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DuchessAimee

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Just because you cannot see it does not mean it isn't true or real, If a prophet were not humble they would go about in a loud voice saying all kinds of things about how they are a great prophet or God has chosen them to speak in his name and would mostly talk about themselves. What is the exact opposite of humble? Prideful, this is why it is so important for a prophet to be humble. If someone goes around saying they are a great prophet you would not believe them right?


Do you not have cable? Are we not using the same internet?
 

Noel139

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There are no more Apostles.
The church is still blessed by that gift through their teaching and instruction given to us in the NT.
I thought so too, but just as I was writing this post a friend of mine showed me different.

[h=3]1 Corinthians 12:27-31 (NKJV)[/h]
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. [SUP]28 [/SUP]And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. [SUP]29 [/SUP]Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? [SUP]30 [/SUP]Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak with tongues? Do all interpret? [SUP]31 [/SUP]But earnestly desire the best gifts. And yet I show you a more excellent way.

The Church cannot work properly without this government/structure. We need this in churches or we would only ever be what the mega churches have amounted to. A place of unreasonable, godless ideas and opinions and greed.
 

Noel139

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Do you have an OT reference where shechalim is used? What I'm looking for is an OT or first century proof that the word was used back then. The Hebrew NT uses it as the standard word (Matt. 10:2, Eph. 4:11, I Cor. 12:28 for example), but there is no evidence that there ever was a Hebrew NT before Israel was resettled in 1948 (arguments about Q not withstanding), and modern Hebrew has changed significantly. If a first century reference could be found, it might open new OT verses to explaining the ministry of the apostle. As it stands now, the only reference we have that can be remotely used to demonstrate that apostles do not have to be called personally by Jesus, is Barnabas, but his name means "son of a prophet" and he started as a levite. The study of how an apostle gets called is certainly germane to your OP.

I-I-I don't know. I would really like to answer this with more intelligence, but if I tried to look this up my brain would melt.
 
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kenisyes

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I-I-I don't know. I would really like to answer this with more intelligence, but if I tried to look this up my brain would melt.
I was not expecting you personally to have an answer. Please don't think I was. Posting in forums is a way to reach all of CC (this place has 56000 members). I was hoping to reach anyone who might know. Then that person would have something to add that would be of interest to me, and possibly to your OP.
 
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Share55

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I hear a lot of people seeking but don't know where to look or who to ask which makes them an easy mark for false prophets. I even attended a church from which I was ostracized because I asked them to stop welcoming the false prophets to speak as they were leading the congregation astray. LoLz

There were many of the older ladies in Christ (the community has many widows including myself) who made it clear that they attend because they miss congregating in Christ but would have no part in the false prophets and usually didn't attend when they were in.

When you go out into the world and you see someone who is seeking or is lost tell them how to have a relationship with God.

I so often see churches (haven't found one that doesn't as yet) not liking for people to actually develop a personal relationship because they are afraid to lose the income they gain from the congregation but so long as children are born and so long as we have cycles there will always be because children will always be children and mankind will always question what is right so there will always be a need for teachers, preachers, missionaries, etc.
 

Noel139

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I was not expecting you personally to have an answer. Please don't think I was. Posting in forums is a way to reach all of CC (this place has 56000 members). I was hoping to reach anyone who might know. Then that person would have something to add that would be of interest to me, and possibly to your OP.
Okay, that is good because I wouldn't know where to start with all that stuff. I thought you were asking me, lol! I was about to fall out of my chair. I wish I did know that stuff, though.
 
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kenisyes

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Okay, that is good because I wouldn't know where to start with all that stuff. I thought you were asking me, lol! I was about to fall out of my chair. I wish I did know that stuff, though.
Keep going at the rate you're going, you will.
 

Blain

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I hear a lot of people seeking but don't know where to look or who to ask which makes them an easy mark for false prophets. I even attended a church from which I was ostracized because I asked them to stop welcoming the false prophets to speak as they were leading the congregation astray. LoLz

There were many of the older ladies in Christ (the community has many widows including myself) who made it clear that they attend because they miss congregating in Christ but would have no part in the false prophets and usually didn't attend when they were in.

When you go out into the world and you see someone who is seeking or is lost tell them how to have a relationship with God.

I so often see churches (haven't found one that doesn't as yet) not liking for people to actually develop a personal relationship because they are afraid to lose the income they gain from the congregation but so long as children are born and so long as we have cycles there will always be because children will always be children and mankind will always question what is right so there will always be a need for teachers, preachers, missionaries, etc.
People seek out prophets all the time, I guess if they actually found a legit one that promotes having a relationship with God it could be okay. But I have seen people get a so called word from god daily, not even kidding every day they get one. This is when I get suspicious as I doubt God gives a word everyday to anyone. Plus they speak a lot of so called blessing to come or wrath and judgment if we don't repent NOW. People are always looking for the next great word from God instead of spending their time in an actual relationship with Him. This is the church as well, or at least most churches. I have been to lots of churches some are actually legit but they don't ever talking about how to or being in a relationship with God. they just get scripture and pull a lesson from it on how to LIVE as a christian and obedience. This is good to a point but they never talk about him personally with us.
 
