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I just wondered if anyone else saw the correlations between QiGong, Kundalini and other mystical practices and the study of electromagnetic fields in and around the human body?

To me it seems more of a science then a religion, meditation is kind of like martial arts training for the mind and electromagnetic body versus something that should be worship or feared.

Its like curing people with a bottle of Tylenol and allowing people to worship you for it. I was wondering if anyone else saw the similarities?

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19810017132_1981017132.pdf

:) see NASA doesn't use humans but machines to generate the electromagnetic stimulus but our cells generate a very small amount on their own, especially nerve cells and if you can train your muscles to perform better under concious control then why not also train your nerve cells to generate energy?

It might seem to be in the realm of science fiction right now but that is were most things start sometimes. Either way it gives you something to think about if you are interested in Science and Religion. now don't go off worshiping idols or demons, martial arts does not require you to worship your body and neither does true study of what I'm referring to which is meditation or training of the MIND to focus and I would suggest meditating on the Words of the BIBLE and trying to understand their meaning for your life.

I think some religions like to use advance knowledge of the natural world and psychology and call it "miracles" when its just the way God set things up to be.

To a country that did not understand modern aviation then airplanes would be magical flying birds and the pilots "Gods from the sky" but most of the world knows about planes, what they don't really know about is human electromagnetic fields and their healing capacities. :)

"Ac cording to one such theory, propos ed by Frohl i ch, the sur f a c e
cha rge s on a c e l l membrane a r e a l l cohe r ent . Fur the r , they may a l so
be cohe r ent wi th sur f a c e cha rge s on the membranes of othe r c e l l s .
Al l of the s e cha rge s , cons ide r ed col l e c t ive ly, can os c i l l a t e be twe en
a t l e a s t two di f f e r ent s t a t e s . Based on quantum me chani c a l formul a s ,
Frohl i ch has e s t ima t ed the na tur a l f r equency of os c i l l a t ion. I t i s
in the band 50-3,000 GHz.
Frohl ich sugge s t s hi s theory may l e ad to a be t t e r unde r s t anding
of c anc e r . The ene rgy r equi r ed to sus t a in the os c i l l a t ions comes
from wi thin the c e l l s . The ene rgy dr a in inhibi t s c e l l r eproduc t ion.
I f the os c i l l a t ions c e a s e , then the c e l l divide s wi thout bound,
ul t ima t e ly r e sul t ing in c anc e r . Thi s impl i e s tha t e l e c t romagne t i c
waves in the 50-3,000 GHz band might promot e or be us ed to inhibi t
the di s e a s e .
Ac cording to anothe r theory, cha rge s and cur r ent s in the br a in and
c ent r a l ne rvous sys t em a r e a l so cohe r ent . They a r e , the r e for e , s ens i -
t ive to ve ry low l eve l ext e rna l f i e lds . "
 
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AnandaHya said:
I just wondered if anyone else saw the correlations between QiGong, Kundalini and other mystical practices and the study of electromagnetic fields in and around the human body?

To me it seems more of a science then a religion, meditation is kind of like martial arts training for the mind and electromagnetic body versus something that should be worship or feared.

Its like curing people with a bottle of Tylenol and allowing people to worship you for it. I was wondering if anyone else saw the similarities?

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19810017132_1981017132.pdf

:) see NASA doesn't use humans but machines to generate the electromagnetic stimulus but our cells generate a very small amount on their own, especially nerve cells and if you can train your muscles to perform better under concious control then why not also train your nerve cells to generate energy?

It might seem to be in the realm of science fiction right now but that is were most things start sometimes. Either way it gives you something to think about if you are interested in Science and Religion. now don't go off worshiping idols or demons, martial arts does not require you to worship your body and neither does true study of what I'm referring to which is meditation or training of the MIND to focus and I would suggest meditating on the Words of the BIBLE and trying to understand their meaning for your life.

I think some religions like to use advance knowledge of the natural world and psychology and call it "miracles" when its just the way God set things up to be.

To a country that did not understand modern aviation then airplanes would be magical flying birds and the pilots "Gods from the sky" but most of the world knows about planes, what they don't really know about is human electromagnetic fields and their healing capacities. :)

