Should We Imitate the Catholic, Orthodox Saints and Protestant “Esteemed” Christians?

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CharliRenee

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Yes we should live like them and imitate them.

They were imitating Christ which is the goal of life. Our Church honors and respects all saints because they gave up all their earthly things to love God while suffering and dying most of the time.

Living like Christ is not easy because you have to give up your ego, which is a very very difficult thing to do for most people and then give up your body in terms of food deprivation and physical hardship which is also difficult to do.

Very few people in this forum show a Christ-like radiance and are like these saints.
@CharliRenee is one of them.
Aweee you give me honor and praise. I thank you for it. Believe when when I say, though, I stumble and struggle with myself plenty. I need Him constantly to keep me and the dredful ego from running a muck. He is so gracious as He keeps me in chk and encourages me to lay down my cross of self, every moment, of every day.

I hope to follow Him more and more, with His tender-mercies there is hope. I am not real savy of the saints like some of you are, but I do learn much from the diciples, because they followed Him so willingly, right off the bat. I am often inspired by them. However, it is Christ that is my One and only guiding light. Well, wait now. I seek to be this way. Like I said, um my ego rears her ugly head still, from time to time.

Thanks for always being so kind to me. I really appreciate it. I love you brother.
 

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Since when has it become a 'Catholic Idea' to imitate holy/esteemed Christians that came before us? You say that you only believe in Scripture, yet Scripture itself tells us to imitate holy Christians. The apostle Paul wrote in the book of 1 Corinthians 4:16 calling the Corinthian believers to be followers or imitator of him. Again Paul writes in 1 Corinthians 11:1 saying, “imitate me, just as I also imitate Christ”

Many try and emulate Billy Graham, Augustine, C S Lewis and other Christians who have displayed their 'Living Christianity' in thought/word/deed.
As a Christian i believe we should be as Christ like as we can... Why do
Are Protestants brothers and sisters in Christ to anyone either?
Well that's up to each individual to investigate.. The variance in doctrines within the protestant churches is wide some are just as false as the catholic religion.. I personally don't base my beliefs on the old Catholic vs Protestant dichotomy.. I base my beliefs on the Bible..

Interesting thing about purgatory is that after dying on the cross for our sins Jesus spent the next 3 days preaching to the spirits in prison. What was that all about anyway?
That wasn't purgatory.. That was hell.. I believe Jesus preached the Gospel to those in hell who had not heard the Gospel.. Maybe some of them accepted His Word and where saved? Anyway we shall find out in eternity..

Would it be more correct to say that Catholics are not brothers and sisters to you, rather than claiming to know what 'anyone' else believes?
No that would not be correct.. I know what the catholic religion teaches.. I was born into a catholic family.. And i had a very devout catholic dad.. Never missed a Sunday mass for the first 17 years of my life.. Spent 10 years as an alter boy 5-15 and i have a uncle who is a catholic priest.. So i know what catholism preaches.. I have only mentioned one catholic doctrine in this thread ""Purgatory"" the only one i really need to peoples attention to reveal the un-Christian nature of the catholic church.. Basic Christianity 101 is that Jesus suffered death on the cross to provide the Atonement for the Sins of those that believe Jesus and trust that His Atonement paid the penalty that was due upon them for their transgressions against His Will... Now Purgatory teaches that YOU have to suffer time in a place called purgatory to have your sins purged before you can enter into Gods perfect eternal existence.. This purgatory doctrine is a Direct denial of the sufficiency of the Atonement of the LORD Jesus.. The catholic religion preaches that the Atonement secured by Jesus on the cross did NOT pay the penalty for all our sins,, That we must do time in Purgatory to suffer for our own sins...

But a lot of catholics seem to draw a blank when the reality of their purgatory is revealed to them.. How it is a blasphemous denial of the Atonement,, How it accuses Jesus of being a failure on the cross.. How Jesus suffered death for Nothing.. This just shows they are more loyal to the traditions of men of the catholic church, rather then holding up the Word of God as the foundation of their faith..
 

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While I believe it's certainly true that there are saved Catholics, the religion itself has so many heresies, NO ONE should be a member.

