Soulmates

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I'd rather have negative facts than follow a pagan fairytale that contradicts the bible. I notice no attempt to prove me wrong. Wonder why...
Ugly,

AW will speak for himself...

But how does having a soul mate or even just believing it is possible to have one, contradict the bible?
I don't understand this.

Could you clarify?
I mean, do you think it's a sin?
Could we only do what the bible says?
Should I never go see a movie again?
What about ice-skating?? Skiing.

Your statement is very confusing and most times I agree with you.
 
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I mean, as in, I'm not married. So I don't have a soul mate.
You don't have to be married to have a soul mate!
Some people don't even marry their soul mate.

That's what this thread is all about.
Trying to understand what a soul mate is.

Is it a boyfriend?
A husband?
Are all husbands also soul mates?
Is it a girl friend you're very close to?
If so, why aren't ALL your girl friends soul mates?
What's the difference?
Could it be a parent, a sibling?

A mate of the soul.
What makes a mate of the soul be one?

MUST there be romance involved?
Maybe not...

Something to think about.
Your age has nothing to do with it.
Maybe it's someone who undersands YOU really well and you understand HIM really well.
Maybe that's all it is???
 

slave

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The term "soul-mate" compared to friendship or spouse has a connotation to it for me. This idea implies that somewhere out there is that “perfect person” for you, and if your marriage is not exploding with intense communication, romance, and a great sex life, well then maybe it’s because your spouse is not your “soul mate.” Men who are a little bored with their wives, or vice versa, might be tempted by a co-worker who “understands me so well and is my soul mate, or could be my soul mate.” But frankly, this is a recipe for adultery and divorce, and families end up getting dropped for “soul mates.”

Someone once wrote a tribute to C.S. Lewis’s “The Screwtape Letters” called “Screwtape Proposes a Divorce,” in which Wasphead, the author's invented senior devil, says the following to Gallstone, the junior devil: “That (soul mates) do not exist is to be kept TOP SECRET. … Let’s be blunt: these humans are scouring the globe for someone with whom a relationship will require absolutely no work or compromise. … Many adult humans who have long ago dismissed Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny as myths somehow persist in believing this person to exist.”

The “soul mate” concept is unworkable and completely unfair to the real other person in your life. It puts enormous pressure on him or her to perform, to meet our impossible expectations. As Jerry Root and Stan Guthrie point out in “The Sacrament of Evangelism,” putting others in God’s place—expecting them to give us what only God can—is a naked form of idolatry and will only lead to deep disappointment.

Here’s another thing. The “soul mate” idea suggests that marriage is all about me, that I need to find someone who understands me perfectly, who makes me happy. Marriage should be about finding someone you can make happy. In the great teaching on marriage in Ephesians, for example, husbands are told to lay down their lives for their wives, as Christ did for the church.

As J. R. R. Tolkien once wrote to his son, “No man, however truly he loved his betrothed and bride as a young man has lived faithful to her as a wife in mind and body without deliberate conscious exercise of the will, without self-denial.”

I think the beautiful ideal of a "soul-mate" is not an accurate look at Biblical relationships. A true soul-mate should only be your spouse. Categorically a friend can have a true connection, an intimate connection even, but this is not a soul-mate.. For in a marriage to submit to one another, and to commit to one another, and to marry one another in a public declaration of oaths; adding intimate sexual oneness is a person connected literally to another's soul. This is God's grace lived out in this union; it is a form of worshipping Him actually. But, it is work isn't it?!!

It is true, many married people don't always connect in an natural way cognitively, and emotionally personality wise. But that's the point. If we are married we are to work in our choice of loving them to grow together in that way of submission to loving; hence, the oneness in submitting to our spouse returns thru them - back to honor us eventually. And regardless of the outcome it honors God, which He then is faithful. If your spouse does not return the submissive love (not based on your rule book, but on God's Word), that is the prayers of many and the spiritual fight of our relationships as married couples. This is where we all need to pray for marriages, even intercessory prayers for others who are married. If we honor our spouse we honor ourselves, in other words.

I don't think there is (only one) out there for you, until after marriage. I think there is the one you choose in His will at the time He brings them by. In other words, I think God will honor our heart (while in Christ thru righteousness) and since He is omniscient He happens to know and will intercede for His will to be served. In other words, we have to make those moral choices ourselves.