"Ac cording to one such theory, propos ed by Frohl i ch, the sur f a c e
cha rge s on a c e l l membrane a r e a l l cohe r ent . Fur the r , they may a l so
be cohe r ent wi th sur f a c e cha rge s on the membranes of othe r c e l l s .
Al l of the s e cha rge s , cons ide r ed col l e c t ive ly, can os c i l l a t e be twe en
a t l e a s t two di f f e r ent s t a t e s . Based on quantum me chani c a l formul a s ,
Frohl i ch has e s t ima t ed the na tur a l f r equency of os c i l l a t ion. I t i s
in the band 50-3,000 GHz.
Frohl ich sugge s t s hi s theory may l e ad to a be t t e r unde r s t anding
of c anc e r . The ene rgy r equi r ed to sus t a in the os c i l l a t ions comes
from wi thin the c e l l s . The ene rgy dr a in inhibi t s c e l l r eproduc t ion.
I f the os c i l l a t ions c e a s e , then the c e l l divide s wi thout bound,
ul t ima t e ly r e sul t ing in c anc e r . Thi s impl i e s tha t e l e c t romagne t i c
waves in the 50-3,000 GHz band might promot e or be us ed to inhibi t
the di s e a s e .
Ac cording to anothe r theory, cha rge s and cur r ent s in the br a in and
c ent r a l ne rvous sys t em a r e a l so cohe r ent . They a r e , the r e for e , s ens i -
t ive to ve ry low l eve l ext e rna l f i e lds . "
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Kundalini spirits in the church?


Andrew Strom has re-ignited concerns which have surfaced periodically since the time of the Toronto Blessing in 1994. The outspoken New Zealand preacher has written a book entitled 'Kundalini Warning' which suggests that false spirits are invading the church.


Ed. Foreward



I researched the New Age Movement (and its associated eastern spiritualities) back in the late 80s/early 90s and spoke, (by invitation at that time) to many church groups on the subject.

Awakening the Kundalini is the expression used by mystics, Hindu gurus and New Agers for the practice of focussing on a 'serpent spirit' which, they say, resides in each one of us in the form of a coiled snake located at the base of the spine. Through meditation and physical body positioning the aim is to 'raise the Kundalini' through a total of seven spiritual waypoints – called 'Chakras' – located along the spine.

The aim is to elevate the Kundalini spirit to the 'Crown Chakra' which is located at the top of the skull. Those who have gone through this process have described it as 'mind-blowing'.

I threw the 'best' book I had on the subject into the waste bucket as I didn't want it in my home, and I wouldn't want to quote from it in this article anyway.

The practice, which is spiritually dangerous in the extreme, is often linked with Yoga-like exercises associated with eastern meditation and mysticism.Chanting and essentially self-hypnotic routines can be a 'way in'.

Andrew Strom believes that these phenomena – stretching back to the Toronto Blessing – represent the 'worst invasion [of deceiving spirits] in church history' and, in his concern, goes as far as controversaly 'naming names'. It is up to the reader to exercise his/her own discernment on all that is contained in the following.

http://www.christianstogether.net/Articles/209364/Christians_Together_in/Christian_Life/Kundalini_spirits_in.aspx


 
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yes and if you bothered to get past your preconceived notions research electromagnetic fields and how Western MEDICINE is researching the use of electricity to improve nervous system repairs and then reread my statement and THINK for a minute when I tell you.

I think some of the mystics are playing a slight of hand, using advance SCIENTIFIC knowledge of the body and its ELECTROMAGNETIC properties and referring to it as "chi" and other "religious" terminology.

try for a minute to SEPARATE the LIES from the Truth and not paint everything with a Tar brush and toss the baby out with the bath water.

Here are some random science facts you might not know:

Fact: Human Heat

The average human emits approximately 95 watts of energy as heat in the form of infrared light. A standard 100 watt incandescent light bulb emits only about 5% of its energy as visible light, the rest is given off as heat in the form of infrared light. This means the average human produces the same amount of heat as a 100 watt light bulb.

Fact: Human Cells

Between 50 billion and 70 billion cells die each day due to apoptosis(a genetically determined process of cell self-destruction) in the average human adult. In a year, this amounts to the proliferation and subsequent destruction of a mass of cells equal to an individual's body weight

now think Carefully now and LISTEN to my words:

You heard of martial arts right and how it affects the human body? QiGong affects the MIND and the unseen Spiritual body that can be detected using infrared technology, MRI machines, etc.

Again Science NOT mysticism.

as for you above article. that is easy:

demons using their advance scientific knowledge to deceive the world and mislead people. its not a miracle, its just using the tools God already has in place that people in the West don't understand due to ignorance.

come on now you are told to invite a Serpent to enter and control your body? inviting demons to possess you.

Common sense should tell people NOT to listen to that one even if they don't hear the HOLY SPIRIT screaming for them to turn away.
 
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In case you and those who didn't know what chanting and Mantras are, they are PRAYERS to false deities.

I'm talking about this: Alternative MEDICINE NOT mysticism.

My family has Chinese roots we can tell you are being lied to by these mystics who claim "supernatural powers".