I went to 8 yrs catholic school, and most of my very large extended family remain Catholic, albeit most are wishy washy Chreesters. (Christmas and Easter) adherents.

This is a partial list of what I believe are damnable heresies taught by their church.

1. Praying to Mary

2. Making Mary a co redemptrix

3. Praying the rosary

4. Praying to "saints"

5. Transubstantiation

6. Purgatory

7. CONTINUED indulgences

8. Teaching that a priest is a necessary mediator for confession of sins AND absolution of sins through assigning rote repetition of the Hail Mary and Our Father.

9. Inerrancy of the pope, and teaching that he is Christ's representative on Earth.


There are more, but these listed are so serious that it is imperative to flee this cultish religion.

The site owner is absolutely correct that this false religion should not be lifted up or taught here.
I too agree with you on 1-7, 100%, truly refuse to elevate the pope, a priest, rosary, mary, the saints, or purgatory over Him and His Atonement only. The two I am uncertain about is merely because I don't yet know enough. I need to educate myself. I don't understand the meaning of the word Transubstantiation, or Eucharist either for that matter but I am learning. I take communion with my nondenominational church but did not realize it may be a "catholic" thing. Taking communion makes sense to me as the word seems to encourage it, but it is symbolic of course. Oh and what are the continued indulgences you speak of?
 

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While I believe it's certainly true that there are saved Catholics, the religion itself has so many heresies, NO ONE should be a member.

I went to 8 yrs catholic school, and most of my very large extended family remain Catholic, albeit most are wishy washy Chreesters. (Christmas and Easter) adherents.

This is a partial list of what I believe are damnable heresies taught by their church.

1. Praying to Mary

2. Making Mary a co redemptrix

3. Praying the rosary

4. Praying to "saints"

5. Transubstantiation

6. Purgatory

7. CONTINUED indulgences

8. Teaching that a priest is a necessary mediator for confession of sins AND absolution of sins through assigning rote repetition of the Hail Mary and Our Father.

9. Inerrancy of the pope, and teaching that he is Christ's representative on Earth.


There are more, but these listed are so serious that it is imperative to flee this cultish religion.

The site owner is absolutely correct that this false religion should not be lifted up or taught here.
Also I don't agree with adding or taking from His Holy word.
 

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I too agree with you on 1-7, 100%, truly refuse to elevate the pope, a priest, rosary, mary, the saints, or purgatory over Him and His Atonement only. The two I am uncertain about is merely because I don't yet know enough. I need to educate myself. I don't understand the meaning of the word Transubstantiation, or Eucharist either for that matter but I am learning. I take communion with my nondenominational church but did not realize it may be a "catholic" thing. Taking communion makes sense to me as the word seems to encourage it, but it is symbolic of course. Oh and what are the continued indulgences you speak of?
Coming from a completely Catholic background, I sometimes forget that most other Christians weren't exposed, and may not know what some of these things are.

First let me say, there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong with the communion you receive. Our Church has a monthly communion, and Jesus Himself said to do it in MEMORY of Him. We SHOULD have communion.

But Catholics believe that the "host"/ Eucharist, BECOMES Jesus as you eat it. Essentially sacrificing Christ AGAIN, over and over. This is heresy, as Jesus was crucified and died ONCE, for all time.

So indulgences were contrived around the year 1000 AD. Among other mostly illicit means, they made the Church incredibly wealthy.
Basically what they are is a method of lessening a person, or person's loved one's time in Purgatory. You would give money or other valuables to the Church, and that would shave off time you or your loved one would spend SUFFERING in Purgatory.

Should probably explain Purgatory a bit. That is the place you go to PAY FOR THE venial sins you committed, and Jesus' Blood was insufficient to cleanse. Of course you can ONLY pay for your venial sins, mortal sins committed mean you are ineligible for Heaven.

Yes. All this is as awful as it sounds. Here is a description of the different sins:


"For a sin to be Mortal [Deadly, Fatal to Heaven], it must meet ALL THREE Standards of this Check-Off List, simultaneously.

1) It must be a SERIOUS MATTER [or believed to be a Serious Matter], and only potentially serious matters, by the most conservative standard that I could find, are listed on this Check-Off.