Marriage can be
wonderfully satisfying, but that’s the result of God’s grace, hard work, and self-sacrificial love. And that is the truth. "Soul-mates," seek self, and I am not about that.
 
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The term "soul-mate" compared to friendship or spouse has a connotation to it for me. This idea implies that somewhere out there is that “perfect person” for you, and if your marriage is not exploding with intense communication, romance, and a great sex life, well then maybe it’s because your spouse is not your “soul mate.” Men who are a little bored with their wives, or vice versa, might be tempted by a co-worker who “understands me so well and is my soul mate, or could be my soul mate.” But frankly, this is a recipe for adultery and divorce, and families end up getting dropped for “soul mates.”

Someone once wrote a tribute to C.S. Lewis’s “The Screwtape Letters” called “Screwtape Proposes a Divorce,” in which Wasphead, the author's invented senior devil, says the following to Gallstone, the junior devil: “That (soul mates) do not exist is to be kept TOP SECRET. … Let’s be blunt: these humans are scouring the globe for someone with whom a relationship will require absolutely no work or compromise. … Many adult humans who have long ago dismissed Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny as myths somehow persist in believing this person to exist.”

The “soul mate” concept is unworkable and completely unfair to the real other person in your life. It puts enormous pressure on him or her to perform, to meet our impossible expectations. As Jerry Root and Stan Guthrie point out in “The Sacrament of Evangelism,” putting others in God’s place—expecting them to give us what only God can—is a naked form of idolatry and will only lead to deep disappointment.

Here’s another thing. The “soul mate” idea suggests that marriage is all about me, that I need to find someone who understands me perfectly, who makes me happy. Marriage should be about finding someone you can make happy. In the great teaching on marriage in Ephesians, for example, husbands are told to lay down their lives for their wives, as Christ did for the church.

As J. R. R. Tolkien once wrote to his son, “No man, however truly he loved his betrothed and bride as a young man has lived faithful to her as a wife in mind and body without deliberate conscious exercise of the will, without self-denial.”

I think the beautiful ideal of a "soul-mate" is not an accurate look at Biblical relationships. A true soul-mate should only be your spouse. Categorically a friend can have a true connection, an intimate connection even, but this is not a soul-mate.. For in a marriage to submit to one another, and to commit to one another, and to marry one another in a public declaration of oaths; adding intimate sexual oneness is a person connected literally to another's soul. This is God's grace lived out in this union; it is a form of worshipping Him actually. But, it is work isn't it?!!

It is true, many married people don't always connect in an natural way cognitively, and emotionally personality wise. But that's the point. If we are married we are to work in our choice of loving them to grow together in that way of submission to loving; hence, the oneness in submitting to our spouse returns thru them - back to honor us eventually. And regardless of the outcome it honors God, which He then is faithful. If your spouse does not return the submissive love (not based on your rule book, but on God's Word), that is the prayers of many and the spiritual fight of our relationships as married couples. This is where we all need to pray for marriages, even intercessory prayers for others who are married. If we honor our spouse we honor ourselves, in other words.

I don't think there is (only one) out there for you, until after marriage. I think there is the one you choose in His will at the time He brings them by. In other words, I think God will honor our heart (while in Christ thru righteousness) and since He is omniscient He happens to know and will intercede for His will to be served. In other words, we have to make those moral choices ourselves.

Marriage can be
wonderfully satisfying, but that’s the result of God’s grace, hard work, and self-sacrificial love. And that is the truth. "Soul-mates," seek self, and I am not about that.
Hi Slave,

The reasn I find this thread so interesting is exactly because everyone understands a soul mate in their own way. There is not one standard definition of what it is.

Maybe a lot has to do with our own personal experience.

Is there a difference between a life partner and a soul mate?
What you are describing is, for me, a life partner. That person with whom you share your life, agree to the fundamentals of life, on how to raise children. manage money, treat the in-laws and family, etc. I dare say that if all this is true, then the intimate life of the couple will most probably also be a happy one.

So, does this mean my life-partner (husband) is also my soul mate?
Is it possible that he may not be?

It's a complicated subject. I'm sorry it didn't stir more interest.
you're the second person here (the other one was Ugly) who connects this to biblical concepts and says that it doesn not exist or if it does then it would be damaging to a marriage.