Its like giving someone a tylenol and saying that "I magically cured your headache, worship me" Chi is natural and everyone has it, just not everyone understands or knows how to control it. just like everyone has a body but not everyone knows martial arts.

Acupuncture [NCCAM Health Information]

"The term "acupuncture" describes a family of procedures involving the stimulation of anatomical points on the body using a variety of techniques. The acupuncture technique that has been most often studied scientifically involves penetrating the skin with thin, solid, metallic needles that are manipulated by the hands or by electrical stimulation.

Practiced in China and other Asian countries for thousands of years, acupuncture is one of the key components of traditional Chinese medicine. In TCM, the body is seen as a delicate balance of two opposing and inseparable forces: yin and yang. Yin represents the cold, slow, or passive principle, while yang represents the hot, excited, or active principle. According to TCM, health is achieved by maintaining the body in a "balanced state"; disease is due to an internal imbalance of yin and yang. This imbalance leads to blockage in the flow of qi (vital energy) along pathways known as meridians. Qi can be unblocked, according to TCM, by using acupuncture at certain points on the body that connect with these meridians. Sources vary on the number of meridians, with numbers ranging from 14 to 20. One commonly cited source describes meridians as 14 main channels "connecting the body in a weblike interconnecting matrix" of at least 2,000 acupuncture points.

Acupuncture became better known in the United States in 1971, when New York Times reporter James Reston wrote about how doctors in China used needles to ease his pain after surgery. American practices of acupuncture incorporate medical traditions from China, Japan, Korea, and other countries."

"Traditional Chinese medicine (TCM) originated in ancient China and has evolved over thousands of years. TCM practitioners use herbs, acupuncture, and other methods to treat a wide range of conditions. In the United States, TCM is considered part of complementary and alternative medicine (CAM). This fact sheet provides a general overview of TCM and suggests sources for additional information.

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Key Points
Herbal remedies and acupuncture are the treatments most commonly used by TCM practitioners. Other TCM practices include moxibustion, cupping, massage, mind-body therapy, and dietary therapy.
The TCM view of how the human body works, what causes illness, and how to treat illness is different from Western medicine concepts. Although TCM is used by the American public, scientific evidence of its effectiveness is, for the most part, limited. Acupuncture has the largest body of evidence and is considered safe if practiced correctly. Some Chinese herbal remedies may be safe, but others may not be.
TCM is typically delivered by a practitioner. Before using TCM, ask about the practitioner's qualifications, including training and licensure.
Tell all your health care providers about any complementary and alternative practices you use. Give them a full picture of what you do to manage your health. This will help ensure coordinated and safe care."
 
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Chi Gong as a form of exercise has been in continuous practice from the beginning of the Zhou Dynasty (1028 - 221 B.C.E.), to the present day. In China, Chi Gong has been used therapeutically in modern hospitals and sanatoriums since 1955 and in 1956 Chi Gong was introduced as part of the regular curriculum at the four top Colleges of Traditional Chinese Medicine.

Research studies have been conducted at the Shanghai, Beijing, Chengdu and Guangzhou Colleges of Traditional Chinese Medicine. In 1986 the China Research Society for Chi Gong Science was founded to oversee research protocols at the colleges and universities. Chi Gong research has also been conducted by colleges and scientific institutions in Japan, Korea, Europe and America. This is a sampling of some of the findings of that research.

Cardiovascular
Lowers resting heart rate, less abnormal EKG, greater cardiac efficiency, stabilized blood pressure, less LDL (“bad”) cholesterol, more HDL (“good”) cholesterol.

Circulation
Improves microcirculation, peripheral circulation, prevents vascular spasm, very helpful in Raynaud’s syndrome, angina, migraine.

Digestive
Improves peristalsis and digestive absorption, fewer pathogenic digestive bacteria (candida), positive effects on ulcers and constipation.

Brain
increases slow, high amplitude brain waves, improves cerebral blood flow, less incidences of stroke, helpful for paralysis and seizure disorders.

Mental Health
Decreases in; stress response, Type A behavior, anxiety, obsessive compulsive disorder. Improvements in memory, concentration, interpersonal sensitivity.

Respiratory
Slower respiratory rate, improved gaseous exchange, significant positive effects on asthma and bronchitis.

Immune System
greater count and more active T cells, better targeting of antigens, deactivates harmful free radicals causing significant anti cancer effect.

Musculo-skeletal
Increases strength, flexibility and bone density, improves coordination, beneficial for arthritis and osteoporosis.

Longevity
Improvements in blood pressure, vital capacity, cholesterol and hormone levels, kidney functions, mental acuity, vision, hearing, skin elasticity, bone density, immune function, physical strength, libido all move one toward a longer, healthier life span. Research in China shows that daily Chi Gong practiced by geriatric persons significantly increases life span and quality of life.
 