2) Before the Sin, a person must have been mindful of the serious wrong, having reflected on the gravity of the situation, with SUFFICIENT REFLECTION, beforehand.

3) A person must have freely chosen to commit the Sin, with the full consent of the FREE WILL, in spite of possible coercion.

Other lesser matters are Venial Sins and are not required to be confessed in Confession. However, it is a good and pious thing to confess Venial Sins, to lessen your time in Purgatory.

A list of Venial sins, and even lesser ‘Imperfections‘, is covered in the Venial Sins section. The lesser Imperfections are not sins at all, but more difficult to distinguish from Venial Sins. "


Catholics will tell you that indulgences ended about 400 to 500 yrs ago, and they are not done today. This is NOT true.


When my mother died several yrs ago, many of my relatives BOUGHT (you MUST buy them) Mass cards, or candles. BOTH are designed and intended to lessen her time in Purgatory.

Thankfully, my mom accepted the Lord about a year before her death.

I hope this was helpful.
 

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Coming from a completely Catholic background, I sometimes forget that most other Christians weren't exposed, and may not know what some of these things are.

First let me say, there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING wrong with the communion you receive. Our Church has a monthly communion, and Jesus Himself said to do it in MEMORY of Him. We SHOULD have communion.

But Catholics believe that the "host"/ Eucharist, BECOMES Jesus as you eat it. Essentially sacrificing Christ AGAIN, over and over. This is heresy, as Jesus was crucified and died ONCE, for all time.

So indulgences were contrived around the year 1000 AD. Among other mostly illicit means, they made the Church incredibly wealthy.
Basically what they are is a method of lessening a person, or person's loved one's time in Purgatory. You would give money or other valuables to the Church, and that would shave off time you or your loved one would spend SUFFERING in Purgatory.

Should probably explain Purgatory a bit. That is the place you go to PAY FOR THE venial sins you committed, and Jesus' Blood was insufficient to cleanse. Of course you can ONLY pay for your venial sins, mortal sins committed mean you are ineligible for Heaven.

Yes. All this is as awful as it sounds. Here is a description of the different sins:


"For a sin to be Mortal [Deadly, Fatal to Heaven], it must meet ALL THREE Standards of this Check-Off List, simultaneously.

1) It must be a SERIOUS MATTER [or believed to be a Serious Matter], and only potentially serious matters, by the most conservative standard that I could find, are listed on this Check-Off.

2) Before the Sin, a person must have been mindful of the serious wrong, having reflected on the gravity of the situation, with SUFFICIENT REFLECTION, beforehand.

3) A person must have freely chosen to commit the Sin, with the full consent of the FREE WILL, in spite of possible coercion.

Other lesser matters are Venial Sins and are not required to be confessed in Confession. However, it is a good and pious thing to confess Venial Sins, to lessen your time in Purgatory.

A list of Venial sins, and even lesser ‘Imperfections‘, is covered in the Venial Sins section. The lesser Imperfections are not sins at all, but more difficult to distinguish from Venial Sins. "


Catholics will tell you that indulgences ended about 400 to 500 yrs ago, and they are not done today. This is NOT true.


When my mother died several yrs ago, many of my relatives BOUGHT (you MUST buy them) Mass cards, or candles. BOTH are designed and intended to lessen her time in Purgatory.

Thankfully, my mom accepted the Lord about a year before her death.

I hope this was helpful.
Yes very informative and helpful, thank you!!! I am so happy that your Mama accepted Him and only Him. I wonder how many so called "catholics" understand what they believe in and how much of it contradicts what He teaches in his word. I don't understand all the different variations of many denominations. We don't see that in the bible, unless we look at the different churches in Revelations. I don't know.

I imagine it doesn't please our Lord that there are such divisions. I don't know but am so very thankful to have found my church.

Thank you for your time. I pray you and your wife and family are well.
 

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Indulgences = seeking funds from the gullible with the promise it will lessen their/loved ones' time in purgatory.
Such a sad exploitation...
Indeed.
As history has shown, there will be many Men who use and twist the message of Christ for personal gain and to control people.
‘This doesn’t mean that we need to automatically condemn the rest too because it would be contrary to Christ who embraced the “worst sinners” according to Jewish traditions of the time 2000 years ago.
So we need to show peace, love and firm belief in Christ without condemning others to Hell because that’s not our job and we are incapable of doing that. That’s only up to God.
The “worst sinners” are created in the image of God too and they must have their reasons for behaving the way they do.
 