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If a person really was an Apostle or prophet, he would be too humble to say, "I am an Apostle," or, "I am a prophet." You would recognize him by his deeds, not his boasting.
 

presidente

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I met this preacher once who was a regional coordinator for a certain denomination. It was a Pentecostal denomination I was familiar with. When my wife and I met him, my wife asked how people normally addressed him. Let's pretend his name was Joe, but that wasn't it. I'll substitute that for his real name. He said, "You can call me Apostle Joe." I thought he was joking. It took me a second to realize that he was serious. It was really odd for that denomination, I though.

I don't mind people gifted as apostles pointing out that they are apostles. Paul did that. If someone plants churches, wins souls, does miracles, and has solid doctrine, and says the Lord sent him, the idea doesn't seem that far-fetched to me.
 

presidente

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If a person really was an Apostle or prophet, he would be too humble to say, "I am an Apostle," or, "I am a prophet." You would recognize him by his deeds, not his boasting.
This is an unbiblical bit of reasoning. You would disqualify Paul by your statements.

If someone is truly humble, he can recognize what God recognizes about him. Jesus could say, "I am meek and lowly in heart" and also say, "No man comes to the Father, but by Me." How could He say something so bold and still be humble. Because it is true. That's why.

If God says one thing, and you say the opposite, isn't that opposing God? If God has called someone to be an apostle or prophet, but that person denies it for fear of what other people would think, that's not humility. It may even be a bit of rebellion. Denying what is true about yourself for fear of being perceived as not humble is not humility. It's false humility.
 
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Share55

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I recall years back I was at a church service (I don't belong to any in particular) but they had visitors in from another community. I often attended church with my mom and like me it wasn't the church you belonged to but God.
Anyway this man got up to the front and said that He had come on a mission from God that someone in the congregation was to have a blessing because of their work with the young people. We all sat there and he said that the person should feel an urging to go forward and I thought 'Me!'. The only young children I was ever involved with were mine and their friends so stayed frequently :) Just then another young woman went up to the front and he mistakenly stopped her and she tried to explain she was chasing her toddler who was running free up on the stage behind him.
I never did go up and afterwards I felt a kind of despair in my spirit.
The point I am getting at is that as Elijah threw his mantle on Elisha so do others for those chosen to do for God in SOME cases while others are sent on a mission and are known by their fruit such as the man who was not one of Jesus apostles but healed in His name. Jesus told the apostles to leave Him be because He was giving God the glory.
As far as being humble to call yourself such then what does one say as people always ask?
 
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DragonSlayer

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This is an unbiblical bit of reasoning. You would disqualify Paul by your statements.

If someone is truly humble, he can recognize what God recognizes about him. Jesus could say, "I am meek and lowly in heart" and also say, "No man comes to the Father, but by Me." How could He say something so bold and still be humble. Because it is true. That's why.

If God says one thing, and you say the opposite, isn't that opposing God? If God has called someone to be an apostle or prophet, but that person denies it for fear of what other people would think, that's not humility. It may even be a bit of rebellion. Denying what is true about yourself for fear of being perceived as not humble is not humility. It's false humility.
I disagree. Equating the humble explanation of Paul about his undeniable Lord-given vocation of Apostle with the utterly disgusting boasting of self-proclaimed false apostles and prophets is utterly wrong at the Light of Scriptures.
Remember, Jesus said :
" Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. "
Matthew 10:16 ( KJV )

So just because someone self-proclaims he's a prophet or an apostle you should believe him ?

The Lord never told us to do so; in fact He told us the absolute opposite, and it's absolutely right to condemn any utterly disgusting self-proclaimed false prophet or apostle !

 
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DragonSlayer

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I met this preacher once who was a regional coordinator for a certain denomination. It was a Pentecostal denomination I was familiar with. When my wife and I met him, my wife asked how people normally addressed him. Let's pretend his name was Joe, but that wasn't it. I'll substitute that for his real name. He said, "You can call me Apostle Joe." I thought he was joking. It took me a second to realize that he was serious. It was really odd for that denomination, I though.

I don't mind people gifted as apostles pointing out that they are apostles. Paul did that. If someone plants churches, wins souls, does miracles, and has solid doctrine, and says the Lord sent him, the idea doesn't seem that far-fetched to me.
Your first impression was right ! he was joking badly for he made a bad joke of the Lord's Word. It's written : " Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. "
1 John 4:1 ( KJV )

So what ? That person you met for the first time expected you to believe right away he is an apostle without you testing him first ?
Besides, nowhere in the Scriptures it's written Jesus would have boasted around claiming He is the Messiah. In fact He was very humble about it. Plus, nowhere in the Scriptures any apostle told the other disciples to call them " apostle + their name " Ridiculous !

This is a false man made tradition based on self-pride
and the spirit of error, lies, and deception !

That so called " apostle " you met is not filled with the Spirit of Truth, but he is filled with the spirit of error and he is full of lies and deception; that man is a false apostle and is a ravening wolf in sheep's clothing who comes only to steal, kill, and destroy.

You have been warned.
Stay away from that ravening wolf in sheep's clothing, you, your wife and all your family and friends.

The Lord protects you.