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wow lets look at this lie real quick and take the teeth out of it by identifying the LIES and the kernel of truth mixed in to explain WHY people swallow it.

The Kingdom “Within”

One common theme is that the kingdom of God is inside the individual. Agnes Sanford was an early pioneer in bringing mysticism to twentieth century evangelicals. Her book “The Healing Light” was originally published in 1947. In it she said this about the kingdom of God: “‘The kingdom of God is within you,’ said Jesus. And it is the indwelling light, the secret place of the consciousness of the Most High that is the kingdom of Heaven in its present manifestation on this earth.”5 Sanford believed there were laws we needed to learn to “turn on” so that we could release God’s power and work miracles. “Learning to live in the kingdom of Heaven,” she goes on, “is learning to turn on the light of God within.”6 Since she does not explain the gospel in Biblical terms, one is left with the impression that what she calls the divine “force” is within each person to be tapped into if they only knew the laws that govern that force.7

http://cicministry.org/commentary/issue83.htm

1. truth: chi exist and they call it "the indwelling light" it is part of you like your hand or your leg, would you worship them? God gave it to you like blood which carries your oxygen to your cells, do you worship YOUR BLOOD?

If chi is your Spiritual Energy, then should you worship YOURSELF or should you worship THE HOLY SPIRIT???

2. LIE: WE do not "unlock" "turn on" or "release" God's power. GOD USES US, if WE have control over it then either it is of BODY that God gave us or of a darker source from the Enemy, but the Enemy is King of Lies and illusions. Satan claims to have power but LIES.

See the bait and switch?

Chi exist but it is of the FLESH, and when you are BORN AGAIN of BOTH WATER AND SPIRIT, over half of your physical body is made of Water and your spiritual body is made of Chi and God replaces our corruptness with His HOLINESS. We are to be GUIDED by the HOLY SPIRIT not trying to control the SPIRIT within us. IF that is possible then the SPIRIT inside the person is NOT GOD.

mmmm.....
 
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AnandaHya said:
yes and if you bothered to get past your preconceived notions research electromagnetic fields and how Western MEDICINE is researching the use of electricity to improve nervous system repairs and then reread my statement and THINK for a minute when I tell you.

I think some of the mystics are playing a slight of hand, using advance SCIENTIFIC knowledge of the body and its ELECTROMAGNETIC properties and referring to it as "chi" and other "religious" terminology.

try for a minute to SEPARATE the LIES from the Truth and not paint everything with a Tar brush and toss the baby out with the bath water.

Here are some random science facts you might not know:

Fact: Human Heat

The average human emits approximately 95 watts of energy as heat in the form of infrared light. A standard 100 watt incandescent light bulb emits only about 5% of its energy as visible light, the rest is given off as heat in the form of infrared light. This means the average human produces the same amount of heat as a 100 watt light bulb.

Fact: Human Cells

Between 50 billion and 70 billion cells die each day due to apoptosis(a genetically determined process of cell self-destruction) in the average human adult. In a year, this amounts to the proliferation and subsequent destruction of a mass of cells equal to an individual's body weight

now think Carefully now and LISTEN to my words:

You heard of martial arts right and how it affects the human body? QiGong affects the MIND and the unseen Spiritual body that can be detected using infrared technology, MRI machines, etc.

Again Science NOT mysticism.

as for you above article. that is easy:

demons using their advance scientific knowledge to deceive the world and mislead people. its not a miracle, its just using the tools God already has in place that people in the West don't understand due to ignorance.

come on now you are told to invite a Serpent to enter and control your body? inviting demons to possess you.

Common sense should tell people NOT to listen to that one even if they don't hear the HOLY SPIRIT screaming for them to turn away.
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this is a far cry from one who talked endlessly of alligater and monkey demons surrounding everybody.

don't care about what "SCIENCE" or "MEDICINE" is doing.

go look at the wreckage of lives from people who get involved in these practices (or not). do as you like. you're playing with strange fire.
 
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AnandaHya said:
In case you and those who didn't know what chanting and Mantras are, they are PRAYERS to false deities.

I'm talking about this: Alternative MEDICINE NOT mysticism.

My family has Chinese roots we can tell you are being lied to by these mystics who claim "supernatural powers".

Its like giving someone a tylenol and saying that "I magically cured your headache, worship me" Chi is natural and everyone has it, just not everyone understands or knows how to control it. just like everyone has a body but not everyone knows martial arts.

Acupuncture [NCCAM Health Information]

"The term "acupuncture" describes a family of procedures involving the stimulation of anatomical points on the body using a variety of techniques. The acupuncture technique that has been most often studied scientifically involves penetrating the skin with thin, solid, metallic needles that are manipulated by the hands or by electrical stimulation.