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Indulgences = seeking funds from the gullible with the promise it will lessen their/loved ones' time in purgatory.
The nerd part of me is now curious how one would calculate the time necessary to spend in purgatory, and the mechanics of reducing it. What are the metrics used in calculating it? How does one affect them? How would you check whether what you do to affect it is actually having an effect?

Actually I thought indulgences was where you know you are going to sin, so you pay off the church in advance so you can sin without feeling bad about it. I thought paying down purgatory time was something different. Maybe I got something backward?

Whatever it is called where you can pay off sin you know you are going to do, how do I get in on that part?
 

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Purgatory was invented because Catholics teach that no one can be certain if they're going to hell or heaven. They don't know for sure until they're dead and gone. They knew no one would accept a system that left so much uncertainty so they came up with purgatory. That way even if a person doesn't make it to heaven on the first go, they can eventually get there by having any remaining evil in them burned out in purgatory. It's truly sad and depressing.

Disciples of the true Jesus of the Bible can know with 100% certainty they will be with Him in heaven when they die.
 

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It is certain that and Christianity began long before Luther and did not spring up when He was a monk of the Catholic Church. It had existed for 1500 years before then. He may have corrected the completely ridiculous idea of selling indulgences. There is very much contained in the hearts and deeds of the saints of the historical church before Luther

We are told as protestants not to pray to the saints, that we ARE saints. Maybe so. But in the path of sanctification could we gain anything from these “Saints” without becoming alarmed that we will be corrupted and are convinced we are not loyal to Luther and Protestantism? Could we be convinced that the most important thing is loyalty to the One God (Father, Son and Spirit)? Could we learn to Love our God more and to Love our brothers and sisters (any everyone else too!) as we imitate the saints?

From my reading of the Saints is very evident there is a lot to be gained from reading what the saints have written. For example, the two big commandments: Love God and love others as ourselves in the writings of the saints. We can even read what the saints in the scripture DID. (Don’t loose focus here, I am not saying that DOING the right thing saves you, and I am not saying you should pray to the saints).

The word of God is written on my heart, and I trust Him to keep me from error, so I am unafraid of reading the saints writings and the writings of Christians from other denominations and have found them to be worth imitating.

In my readings there are several Catholic, Orthodox Saints, and Protestant authors (of different denominations) that have written about their love of God and of Others that are worth imitating:



Catholic Church

St. John of the Cross

John of the Cross is considered one of the foremost poets in Spanish. Although his complete poems add up to fewer than 2500 verses, two of them, the Spiritual Canticle and the Dark Night of the Soul, are widely considered masterpieces of Spanish poetry, both for their formal style and their rich symbolism and imagery.

From reading his poetry you can gather he was complete lost in the love for God and he pointed many and counselled many on to develop a loving relationship to God.

St. Therese Of Lisieux

She is popularly known as “The Little Flower of Jesus” or simply “The Little Flower”. Thérèse has been a highly influential model of sanctity for Catholics and for others because of the simplicity and practicality of her approach to the spiritual life. Known for the little way: Instead of focusing on large actions, we should bring God into our smallest ones. St. Thérèse even wrote about how much care she put into folding napkins at the dinner table. She completed the task with as much love and attention as if Jesus Himself was coming to dine with her.



