SUP]because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Professing to be wise, they became fools, [SUP]23 [/SUP]and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, [SUP]25 [/SUP]who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For this reason God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. [SUP]27 [/SUP]Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; [SUP]29 [/SUP]being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, [SUP]30 [/SUP]backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, [SUP]31 [/SUP]undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful;
[SUP]32 [/SUP]who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.
[h=3]Romans 2[/h]New King James Version (NKJV)
[h=3]God’s Righteous Judgment[/h]2 Therefore you are inexcusable, O man, whoever you are who judge, for in whatever you judge another you condemn yourself; for you who judge practice the same things. [SUP]2 [/SUP]But we know that the judgment of God is according to truth against those who practice such things. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And do you think this, O man, you who judge those practicing such things, and doing the same, that you will escape the judgment of God? [SUP]4 [/SUP]Or do you despise the riches of His goodness, forbearance, and longsuffering, not knowing that the goodness of God leads you to repentance? [SUP]5 [/SUP]But in accordance with your hardness and your impenitent heart you are treasuring up for yourself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God, [SUP]6 [/SUP]who “will render to each one according to his deeds”: [SUP]7 [/SUP]eternal life to those who by patient continuance in doing good seek for glory, honor, and immortality; [SUP]8 [/SUP]but to those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness—indignation and wrath, [SUP]9 [/SUP]tribulation and anguish, on every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek; [SUP]10 [/SUP]but glory, honor, and peace to everyone who works what is good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. [SUP]11 [/SUP]For there is no partiality with God.
Therefore before you condemn make sure your own obedience is, please God gave us all a way through him, ALl, and be loving then to all, unless you yourself does not see how deep God's love is for you brother
2 Corinthians 10:6
and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.
M
"The only thing normal about normal is that no one is normal, thus making everyone normal." This is a common belief in the world, and though in most cases it is a trumpet call for being unique it is not biblical in the case of practiced homosexuality. Practicing physical acts of homosexuality and relishing in homosexual thoughts without disciplining oneself in the mind of Christ are both morally wrong.
J
This is not a born with issue. Though is could be a part of our human tissue, we both have some of the same hormones, male more, women less. As believing the women was taken from the man. When satan tempted Eve, being a part of Adam, it was the two as one, and the mind was divided, eaten through by the words of evil, lies, and deception. The curse of man had begun. Why did Jesus come , to deliver us from the sting of spiritual death, that resulted from this. A double mind, James talks about, is unstable in all it's ways. The bible talks about that those will not enter into the kingdom of God, neither whoremongers, etc. Lust found it's way into the spirit of man. The bible talks about men lusting after man. Along this comes the assault of sodomy against both sexes. This is not love to assault someone, sexually, or other ways. God created Love between a Male and Female. He said be fruitfull and multiply. All this is is lust, which is from the flesh, the world and not from God which is Love. It is a illness of the spirit. Broken down from what one was created, male and not female, female and not male. Christ, came to heal the sick. There will be no family unitity with marriages that are the same sex. All that lies in this is confusion, and confusion is not from God. It is a lust. Men assaulting other men, with sodamy, not for love, but lust, this is why God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, because of the homosexuality and destroyed the entire city. Nothing is impossible with God, and the feelings and attraction between a male and female, is created and designed by the LOrd. It is a terrible thing that now christianity is shuned, and all other things are drawing other's into the darknes.
A reprobate mind, is what is at hand today, even in Heterosexual relationships, a reprobate mind. Sex is hardly used for replenishing as is what it is for, to have Children, Heterosexual is guilty as well, for their sex is used as: well putting blunt to get off and not have Children, been there done that, thanking God to show me this and to trust God so that I don't do it anymore, oh and can't thanks to my last disease, that took away parts that truly are not needed anymore, took a while to thank God for this, not a punishment now, rather a gift, freed from lust. Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! it is possible without the removal, I see you could just reckon it is removed already as we are to reckon ourselves dead to sin by the cross and alive to God through the cross, loving all as God loves and loved us through the cross of Son, while we are yet sinning and are still sinning, even or especially if we do not want to, it seems one just does it all the more when made aware and become guilty. Gal 6:8 might open up truth to this for those that are busy in trying to stop sin in there own flesh efforts and can't.
Sex is promoted through out this world for to sell man's product. innuendos are all over this advertising world. And is promoted as in to having a reprobate mindset of carnality
Yet God so loved the world, this is amazing and so I am left with to thank and take advantage misuse this forgiven fact or ask God what shall I do Father, thank you Jesus for this unfathomable gift that I do not wish to take advantage of and just harm others as the Corinthians did, thinking since I am forgiven I can just do what I want, not having compassion for their neighbors.