Practiced in China and other Asian countries for thousands of years, acupuncture is one of the key components of traditional Chinese medicine. In TCM, the body is seen as a delicate balance of two opposing and inseparable forces: yin and yang. Yin represents the cold, slow, or passive principle, while yang represents the hot, excited, or active principle. According to TCM, health is achieved by maintaining the body in a "balanced state"; disease is due to an internal imbalance of yin and yang. This imbalance leads to blockage in the flow of qi (vital energy) along pathways known as meridians. Qi can be unblocked, according to TCM, by using acupuncture at certain points on the body that connect with these meridians. Sources vary on the number of meridians, with numbers ranging from 14 to 20. One commonly cited source describes meridians as 14 main channels "connecting the body in a weblike interconnecting matrix" of at least 2,000 acupuncture points.

Acupuncture became better known in the United States in 1971, when New York Times reporter James Reston wrote about how doctors in China used needles to ease his pain after surgery. American practices of acupuncture incorporate medical traditions from China, Japan, Korea, and other countries."

"Traditional Chinese medicine (TCM) originated in ancient China and has evolved over thousands of years. TCM practitioners use herbs, acupuncture, and other methods to treat a wide range of conditions. In the United States, TCM is considered part of complementary and alternative medicine (CAM). This fact sheet provides a general overview of TCM and suggests sources for additional information.

Top

Key Points
Herbal remedies and acupuncture are the treatments most commonly used by TCM practitioners. Other TCM practices include moxibustion, cupping, massage, mind-body therapy, and dietary therapy.
The TCM view of how the human body works, what causes illness, and how to treat illness is different from Western medicine concepts. Although TCM is used by the American public, scientific evidence of its effectiveness is, for the most part, limited. Acupuncture has the largest body of evidence and is considered safe if practiced correctly. Some Chinese herbal remedies may be safe, but others may not be.
TCM is typically delivered by a practitioner. Before using TCM, ask about the practitioner's qualifications, including training and licensure.
Tell all your health care providers about any complementary and alternative practices you use. Give them a full picture of what you do to manage your health. This will help ensure coordinated and safe care."
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why don't you look into what CHRISTIANS say about these practices: not what those who ARE NOT say.

if you want to play around with that stuff, i know EXACTLY where it's leading. i warned you before ananda, you'll have only yourself to blame for what happens.:

Contemplative Prayer

Seducing Spirits and a Doctrine of Devils

 
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zone said:
this is a far cry from one who talked endlessly of alligater and monkey demons surrounding everybody.

no that's just you, and I can see that metaphors are lost on you

don't care about what "SCIENCE" or "MEDICINE" is doing.
Quite obviously, unless of course they are implanting devices in tattoos?

go look at the wreckage of lives from people who get involved in these practices (or not). do as you like. you're playing with strange fire.
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Acupuncture patients, martial arts practitioners hmmm lets look at it.....

Women's Health

I met Laurie a few years ago as a Nurse Practitioner. For two years I had suffered from chronic problems with a Bartholin cyst. Prior to knowing Laurie, the cyst was simply drained whenever it became enlarged. Of course I had been advised to have it surgically removed, but my leaning was away from the knife.

I made an acupuncture appointment with Laurie, and she went to work on treating the cyst with acupuncture and herbal medicine. By the following week, my cyst was almost undetectable, shrinking down to about the size of a pea. Laurie had achieved something just short of miraculous. She followed up with three more treatments and the cyst has not been a problem since. I strongly encourage women with female health issues to visit Laurie and experience her professionalism, her expertise and her dedication to nurturing and healing women.

H.D.
Continuing Patient
Culver city

Sciatica
To Whom It May Concern,
I had been suffering from sciatica for about 6 or 7 years. I would get numbness in my right thigh, and excruciating pain down my right leg when standing straight up, or walking for any period of time. I had gone to several doctors and they all said the same thing: yes, you have a pinched nerve, and no, there’s nothing we can do for you. Finally somebody recommended that I get acupuncture treatment. He recommended his acupuncturist, Laurie Binder. I was skeptical of nontraditional medicine (I still am). But I was at the end of my rope: the pain was getting worse. I went to see Laurie and now I’m a believer. My pain was gone after several sessions, and the numbness went away almost completely. I never even think about my sciatica any more. And this after I had resigned to live with it the rest of my life. Thanks Laurie.

Sincerely,

Matt B.
Santa Monica




http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lI-BKbS0v8E

scary stuff...
 
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AnandaHya said:
wow lets look at this lie real quick and take the teeth out of it by identifying the LIES and the kernel of truth mixed in to explain WHY people swallow it.