St. Therese of Avila

Teresa was a woman “for God,” a woman of prayer, discipline, and compassion. Her heart belonged to God. Her ongoing conversion was an arduous lifelong struggle, involving ongoing purification and suffering. She was misunderstood, misjudged, and opposed in her efforts at reform. Yet she struggled on, courageous and faithful; she struggled with her own mediocrity, her illness, her opposition. And in the midst of all this she clung to God in life and in prayer. Her writings on prayer and contemplation are drawn from her experience: powerful, practical, and graceful. She was a woman of prayer; a woman for God. While I was beseeching Our Lord today...I began to think of the soul as if it were a castle made of a single diamond or of very clear crystal, in which there are many rooms, just as in Heaven there are many mansions. — St. Teresa of Avila
A masterpiece of spiritual literature, this sixteenth-century work was inspired by a mystical vision that came upon the revered St. Teresa of Avila, one of the most gifted and beloved religious figures in history. St. Teresa's vision was of a luminous crystal castle composed of seven chambers, or "mansions," each representing a different stage in the development of the soul.
In her most important and widely read book, St. Teresa describes how, upon entering the castle through prayer and meditation, the human spirit experiences humility, detachment, suffering, and, ultimately, self-knowledge, as it roams from room to room. As the soul progresses further toward the center of the castle, it comes closer to achieving ineffable and perfect peace, and, finally, a divine communion with God.
A set of rare and beautiful teachings for people of all faiths desirous of divine guidance.





Orthodox Church

St. John Maximovich,



Bishop of San Francisco (d. 1966). The book “John the Wonderworker“documents 100 miracles through John’s prayers and actions, showing his great love for people and close relationship with God. He rescued about 1500 orphans from Shanghai and brought them to San Francisco in the early 50’s.



St. Herman of Alaska



Wonderworker of all America (d. 1837). Converted thousands of Aleuts, built many churches. Asked his congregation “Should we not love God above everything, desire Him more than anything, and search Him out, the Very Lord, our Jesus Christ, who created us, adorned us with such ideals, gave life to all, sustains everything, nurtures and loves all, who is Himself Love and most beautiful of all men?” ‘Certainly, we love God’, they all answered. “And I a sinner,” he answered, “have been trying for more than forty years to love God, yet I cannot say that I love Him completely. Let us at least promise ourselves that from this very minute we will try to love God more than anything and to fulfill His holy commandments”.









Esteemed Protestants (different denominations)

James Haddon Spurgeon

As I read Spurgeon’s works, I was struck with the realization that he loved God. God was real to him and not just a theory. The work I remember the most was The Secret to the love of God. In his works he says we should love God and not be ashamed to say we love God.

Elisabeth Elliot

She was one of the most inspiring Christian women of the 20th century. Elisabeth Elliot was a Christian author and speaker. Her first husband, Jim Elliot, was killed in 1956 while attempting to make missionary contact with the Auca people of eastern Ecuador. She later spent two years as a missionary to the tribe members who killed her husband. She emphasized commitment to God, doing his will whatever it costs, and being owned by Him. I remember her saying “Don’t say you love God, show me!” She is a hero to me.



Dr. R. C. Sproul

I owe a lot to Dr. R. C. Sproul. His thoughtful and logical presentation of many, many Christian topics and discussions have helped me greatly. He has written a vast number of books. Ligonier’s Ligoinier Connect allows you to play streaming video presentations many authors including himself

He is known for emphasis on Holiness, consciousness that we are Living before the face of God. Founder of Ligonier which now features many scholarly and imitable men of God.



C. S. Louis

Clive Staples Lewis (1898–1963) was one of the intellectual giants of the twentieth century and arguably one of the most influential writers of his day. He was a Fellow and Tutor in English Literature at Oxford University until 1954, when he was unanimously elected to the Chair of Medieval and Renaissance Literature at Cambridge University, a position he held until his retirement.

Lewis wrote more than thirty books, allowing him to reach a vast audience, and his works continue to attract thousands of new readers every year. C. S. Lewis’s most distinguished and popular accomplishments include Mere Christianity, Out of the Silent Planet, The Great Divorce, The Screwtape Letters, and the universally acknowledged classics in The Chronicles of Narnia. To date, the Narnia books have sold over 100 million copies and been transformed into three major motion pictures.
 

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I wrote the thread " Is accepting Christ enough to be saved?"

In that thread everyone said that faith that Jesus by His sacrifice was enough to be saved. Some said (which was the position of the thread I wrote) that If there was no evidence of the faith the faith was dead (agreement with James).

I wrote this thread to say that not only protestants but Catholics and Orthodox INDIVIDUALLY might have something to offer. The ones that have faith in Jesus for their salvation. But in it became an arguement against the Catholic Church. Would you like everyone to excoriate you if you belonged to what they believed was a heretic baptist, Lutheran, or independent (or 33,000 protestant denominations) part of the body of Christ?