Personally, the way I understand it, it would not be any more damaging than having a really good girl friend who takes you away from hubby evey now and then to go see a good movie, or just hang out.

I do think that men tend to see all relationships in a sexual dimension. They say a woman and man cannot be friends due to this aspect. To me, it's two totally different feelings, but I'm a girl ... so I guess it's different.

Anyway, you wrote a great post with a lot of information in it.

I read the Screwtape Letters. I can't remember the passage you wrote about, but I loved the book. I always said every teenager should read it. It would make the unseen world more real to them --- especially nowadays with all the doubt about God even existing.

I guess I could also say that I am kind of romantic and do think there's only one out there, maybe two -- but I don't think I could ever "settle" just to get married or have companionship.

Luckily for me I met my husband at an early age and we've had a very good marriage.
If Idid meet a soul mate I wouldn't find it threatening at all because my relationship is very strong and could not be changed.
I'm an old-fashioned kind of girl !

Thanks for a nice discourse.
 

Corbinscam

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I think I more or less agree with ugly. The idea of a soul mate is a fairy tale.

That said I think it's possible or even normal it have one person (rather its a spouse or just a friend) that you click with well.
And I think it is possible for God to direct you desires to a ideal person he has for you...Song of Solomon talks about Solomon being the one the soul of his bride longed for. The concept isn't out of line biblically.

I also think that God looks at some of us and knows we need help....so he sends us someone to make us better than we could ever be alone. I'm a loner...I don't care for people too much at all really. I don't desire constant contact with people...but God gave me one that I fairly well couldn't live without. Soulmate? maybe....maybe not. But I think the concept might not be far off.
 

slave

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Hi Slave,

The reasn I find this thread so interesting is exactly because everyone understands a soul mate in their own way. There is not one standard definition of what it is.

Maybe a lot has to do with our own personal experience.

Is there a difference between a life partner and a soul mate?
What you are describing is, for me, a life partner. That person with whom you share your life, agree to the fundamentals of life, on how to raise children. manage money, treat the in-laws and family, etc. I dare say that if all this is true, then the intimate life of the couple will most probably also be a happy one.

So, does this mean my life-partner (husband) is also my soul mate?
Is it possible that he may not be?

It's a complicated subject. I'm sorry it didn't stir more interest.
you're the second person here (the other one was Ugly) who connects this to biblical concepts and says that it doesn not exist or if it does then it would be damaging to a marriage.

Personally, the way I understand it, it would not be any more damaging than having a really good girl friend who takes you away from hubby evey now and then to go see a good movie, or just hang out.

I do think that men tend to see all relationships in a sexual dimension. They say a woman and man cannot be friends due to this aspect. To me, it's two totally different feelings, but I'm a girl ... so I guess it's different.

Anyway, you wrote a great post with a lot of information in it.

I read the Screwtape Letters. I can't remember the passage you wrote about, but I loved the book. I always said every teenager should read it. It would make the unseen world more real to them --- especially nowadays with all the doubt about God even existing.

I guess I could also say that I am kind of romantic and do think there's only one out there, maybe two -- but I don't think I could ever "settle" just to get married or have companionship.

Luckily for me I met my husband at an early age and we've had a very good marriage.
If Idid meet a soul mate I wouldn't find it threatening at all because my relationship is very strong and could not be changed.
I'm an old-fashioned kind of girl !

Thanks for a nice discourse.
Well I would agree not to get caught up with semantics, but the question becomes for me, "Do we believe love is a noun or is love a verb in Christ?" If love is a verb, we understand love is a choice that we work at, and not simply a finding of the one magical connection floating in the stratosphere somewhere, that God supplies to the pool of life in lottery-like fashion, while swimming thru life asking, "Will I get to run into that magical perfection today; will I get lucky; will God bless me?" And all along doubt any indifferences to our current relationships convicting them to second place in our hope of the right one sight unseen.It diverts us from our responsibilities and from our hope thru faith.

Let me step back one step, here, and also point out we need to have attraction toward one another in any pursuant relationship of life-partnershipping (even dating). Physical and mental connections. If there is no personality connection and physical attraction, certainly we need not pursue a marriage goal as it were. And as we date even I think we should consider each date as potential candidates for marriage and use a more diligent screening process in that as well.