The Kingdom “Within”

One common theme is that the kingdom of God is inside the individual. Agnes Sanford was an early pioneer in bringing mysticism to twentieth century evangelicals. Her book “The Healing Light” was originally published in 1947. In it she said this about the kingdom of God: “‘The kingdom of God is within you,’ said Jesus. And it is the indwelling light, the secret place of the consciousness of the Most High that is the kingdom of Heaven in its present manifestation on this earth.”5 Sanford believed there were laws we needed to learn to “turn on” so that we could release God’s power and work miracles. “Learning to live in the kingdom of Heaven,” she goes on, “is learning to turn on the light of God within.”6 Since she does not explain the gospel in Biblical terms, one is left with the impression that what she calls the divine “force” is within each person to be tapped into if they only knew the laws that govern that force.7

Critical Issues Commentary: Contemporary Christian Divination

1. truth: chi exist and they call it "the indwelling light" it is part of you like your hand or your leg, would you worship them? God gave it to you like blood which carries your oxygen to your cells, do you worship YOUR BLOOD?

If chi is your Spiritual Energy, then should you worship YOURSELF or should you worship THE HOLY SPIRIT???

2. LIE: WE do not "unlock" "turn on" or "release" God's power. GOD USES US, if WE have control over it then either it is of BODY that God gave us or of a darker source from the Enemy, but the Enemy is King of Lies and illusions. Satan claims to have power but LIES.

See the bait and switch?

Chi exist but it is of the FLESH, and when you are BORN AGAIN of BOTH WATER AND SPIRIT, over half of your physical body is made of Water and your spiritual body is made of Chi and God replaces our corruptness with His HOLINESS. We are to be GUIDED by the HOLY SPIRIT not trying to control the SPIRIT within us. IF that is possible then the SPIRIT inside the person is NOT GOD.

mmmm.....
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THE LIE:

“‘The kingdom of God is within you,’ said Jesus.


THE TRUTH:

Luke 17:21
nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or ‘There!’ for behold, the kingdom of God is in the midst of you.”

the context of this is Jesus Christ among (in the midst of) the unbelieving jews and Pharisees specifically: HE HIMSELF BEING THE KING, HAVING COME TO INAUGURATE THE KINGDOM (which wasn't and still isn't of this world).

the Kingdom of God is NOT WITHIN WICKED UNSAVED MAN: it is (if we can even say it that way) within the redeemed believer through the Holy Spirit (which is true, but not related to Christ's remark to the Pharisees).
 
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zone said:
why don't you look into what CHRISTIANS say about these practices: not what those who ARE NOT say.

if you want to play around with that stuff, i know EXACTLY where it's leading. i warned you before ananda, you'll have only yourself to blame for what happens.:

Contemplative Prayer

Seducing Spirits and a Doctrine of Devils

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Since you are so against eastern MEDICINE then they should do to WESTERN Doctors either?

"Universal Gnostic Church provides some insight through their guidelines for “Working With Your Spirit Guides”:"

seriously who would not spot that as FALSE from a mile away??
 
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AnandaHya said:
Acupuncture patients, martial arts practitioners hmmm lets look at it.....

Women's Health

I met Laurie a few years ago as a Nurse Practitioner. For two years I had suffered from chronic problems with a Bartholin cyst. Prior to knowing Laurie, the cyst was simply drained whenever it became enlarged. Of course I had been advised to have it surgically removed, but my leaning was away from the knife.

I made an acupuncture appointment with Laurie, and she went to work on treating the cyst with acupuncture and herbal medicine. By the following week, my cyst was almost undetectable, shrinking down to about the size of a pea. Laurie had achieved something just short of miraculous. She followed up with three more treatments and the cyst has not been a problem since. I strongly encourage women with female health issues to visit Laurie and experience her professionalism, her expertise and her dedication to nurturing and healing women.

H.D.
Continuing Patient
Culver city

Sciatica
To Whom It May Concern,
I had been suffering from sciatica for about 6 or 7 years. I would get numbness in my right thigh, and excruciating pain down my right leg when standing straight up, or walking for any period of time. I had gone to several doctors and they all said the same thing: yes, you have a pinched nerve, and no, there’s nothing we can do for you. Finally somebody recommended that I get acupuncture treatment. He recommended his acupuncturist, Laurie Binder. I was skeptical of nontraditional medicine (I still am). But I was at the end of my rope: the pain was getting worse. I went to see Laurie and now I’m a believer. My pain was gone after several sessions, and the numbness went away almost completely. I never even think about my sciatica any more. And this after I had resigned to live with it the rest of my life. Thanks Laurie.

