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Redwood

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What is reality?


What does it take to deal with reality?


Reality consists of the things that we observe every day; the things that we can see, touch, hear, smell, taste and spend money on seem to be all that there is.


Is there more to life than those things that are obvious and tangible?
Are there spiritual forces that are at work in the "here and now" that greatly influence our thoughts, our emotions, our words, and our actions; in spite of our failure to notice their presence?


Are there two sets of realities; one set that is readily apparent and one set that is not observable by conventional means?


Ephesians 6:12-13; "For we do not wrestle with flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand."


According to the Bible, there are invisible forces that are out to deceive us and to ultimately destroy us. We have an adversary, but our friend is the Lord if we will seek His assistance.


According to the Bible, the spiritual realm is a part of our present daily reality that has a huge influence on events that occur in the natural realm. Whether we know it or not.

Is this really the way it is?


In this world there are people who seem to do well by dealing exclusively with those things that are obvious and tangible; totally "practical" people with no spirituality whatsoever. As far as our limited time on earth is concerned, they seem to be "fine".


By contrast, there are people who seem to spend their lives on a cloud of mysticism, "too spiritual to be any earthly good." These people seem to somehow "get by" as well, in some cases.


I know that there are people who find balance in life. I know that there are people who are very practical and at the same time very spiritual.


There are people who deal with reality on more than one level. I want to be that kind of a person.
 

Lynx

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One interesting thing about reality is, it exists whether the majority agrees it exists or not. A tree will be a tree even if I'm outvoted on the "is that a tree?" ballot.

Reality is also what a lot of people try to get away from, mostly with alcohol, drugs or abrupt and excessive attempts to change their reality.

There is a spiritual reality, and one could contend it is MORE real than physical reality, as changes in the spiritual realm cause changes in the physical instead of vice-versa. But our spiritual reality is a lot less subject to direct observation. Christians do, from what I can observe, have a low-level spiritual radar that clues them in about things they should know in the spiritual realm, but it is almost always vague impressions. So although spiritual reality can be claimed more real than physical reality, the physical is mostly what we have to work with.

I'm going to go work with my physical reality of a slice of sourdough bread with some Chavrie (tm) cheese on it. :cool:
 

Redwood

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One interesting thing about reality is, it exists whether the majority agrees it exists or not. A tree will be a tree even if I'm outvoted on the "is that a tree?" ballot.

Reality is also what a lot of people try to get away from, mostly with alcohol, drugs or abrupt and excessive attempts to change their reality.

There is a spiritual reality, and one could contend it is MORE real than physical reality, as changes in the spiritual realm cause changes in the physical instead of vice-versa. But our spiritual reality is a lot less subject to direct observation. Christians do, from what I can observe, have a low-level spiritual radar that clues them in about things they should know in the spiritual realm, but it is almost always vague impressions. So although spiritual reality can be claimed more real than physical reality, the physical is mostly what we have to work with.

I'm going to go work with my physical reality of a slice of sourdough bread with some Chavrie (tm) cheese on it. :cool:
Most churches have coffee and something to eat after Sunday service. There is food for soul and spirit during the worship service. Food for the body after the service. Gotta have all types of nourishment.
 

Socreta93

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Funny you can make the case, reality is only what us humans can perceive to be real. There are many things in this world that might exist but we haven't discovered them. Is reality real to us even if we haven't experienced it?
 

maxwel

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Funny you can make the case, reality is only what us humans can perceive to be real. There are many things in this world that might exist but we haven't discovered them. Is reality real to us even if we haven't experienced it?
Did someone actually say that?

If they did then I'm on your team...
but I'm not sure anyone said that.
 
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Reality is like this, our brain interprets things subconsciously, and sometimes we are not seeing reality as it is. (A and B are the same shade of grey)

 

Redwood

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Funny you can make the case, reality is only what us humans can perceive to be real. There are many things in this world that might exist but we haven't discovered them. Is reality real to us even if we haven't experienced it?
Were electrons real before someone figured out how to run them through copper wires and put them to use?
 
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when 'conversion' comes/gifted, it's never about what we conceived/did in our 'carnal' minds/natures,
it becomes all about 'pre-school', in Jesus' School of His Reality, and of course going and growing
from there, leaving all behind, here a little, there a little, as we go along and along...
into what our Heavenly Father has in store for us!?1/?1/?/!

no more 'wally-world - theme-parks - rollercoaster rides- blatant-carnal distractions'...

really, it's all about HIM...
 
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Redwood

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when 'conversion' comes/gifted, it's never about what we conceived/did in our 'carnal' minds/natures,
it becomes all about 'pre-school', in Jesus' School of His Reality, and of course going and growing
from there, leaving all behind, here a little, there a little, as we go along and along...
into what our Heavenly Father has in store for us!?1/?1/?/!

no more 'wally-world - theme-parks - rollercoaster rides- blatant-carnal distractions'...

really, it's all about HIM...
Ultimately, yes it is all about Jesus.

It does not always seem like this is the case in everyday life in the "here and now", though.

You can ignore the realm of spiritual things for weeks, months, years, etc. and still manage to survive. Not so with the natural and obvious things that demand our attention on a daily basis.
 

Lynx

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Were electrons real before someone figured out how to run them through copper wires and put them to use?
Depends. Are you a follower of Schrödinger?

He believed things do not exist until they are observed. Until they are observed, they exist as standing waves of probability that collapse into what we observe as reality when we make the observation.

For illustration he used a (hypothetical) cat in a box. The box also has a vial of poison gas and a release valve with a probability of exactly one half that it will be released during the time the cat is in the box. So when you open the box to observe the cat, the cat will have a 50/50 chance of being alive or dead.