So this is why Paul wrote to them to give them truth about this 100% being forgiven, to not take it for granted, and they did learn this and came to a Godly sorrow over there worldly sorrow, you'll find that in2 Cor. 7
Thanks to all listening?
Sex is promoted through out this world for to sell man's product. innuendos are all over this advertising world. And is promoted as in to having a reprobate mindset of carnality
Yet God so loved the world, this is amazing and so I am left with to thank and take advantage misuse this forgiven fact or ask God what shall I do Father, thank you Jesus for this unfathomable gift that I do not wish to take advantage of and just harm others as the Corinthians did, thinking since I am forgiven I can just do what I want, not having compassion for their neighbors.
So this is why Paul wrote to them to give them truth about this 100% being forgiven, to not take it for granted, and they did learn this and came to a Godly sorrow over there worldly sorrow, you'll find that in2 Cor. 7
Thanks to all listening?
J
I was thinking about what could of happened in Eden. The serpent split through Eve's spirit, with words, made her think she was to be something more than what God already created her to be, perfect in every aspect, and way. Got to her, and divided her mind. Then Adams, thoughts were not much different, you obeyed your wife, your a whimp, and not the real man God intended you to be. It was the fall. We sometimes think were failures with one thing or another at times, and this is true, but not holding us to that image that was put into the minds of Eve, and Adam, we see ourselves in need of a savior, and humble ourselves before his presence to help us, remembering the words, "I can do all things through Christ who strenghtens me." Jesus fills that divided gap, he heals us, and makes us whole. It's a lie no one is born this way. He knit me in my mother's womb. It's a choice. " A double minded person, is unstable in all their ways." James.
I've had some struggles in this department myself. In high school I was in what would be considered a "gay relationship." It never got "sexual" in a physical sense, if you understand my meaning. It was, however, deeply romantic and emotional, alot of kissing. This was someone I'd pretty much been raised with. Our mothers were best of friends from their youth, both were single moms (mine from death, his from divorce), and we and our sisters were raised side-by-side. So it's possible for the "in love" part to be there without the "sexual." Our mothers figured out how we felt at some point, probably much sooner than we were aware, and were actually supportive. Maybe they shouldn't have been, but then they were rather liberal-minded.
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Who knows how many have had similar experiences at a young age and parents never knew. I had mine and never actually had, sex either. close but did not. I think at a young age their is a curiosity, that we decide to whether it is good or not for us individually, and knowing we all have our free choice, it is to me to let others have theirs when of age and if I am not their parent I have no right to intervene, maybe talk to parents and let it go to as their decision of what to do or not do. To teach is to me the best remedy, and before a child can be taught, not forced is get that child's interest, truly every persons life is like a piece of scratch paper, any and all tat come across a persons life, all leave a mark to some degree or another.
We all as I see it react differently to whatever we are told. And to me God knows what to say over anyone or anything that will teach what is beneficial to us and what is not, even if I think something is beneficial to me at the time it might not be, like eating 10 candy bars at once, great at first, later sick as a dog, and I have no right to condemn anyone else ever, and ask God to personally show me, and then decide what is beneficial and what is not, between God and me, what looked as to be good. How many of us have been there and done that, since sin is sin no matter how big or small, Love you as deep as God does. for he went to the cross for us all to redeem us and for us to love one another and not harm one another
Howard out
We all as I see it react differently to whatever we are told. And to me God knows what to say over anyone or anything that will teach what is beneficial to us and what is not, even if I think something is beneficial to me at the time it might not be, like eating 10 candy bars at once, great at first, later sick as a dog, and I have no right to condemn anyone else ever, and ask God to personally show me, and then decide what is beneficial and what is not, between God and me, what looked as to be good. How many of us have been there and done that, since sin is sin no matter how big or small, Love you as deep as God does. for he went to the cross for us all to redeem us and for us to love one another and not harm one another
Howard out
SICK SEXUAL PERVERSION IS AN ABOMINATION==ROMANS 1:18-32==For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth [SUP][l][/SUP]in unrighteousness, [SUP]19 [/SUP]because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. [SUP]22 [/SUP]Professing to be wise, they became fools, [SUP]23 [/SUP]and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures.[SUP]24 [/SUP]Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. [SUP]25 [/SUP]For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, [SUP]27 [/SUP]and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, [SUP]29 [/SUP]being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, [SUP]30 [/SUP]slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, [SUP]31 [/SUP]without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; [SUP]32 [/SUP]and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, [SUP]27 [/SUP]and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, [SUP]29 [/SUP]being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, [SUP]30 [/SUP]slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, [SUP]31 [/SUP]without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; [SUP]32 [/SUP]and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them.
BELIEVE GOD'S WORD!!!!===Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, [SUP]10 [/SUP]nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God. CONFESS AND REPENT AND GOD WILL FORGIVE AND WASH YOU CLEAN! PTL.