Sincerely,

Matt B.
Santa Monica




http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=lI-BKbS0v8E

scary stuff...
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you do as you please.
be extremely careful recommending that PATH to any christian (or anyone seeking something "spiritual")....

but hey! "testimonials" are always proof that something is good, right?

(The Chakra Session) "One of the most amazing experiences of my entire life. Rishi is truly a master at what he does." - EI

"My experience of the Chakra model has been truly transformative and revelatory. My life and how I see my life has changed to a more positive and empowering light. Thank you." - EN

"When I took my first class, I had no idea what a chakra was. Learning about the chakras and using them each week as tool for personal healing launched me on my path. It was the most profound healing in eight weeks I've ever experienced. There is a special bond created with everyone in the class. It slowly evolved onto group therapy, only better." - RM

"The Reiki I and II classes I took with Rishi set me on a path of healing touch, breath and mindfulness that continues to change my life on a daily basis. I cannot over-emphasize what a huge impact my experiences in those courses continues to have on me and those around me." - CT

http://www.anenergypath.org/chakra-coursework-testimonials.html
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AnandaHya

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do you even know what you are talking about? you lump all of Eastern medicine into your narrow box and refuse to listen to anything else.

Let me try some Western medical journals and see if it helps....
Its about nervous system research, but forget it if its not a conspiracy you don't really care....


the journal of bioelectromagnetic medicine

http://www.alleviahealth.com/PDF/Kirsch and Smith (2004).pdf

Bioelectromagnetic Medicine
Edited by: Paul J. Rosch, M.D. The American Institute of Stress, Yonkers, New York, U.S.A., and New York
Medical College, Valhalla, New York, U.S.A.
and Marko S. Markov, Ph.D. Research International, Buffalo, New York, U.S.A.
Published: April, 2004 by Marcel Dekker, Inc., New York
ISBN: 0-8247-4700-3; 850 pages; $195.00

Over the last two decades, progress in MRI, PET, SQUID, and other sophisticated imaging techniques have
revolutionized medical diagnosis. Similar advances in bioelectromagnetic therapy now promise to replace
drugs and surgery for many disorders. The sudden surge of interest in this rapidly emerging modality has
produced a plethora of spurious products making worthless claims that make it difficult to distinguish
between true and false claims of efficacy. Bioelectromagnetic Medicine provides the tools and skills to
make such evaluations and distinctions by:
š thoroughly explaining the biologic effects of magnetic and electromagnetic fields and the importance
of dosimetry in determining clinical efficacy and safety
š presenting examples of cutting edge breakthroughs supported not only by rigid clinical trials but also
by solid basic science research
š tracing the origin and evolution of transcutaneous electrical nerve stimulation (TENS), cranial
electrotherapy stimulation (CES), vagal nerve stimulation, (VNS), repetitive transcranial magnetic
stimulation (rTMS) and other proven therapies by pioneers and authorities responsible for their
discovery and development
š identifying promising new approaches based on research advances in the U.S., Europe, Eastern
Europe, Russia, and Pacific Rim countries
 
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zone

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AnandaHya said:
do you even know what you are talking about?

you lump all of Eastern medicine into your narrow box and refuse to listen to anything else.

Let me try some Western medical journals and see if it helps....
Its about nervous system research, but forget it if its not a conspiracy you don't really care....
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you have openly expressed interest and engagement in (among others):

KUNDALINI

Kundalini (kuṇḍalinī, Sanskrit: कुण्डलिनी) literally means coiled. In yoga, a "corporeal energy"[1] - an unconscious, instinctive or libidinal force or Shakti, lies coiled at the base of the spine.[2][3][4] It is envisioned either as a goddess or else as a sleeping serpent, hence a number of English renderings of the term such as 'serpent power'. The kundalini resides in the sacrum bone in three and a half coils and has been described as a residual power of pure desire.[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kundalini

which probably explains your interaction with the demonic realm.

carry on.
 
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zeroturbulence

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I haven't read all the stuff in here but I at least believe in the magnetic field manipulation/therapy for healing the body. My mom used was in a bad car accident and her knee gave her a lot of pain and she got these magnets which she said really worked in helping alleviate her pain. Our blood has a lot of iron in it so magnets and even the pull of the moon's gravity have an affect on our bodies, just like the moon affects the tides in the ocean.

I don't really know what to make of the kundalini stuff, but I have read a pastor's words about how he used to be deeply involved in that new age/meditation/yoga stuff before he became a pastor and he met another pastor who had also been involved with it and he said that when he told him he'd been involved, the other pastor got a very worried look on his face. He then explained how he too did not think anything was wrong with that stuff until he got spiritually cleansed at some sort of cleansing event where they pray over you and basically command any demons out of you just like the apostles did in the bible. Well he said he had all of these demons come out of him that he didn't know about and they all entered him when he was into that stuff. The pastor then suggested he too get cleansed and he did and he said it was like he was a new person after that. Everything seemed brighter and he seemed lighter and more alive. So, I for one will err on the side of safety and not get into that stuff until maybe it is proven to be scientifically sound.
 