Friendships are the only field then, which can hold this great friendship bond as well. But, I would call it a "great friendship" is all, and not a "soul-mate". As we debate the term soul-mate; whether it be a form of Marriage or whether it be a simple hardwired connection to friendship, I have difficulty defining the etymology of the term soul (our will, thinking, emotions: the distinction of our person) and mate (life-partner, spouse).

But, allow me to digress for a moment. You are right that there are other forms of that term "mate", some unbiblical, and some simply connectable in nature aside from marriage. So, to the semantics of the term I concede. But where I differ in opinion is I would simply call them a friend or compadre or the alike. Again, I see this term suggesting, by way of verbiage, a mystic thing that we find in the people we meet. God shows us we must chose and commit and work at love as a verb versus finding the right noun that will make our life grandiose thru chemistry, and happenstance alone.. In Scripture, we see love is a verb, from God to us, and from us to mankind and in all our categories of relationships; including friendships I see the devil in the details here I guess; Satan trying to get us to miss the mark of Christ in the meaning of this term and in the nature of Satan's diversions.

It is always a joy to discuss and discover with you, FranC, God's Word...May God richly bless us both with His Wisdom on this "soul-mate" gig.

 
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Katy-follower

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People who don't have it have a hard time believing in it.
Sort of like speaking in tongues...
It absolutely is real. I've experienced it. It's so special that it really *feels like* that person was made especially for you :)... like he's your Adam, and in some ways the male version of you. And there's such an intense intimacy, it makes me think of the rib that was taken from Adam.

This person understands you in a way no one else does, and it's the same for you. They get you. It feels like you can't hide anything from them, because you can read each other without saying a word. I agree, Fran - you could be in a room full of 200 people and it does feel like just the two of you standing there. Though you're two souls it *feels like* you're one.

Of course, the new age world will take this experience and add their own worldly spin on it, with all their discussions on soul mates and twin flames. Twin flames is this idea that two people share one soul, that this one soul split in half and then finally they each find each other and become "whole". But this has its roots in hinduism/buddhism I think?

There's nothing pagan about a strong soul connection with someone. It's real. So real that it will send you into shock when you meet this person so unexpectedly, and you're not expecting this strong connection. You just know them, despite only just meeting. And it's instantly love at first sight. Love at first sight IS real. See, people will say it doesn't exist, claiming it's only lust, but this is another one of those things that can't be proven, it has to be experienced for yourself.

This person feels like home. It doesn't matter how many renovations you do. Nothing will change the fact that home is this person, and not a place.

So, two souls connecting, not the pagan idea of two people sharing one soul. Biblically speaking, everyone has their own soul, and our souls belong to God.

Soul mates and love at first sight are not just romantic fairytales as some believe. They're very real experiences, and I hope others get to have these same experiences.

Ok, just poured some of my heart into this thread :)


Disclaimer :) : *the asterisks used above are to express the feeling, not claiming it as biblical fact*
 

Yeraza_Bats

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People can click together well, and feel totally natural around each other. But thats just having personalities that match as well as having similar mindsets. I mean, for example, if one person is hardcore racist and the other is not, they are clearly not going to be compatible, as one believes in something strongly that the other knows is wrong.

No one is "born" or "created" racist, its a choice they made in their life.

There is certainly not anything in the Bible that would lead me to believe that God made one mate for every person that existed, I mean look at His servants in the Bible, many of them were not married. On top of that, we are even told that for those who cant control urges of the flesh that they should marry, but that those who can control them, it is good not to marry. So I cant see why wed be told this if God truly wanted to pair every single person together.

I dont believe in a "soul mate", no. And I mean, really, the idea is odd, as almost everyone accepts that a relationship is not a fairy tail, that it takes work and sacrifice, and that there will be times of fighting and difficulty.

Could God pair two people together if He wanted to? I suppose, but He never said that He does such a thing for us.

If I were with someone like that, I would not call them my soul mate, as I feel it would be a wrong thing to do. But I would definitely call them my best friend.

EDIT- Also wanted to add that when Jesus' was asked about marriage in Heaven, He said that we would live "like the angels do", so I doubt that we have soul mates in heaven : p