Should I do it?

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tourist

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But I shouldn’t report the water thing to the Office of Testing Integretity right?
You could but I believe that your energy should be focused on self-improvement (by the grace of God) to prepare for becoming a humble servant of the Lord and not to worry so much about what others are doing.
 

Twistii

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You could but I believe that your energy should be focused on self-improvement (by the grace of God) to prepare for becoming a humble servant of the Lord and not to worry so much about what others are doing.
I mean, I brought two water bottles myself haha

Also, on the CollegeBoard website under “Exam Security” under “In Case of Security Breach,”

it says “If you discover or suspect any issues related to the security of your school’s exams, call the ETS Office of Testing Integrity (OTI) immediately.”

Seems kinda serious
 

tourist

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I mean, I brought two water bottles myself haha

Also, on the CollegeBoard website under “Exam Security” under “In Case of Security Breach,”

it says “If you discover or suspect any issues related to the security of your school’s exams, call the ETS Office of Testing Integrity (OTI) immediately.”

Seems kinda serious
Serious perhaps only to the Office of Testing Integrity. Leave the snitching of harmless acts to those that are busy-bodies with idle time on their hands. This is not what you are about.
 

Twistii

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Serious perhaps only to the Office of Testing Integrity. Leave the snitching of harmless acts to those that are busy-bodies with idle time on their hands. This is not what you are about.
I think I see where you’re coming from, but to be fair, it is possible to utilize water bottles to cheat
 

Twistii

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Serious perhaps only to the Office of Testing Integrity. Leave the snitching of harmless acts to those that are busy-bodies with idle time on their hands. This is not what you are about.
I’m not trying to debate you or anything, it’s just I think it’d help my conscience in decision making if certain points were addressed in a good and convincing way, if that makes sense.

Or maybe it’s better to not go about things that way in this scenario.
 

Twistii

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huh

I have no idea what you should do.

why dont you just wait for the exam result like everyone else.

if you took a sip of water in your break and then went back and did your exam thats fine.
if people took, water bottles in, then they must have got permission from the proctor to do so. dont worry about them. You are not the proctor. They didnt need to ask YOU.
Hi Lanolin 👋

If it’s not too much trouble,

do you think @ me or quote me if u respond to me?

Thanks
 

tourist

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I’m not trying to debate you or anything, it’s just I think it’d help my conscience in decision making if certain points were addressed in a good and convincing way, if that makes sense.

Or maybe it’s better to not go about things that way in this scenario.
I would have to say that you are most conscientious in your day to day life, even in the small matters and details and that is a good Christian attribute to have. Well done. :)
 

Twistii

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I would have to say that you are most conscientious in your day to day life, even in the small matters and details and that is a good Christian attribute to have. Well done. :)
How bout this one,

The CollegeBoard is the one who develops and administers the AP Exams, or does something like that.

The proctor is simply an agent (is that the right word?) in the process of exam time.

So even if the proctor is okay with us bringing in unauthorized drinks (which I assume a lot of people did, although maybe there were people who had an approved accommodation when it comes to food or drink because of like a disability or something)

If the exam is an AP Exam by the CollegeBoard, don’t I technically owe more “allegiance” (I’m not referring to idolatry here haha) to the CollegeBoard than my proctor?

Just some thoughts I suppose.
 

Twistii

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I would have to say that you are most conscientious in your day to day life, even in the small matters and details and that is a good Christian attribute to have. Well done. :)
Thank you!

That means a lot to me.

Could I discuss another concern with you that I have?
 

Twistii

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Serious perhaps only to the Office of Testing Integrity. Leave the snitching of harmless acts to those that are busy-bodies with idle time on their hands. This is not what you are about.
EDIT: I suppose maybe you dont' have to respond to this if you don't have time or something, but I might as well post it in case someone else would like to answer

So we had during my AP Chemistry exam

1) a section 1
2) a break
3) a section 2

Section 1 was multiple choice questions

Section 2 was free response questions

Under "Exam Security Policies" under "Discussing Exam Questions," it says this and more,

College Board will automatically cancel your exam score if you are discovered disclosing through any means the following:

  • multiple-choice content
  • free-response content from an alternate exam
  • free-response content from a regularly scheduled exam within 2 days of its administration
  • free-response content that is not released on the College Board website 2 days after the regularly scheduled exam administration
[btw there maybe should be more indentation where the bullet points here, if I wanted to accurately reflect the formatting, but anyway]

[edit time: huh it shows up differently on here than after I hit save lol]

After the first section, a friend of mine talked about how she hadn't done [insert possibly confidential information] in a while.
This implies that she did [insert possibly confidential information] during the test, and that she has provided me with information that maybe the College Board would prefer her not to.

After the second section, I overheard (bear in mind a lot of times I was intentionally trying to avoid people so that I wouldn't have to deal with this lol) another friend of mine talking about he, if I recall correctly, forgot how to do [insert possibly confidential information]. This most likely implies that he needed to do [insert possibly confidential information] sometime during the AP Chemsitry exam

I asked the proctor about us talking with other students about the exam content,
and she said that she would say it's not okay their-rules-wise since it says anyone including teachers and students.

I asked her if the exam we in the room took (AP Chemsitry Exam for 2021) was all the same for us. She told me that she thinks it's all the same for everyone but just shuffled (this was probably for both the multiple choice and free response sections).