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zone said:
you have openly expressed interest and engagement in (among others):

KUNDALINI

Kundalini (kuṇḍalinī, Sanskrit: कुण्डलिनी) literally means coiled. In yoga, a "corporeal energy"[1] - an unconscious, instinctive or libidinal force or Shakti, lies coiled at the base of the spine.[2][3][4] It is envisioned either as a goddess or else as a sleeping serpent, hence a number of English renderings of the term such as 'serpent power'. The kundalini resides in the sacrum bone in three and a half coils and has been described as a residual power of pure desire.[5]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kundalini

which probably explains your interaction with the demonic realm.

carry on.
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there you go lumping it again.

Shakti is the name of a Hindu goddess and I'm not stupid enough to ignorantly worship Her or practice Kunalini.

people do it out of IGNORANCE.

and since i don't practice kundalini that has nothing to do with the demons, but if you bothered to learn anything you would know that.

If you bothered to read any of my other post I believe demons are either asked willing into a person's body through willful practice of the occult or a person sees them because they are abused by someone who is demon possessed.

My father tried to kill my little brothers and me when I was 8 which do you think it is?

Again separate EASTERN SCIENCE and MEDICINE from your lies and fake new Age Christian mysticisms.

Take the Mystery out of the "mystic" and you show them to be chartalans and fakes they are, using SCIENCE to get people to worship fake "miracles". using aspirin to cure headaches and getting the foolish and ignorant to worship them.

you wish to remain blind, fearful and ignorant of any knowledge but your own.

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zeroturbulence

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OK so I remember more of what the pastor said to the one who had not yet been cleansed. He said that even though one is not worshipping dieties, or even if they are, the dieties are false so that is not the problem. The problem is that when one goes into that state of mind where you try to connect with or awaken strange energies you are opening up your soul to demons which can come into you without your knowledge.
 
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I do believe in energy, I can see auras. I have been looking into chakra healing and meditation. I looked into Kundalini, but it seems to put you into such a released state of bliss that it would make me feel too vulnerable.

It's all about the mind and perception. Anything you create as your reality will come into being. If you THINK and BELIEVE you are a fairy, in your reality...you will be. Thats all mysticism is, is changing your reality through intention.

The rest...chanting, mantra, rituals, is just for focus really.
 
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zone

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zeroturbulence said:
I haven't read all the stuff in here but I at least believe in the magnetic field manipulation/therapy for healing the body. My mom used was in a bad car accident and her knee gave her a lot of pain and she got these magnets which she said really worked in helping alleviate her pain. Our blood has a lot of iron in it so magnets and even the pull of the moon's gravity have an affect on our bodies, just like the moon affects the tides in the ocean.

I don't really know what to make of the kundalini stuff, but I have read a pastor's words about how he used to be deeply involved in that new age/meditation/yoga stuff before he became a pastor and he met another pastor who had also been involved with it and he said that when he told him he'd been involved, the other pastor got a very worried look on his face. He then explained how he too did not think anything was wrong with that stuff until he got spiritually cleansed at some sort of cleansing event where they pray over you and basically command any demons out of you just like the apostles did in the bible. Well he said he had all of these demons come out of him that he didn't know about and they all entered him when he was into that stuff. The pastor then suggested he too get cleansed and he did and he said it was like he was a new person after that. Everything seemed brighter and he seemed lighter and more alive. So, I for one will err on the side of safety and not get into that stuff until maybe it is proven to be scientifically sound.
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good for you because it isn't "science": its witchcraft, necromancy and God despises it. stay away from it.
people will get what they wish for though....experiences alright.
 
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zone said:
good for you because it isn't "science": its witchcraft, necromancy and God despises it. stay away from it.
people will get what they wish for though....experiences alright.
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Yes I don't like opening myself up or trying to channel energies. Ouija boards are dangerous too. I do believe in the type of meditation we did in martial arts where you think about a still pool of water and try to control your breathing. That was just a relaxation/de-stressing technique which helped us focus in karate class instead of being tense about whatever was bothering us that day.

I also believe in auras and that some can see them, and I believe some people have the gift of prophesy too. Some of the propheseers get their power from the "other side", but some get them from God and the Holy Spirit. I know there are a lot of charlatans too. I never dialed the Psychic Hotline lol. So, thats my take on the "4th dimension" if you will.
 
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