I know Catholics that I have no doubt are Christians, they have the faith that many of you say need to be saved.

I see through the glass darkly, and very likely I need mercy in all areas including being a partial or full heretic in some areas. Are you certain every theological pronouncement you say is absolutely right? I need Jesus to wash me, cleans me from sin (including believing incorectly and loving Him and obeying Him) always.

Are we Protestants the Pharasee?
 

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I see even the replies are reviewed and take time to be reviewed. Sorry! I am a newbie so please ignore if i double post, sometimes i feel like i bumbled around not sure if it got posted since i didnt see anything to indicate it was reviewed (replies)
 

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I see even the replies are reviewed and take time to be reviewed. Sorry! I am a newbie so please ignore if i double post, sometimes i feel like i bumbled around not sure if it got posted since i didnt see anything to indicate it was reviewed (replies)
Replies are not reviewed before being posted...

Are you on a phone?

I see double posts like that sometimes; if it happens in less than 5 minutes you can delete the duplicate :)
 

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Replies are not reviewed before being posted...

Are you on a phone?

I see double posts like that sometimes; if it happens in less than 5 minutes you can delete the duplicate :)
thanks
 
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Just a few days ago was the 25th death anniversary of Mother Theresa of Calcutta, another highly beloved Saint respected by Catholic Christians, non-Catholic Christians, and non-Christians alike. When people think of the Catholic Church, they should think of someone like her, who showed the Love of Christ in concrete actions and works of Love. Hindus, Muslims, Buddhists and others have accepted Baptism and Christ and become Christians (and some even missionaries to other countries/part of the Missionaries of Charity) because of the Good Example of her Christian Life; Sources: "Nirmala Joshi

Joshi, née Kusum, was born on 23 July 1934[3] in a Brahmin family as the eldest of the ten children at in Syanja,[4] Nepal. Although the family was Hindu, she was educated by Christian missionaries in Mount Carmel, Hazaribagh, India. At that time, she learned of Mother Teresa's work and wanted to share in that service. She soon converted to Catholicism and joined the Missionaries of Charity, founded by Mother Teresa.[5]" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nirmala_Joshi

The verses that come to mind are: "In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven." (Mat 5:16) This Mother Theresa did in an exemplary way imo, softening many hearts to Christ. I live in India and I know, especially in the current environment in the North, how hard it is for Christians. But because she gave a good example of Christ's Love, many became more favorable to Christ and Christianity in general.

If anyone wants to debate Holy Communion, Purgatory for those who die in God's Grace and venial sin etc, Biblically we can do that. I'm a Catholic, and a former Catholic Seminarian, and I know the theology. Purgatory is based on 1 Cor 3:13-15.

1 Cor 3:

"13 their work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each person’s work. 14 If what has been built survives, the builder will receive a reward. 15 If it is burned up, the builder will suffer loss but yet will be saved—even though only as one escaping through the flames."

God Bless.
 

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Indeed.
As history has shown, there will be many Men who use and twist the message of Christ for personal gain and to control people.
‘This doesn’t mean that we need to automatically condemn the rest too because it would be contrary to Christ who embraced the “worst sinners” according to Jewish traditions of the time 2000 years ago.
So we need to show peace, love and firm belief in Christ without condemning others to Hell because that’s not our job and we are incapable of doing that. That’s only up to God.
The “worst sinners” are created in the image of God too and they must have their reasons for behaving the way they do.
So we need to show peace, love and firm belief in Christ without condemning others to Hell because that’s not our job and we are incapable of doing that. That’s only up to God.
The “worst sinners” are created in the image of God too and they must have their reasons for behaving the way.


well, that was well put. I agree. I may not agree with other denominations but it is not mine to know the hearts of others. So yes, we love, in thought, and deed. He knows what He is doing and who He is dealing with. Again we ALL need His tender-mercies!!!

We all need Him and none of us know it all, nope. We all need to lean in and on, rather than leaning on our own understanding. I need that verse so often!!!
 

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The title of this video is The Most Evil Religion in the World. I'd change that to The Most Dishonest Religion in the World.