He claimed the cat would be neither alive nor dead until the box was opened. While the box remained closed the cat existed as standing waves of probability. When the box was opened the probability waves would collapse and resolve into the cat being alive or dead.

All of the above I consider perfectly potty. But it is amusing. And it did give rise to a few neat t-shirts. My brother has one that has on the front "Schrödinger's cat is dead" and on the back "Schrödinger's cat is not dead." I also saw a shirt that looked like an Old West wanted poster, "Wanted dead and alive, Schrödinger's cat." (Instead of wanted dead OR alive, get it? Haha.)
 
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Adstar

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Jul 24, 2016
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What is reality?


What does it take to deal with reality?


Reality consists of the things that we observe every day; the things that we can see, touch, hear, smell, taste and spend money on seem to be all that there is.


Is there more to life than those things that are obvious and tangible?
Are there spiritual forces that are at work in the "here and now" that greatly influence our thoughts, our emotions, our words, and our actions; in spite of our failure to notice their presence?


Are there two sets of realities; one set that is readily apparent and one set that is not observable by conventional means?


Ephesians 6:12-13; "For we do not wrestle with flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand."


According to the Bible, there are invisible forces that are out to deceive us and to ultimately destroy us. We have an adversary, but our friend is the Lord if we will seek His assistance.


According to the Bible, the spiritual realm is a part of our present daily reality that has a huge influence on events that occur in the natural realm. Whether we know it or not.

Is this really the way it is?


In this world there are people who seem to do well by dealing exclusively with those things that are obvious and tangible; totally "practical" people with no spirituality whatsoever. As far as our limited time on earth is concerned, they seem to be "fine".


By contrast, there are people who seem to spend their lives on a cloud of mysticism, "too spiritual to be any earthly good." These people seem to somehow "get by" as well, in some cases.


I know that there are people who find balance in life. I know that there are people who are very practical and at the same time very spiritual.


There are people who deal with reality on more than one level. I want to be that kind of a person.
Nothing wrong with your desire.. Good to avoid extremes either one way or the other..
 

Beez

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Well, anyone with a name like Redwood gets my attention immediately. Like, like, like, like, like!!
 

Redwood

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Dec 16, 2017
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Depends. Are you a follower of Schrödinger?

He believed things do not exist until they are observed. Until they are observed, they exist as standing waves of probability that collapse into what we observe as reality when we make the observation.

For illustration he used a (hypothetical) cat in a box. The box also has a vial of poison gas and a release valve with a probability of exactly one half that it will be released during the time the cat is in the box. So when you open the box to observe the cat, the cat will have a 50/50 chance of being alive or dead.

He claimed the cat would be neither alive nor dead until the box was opened. While the box remained closed the cat existed as standing waves of probability. When the box was opened the probability waves would collapse and resolve into the cat being alive or dead.

All of the above I consider perfectly potty. But it is amusing. And it did give rise to a few neat t-shirts. My brother has one that has on the front "Schrödinger's cat is dead" and on the back "Schrödinger's cat is not dead." I also saw a shirt that looked like an Old West wanted poster, "Wanted dead and alive, Schrödinger's cat." (Instead of wanted dead OR alive, get it? Haha.)
We have a cat. Mabel the Illustrious Calico Empress of North Tacoma says that Schrodinger is a rat-fink :(
 

Redwood

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Nothing wrong with your desire.. Good to avoid extremes either one way or the other..
I want to be extremely practical AND extremely spiritual, all at the same time.
 

Redwood

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Dec 16, 2017
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Well, anyone with a name like Redwood gets my attention immediately. Like, like, like, like, like!!
There is an apartment complex not far from here that has Redwood trees, and I have worked there. Kind of inspiring.
 
Feb 28, 2016
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One interesting thing about reality is, it exists whether the majority agrees it exists or not. A tree will be a tree even if I'm outvoted on the "is that a tree?" ballot.

Reality is also what a lot of people try to get away from, mostly with alcohol, drugs or abrupt and excessive attempts to change their reality.

There is a spiritual reality, and one could contend it is MORE real than physical reality, as changes in the spiritual realm cause changes in the physical instead of vice-versa. But our spiritual reality is a lot less subject to direct observation. Christians do, from what I can observe, have a low-level spiritual radar that clues them in about things they should know in the spiritual realm, but it is almost always vague impressions. So although spiritual reality can be claimed more real than physical reality, the physical is mostly what we have to work with.

I'm going to go work with my physical reality of a slice of sourdough bread with some Chavrie (tm) cheese on it. :cool:
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this is a good Post, with questions of the unknown and questions of one's self and simply wanting to know,
understand their 'PLACE' in their Time, This Time...how we Love the few brave, they always give us Hope for
others coming along and along...even if they need to 'forsake 'white bread', but can still enjoy the good
seeds that our Beloved have given to us all - hopefully at some future 'point in time'...
 

Lynx

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Aug 13, 2014
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We have a cat. Mabel the Illustrious Calico Empress of North Tacoma says that Schrodinger is a rat-fink :(
Well he never used a REAL cat. It was a hypothetical cat as illustration. Even if he had used a real cat, an experiment would never have proved or disproved his theory because any observation of the cat's current state would (according to him) make the standing waves of probability collapse into the cat being alive or dead.
 

Redwood

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Dec 16, 2017
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Well he never used a REAL cat. It was a hypothetical cat as illustration. Even if he had used a real cat, an experiment would never have proved or disproved his theory because any observation of the cat's current state would (according to him) make the standing waves of probability collapse into the cat being alive or dead.
Maybe Schrodinger was just weird.