On one hand, I really don't think what my friends said that day really matter at all in terms of cheating and stuff, assuming what the proctor told me about having the same exam is true

Btw the CollegeBoard says under "Exam Development" under "Question Types" under "Multiple-Choice Questions," "A percentage of multiple-choice questions from prior exams are reused every year, guaranteeing the statistical reliability of each AP Exam from year to year."

From this, I think it's fair to say it's probably unfair if you tell someone (who's gonna take an AP exam) about a multiple choice question you got since that could put them at an advantage over someone without that knowledge.

Aside from this, I think the not mentioning of certain stuff after never (think multiple choice questions) or after certain conditions (think free response questions) was mentioned on papers that WE (or at least I assume so) HAVE SIGNED and BOUND OURSELVES to, right???

sorry if I got any details wrong, as I'm adding stuff to this it's late and I wanna go to bed lol

Please ask questions for clarity or stuff like that if you have them, and have a great night or day y'all.

Sorry for this long one, and God bless.
 

Lanolin

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Hi Lanolin 👋

If it’s not too much trouble,

do you think @ me or quote me if u respond to me?

Thanks
@Twistii

like this?
Usually if I respond to a thread its to the OP. Cos its this one I am meaning you twistii.

It has been a long time since I did exams but if think if you are concerned about cheating you need to take it up with the Proctor.

When I did exams we did them for 3 hours max. And we werent allowed breaks. If we wanted water we took our own sipper bottles in. I dont recall anyone going to the bathroom or anything. Our desks were far apart so we couldnt look over anyone elses paper.
We werent allowed books or other papers in or phones (didnt have them when I did them)

The way you do exams that youve described sounds a bit loose to me.

those had dyslexia or diffculty writing often had an aide with them. But they were supervised.

I think if you really needed to go you werent allowed to come back in, or they would have supervised the bathrooms cos they would only have let one at a time go. Not all at once. That would probably invite cheating. Seems weird that you could have breaks or they would have taken the papers away.
 

Twistii

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@Twistii

like this?
Usually if I respond to a thread its to the OP. Cos its this one I am meaning you twistii.

It has been a long time since I did exams but if think if you are concerned about cheating you need to take it up with the Proctor.

When I did exams we did them for 3 hours max. And we werent allowed breaks. If we wanted water we took our own sipper bottles in. I dont recall anyone going to the bathroom or anything. Our desks were far apart so we couldnt look over anyone elses paper.
We werent allowed books or other papers in or phones (didnt have them when I did them)

The way you do exams that youve described sounds a bit loose to me.

those had dyslexia or diffculty writing often had an aide with them. But they were supervised.

I think if you really needed to go you werent allowed to come back in, or they would have supervised the bathrooms cos they would only have let one at a time go. Not all at once. That would probably invite cheating. Seems weird that you could have breaks or they would have taken the papers away.
Lol I went to the bathroom like 5 times, I don’t think I went during the break.
 

Twistii

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@Twistii

like this?
Usually if I respond to a thread its to the OP. Cos its this one I am meaning you twistii.

It has been a long time since I did exams but if think if you are concerned about cheating you need to take it up with the Proctor.

When I did exams we did them for 3 hours max. And we werent allowed breaks. If we wanted water we took our own sipper bottles in. I dont recall anyone going to the bathroom or anything. Our desks were far apart so we couldnt look over anyone elses paper.
We werent allowed books or other papers in or phones (didnt have them when I did them)

The way you do exams that youve described sounds a bit loose to me.

those had dyslexia or diffculty writing often had an aide with them. But they were supervised.

I think if you really needed to go you werent allowed to come back in, or they would have supervised the bathrooms cos they would only have let one at a time go. Not all at once. That would probably invite cheating. Seems weird that you could have breaks or they would have taken the papers away.
Quoting or @ing me, either way is probably fine
 

Twistii

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@Twistii

like this?
Usually if I respond to a thread its to the OP. Cos its this one I am meaning you twistii.

It has been a long time since I did exams but if think if you are concerned about cheating you need to take it up with the Proctor.

When I did exams we did them for 3 hours max. And we werent allowed breaks. If we wanted water we took our own sipper bottles in. I dont recall anyone going to the bathroom or anything. Our desks were far apart so we couldnt look over anyone elses paper.
We werent allowed books or other papers in or phones (didnt have them when I did them)

The way you do exams that youve described sounds a bit loose to me.

those had dyslexia or diffculty writing often had an aide with them. But they were supervised.

I think if you really needed to go you werent allowed to come back in, or they would have supervised the bathrooms cos they would only have let one at a time go. Not all at once. That would probably invite cheating. Seems weird that you could have breaks or they would have taken the papers away.
I’ll probably talk to my AP Coordinator
 

Twistii

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@Twistii

like this?
Usually if I respond to a thread its to the OP. Cos its this one I am meaning you twistii.

It has been a long time since I did exams but if think if you are concerned about cheating you need to take it up with the Proctor.

When I did exams we did them for 3 hours max. And we werent allowed breaks. If we wanted water we took our own sipper bottles in. I dont recall anyone going to the bathroom or anything. Our desks were far apart so we couldnt look over anyone elses paper.
We werent allowed books or other papers in or phones (didnt have them when I did them)

The way you do exams that youve described sounds a bit loose to me.

those had dyslexia or diffculty writing often had an aide with them. But they were supervised.

I think if you really needed to go you werent allowed to come back in, or they would have supervised the bathrooms cos they would only have let one at a time go. Not all at once. That would probably invite cheating. Seems weird that you could have breaks or they would have taken the papers away.
and I might talk to the proctor as well, but I doubt she knows a lot or has much power haha [EDIT: in this matter, that is]