Survival/Preppers

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HealthAndHappiness

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The 10 book series is 'Havoc in Wyoming' by Millie Copper.

I am unfamiliar with a lot of words but learning fast.

What are 'totes' to contain shopping? Just bags?
Wow, that's a long series. It sounds like it contains practical information.

I'm reading my post again. Did I say 'totes,' or are you asking about that term used in in the book?
 

MaryM

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Wow, that's a long series. It sounds like it contains practical information.

I'm reading my post again. Did I say 'totes,' or are you asking about that term used in in the book?
No just in the book are so many words which here in the UK we don't habitually use. We say shopping bags, not totes. But yes the novels are full of useful information.
 

HealthAndHappiness

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No just in the book are so many words which here in the UK we don't habitually use. We say shopping bags, not totes. But yes the novels are full of useful information.
I think you're right. We call them shopping bags here in the states too. I think that's what totes might be, a reusable bag.
 

MaryM

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The novel talks of e-coli and typhoid spreading, as well as concerted terrorist attacks.
So very basically, how would these diseases be spread?
 

JohnDB

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I think you're right. We call them shopping bags here in the states too. I think that's what totes might be, a reusable bag.
They are either a cloth/vinyl bag or a plastic bucket....both have a pair of handles.
 

JohnDB

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The novel talks of e-coli and typhoid spreading, as well as concerted terrorist attacks.
So very basically, how would these diseases be spread?
Lack of sanitation from human waste getting into fresh water supplies and a lack of hand washing or washing hands in contaminated water where human waste was deposited.

When someone urinated or defecate into fresh water it is contaminated until sanitized by any number of means like boiling or chemical sanitation or filtered.

Latrines (hole in the ground) need to be a minimum of 90 meters away from any fresh water supply.

When the first settlers came to America to establish a colony one of their priorities was setting up a brewery because drinking fresh water was not ever done. (They certainly didn't)

All of the wells, streams, rivers and etc in Europe in all the villages contained fecal contamination to some degree. Mostly because of livestock and human waste. Street Gutters would literally flow into the town's water supply. (Which is where chamber pots and etc were emptied....not to mention horses were regularly used)

And if city sewer services are defunct, not working etc....they tend to overflow back into the river or wells from which your water supplies come from.
 

Lynx

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Lack of sanitation from human waste getting into fresh water supplies and a lack of hand washing or washing hands in contaminated water where human waste was deposited.

When someone urinated or defecate into fresh water it is contaminated until sanitized by any number of means like boiling or chemical sanitation or filtered.

Latrines (hole in the ground) need to be a minimum of 90 meters away from any fresh water supply.

When the first settlers came to America to establish a colony one of their priorities was setting up a brewery because drinking fresh water was not ever done. (They certainly didn't)

All of the wells, streams, rivers and etc in Europe in all the villages contained fecal contamination to some degree. Mostly because of livestock and human waste. Street Gutters would literally flow into the town's water supply. (Which is where chamber pots and etc were emptied....not to mention horses were regularly used)

And if city sewer services are defunct, not working etc....they tend to overflow back into the river or wells from which your water supplies come from.
That's a BLEEP of a post to read right after I ate breakfast. :p
 

JohnDB

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That's a BLEEP of a post to read right after I ate breakfast. :p
I get it...
Unfortunately it is broadly accepted history and truth. Unappetizing to say the least. But today the USA usually has really good fresh water on tap. Some other countries in rural (and even urban) locations do not. I've been to these places....it's a 50/50 for truly drinkable water on tap.
 

Lynx

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I get it...
Unfortunately it is broadly accepted history and truth. Unappetizing to say the least. But today the USA usually has really good fresh water on tap. Some other countries in rural (and even urban) locations do not. I've been to these places....it's a 50/50 for truly drinkable water on tap.
I know it's true. Just... Urp!
 

JohnDB

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I know it's true. Just... Urp!
One of the places I visited in Honduras had the latrines literally 10 feet from the well. Of course I only drank bottled water and waited for a shower that wouldn't be filled with contaminants and either freeze or scald me depending upon how I turned the portable shower knows.

They meant well but just didn't really pull it off right.
 

MaryM

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Lack of sanitation from human waste getting into fresh water supplies and a lack of hand washing or washing hands in contaminated water where human waste was deposited.

When someone urinated or defecate into fresh water it is contaminated until sanitized by any number of means like boiling or chemical sanitation or filtered.

Latrines (hole in the ground) need to be a minimum of 90 meters away from any fresh water supply.

When the first settlers came to America to establish a colony one of their priorities was setting up a brewery because drinking fresh water was not ever done. (They certainly didn't)

All of the wells, streams, rivers and etc in Europe in all the villages contained fecal contamination to some degree. Mostly because of livestock and human waste. Street Gutters would literally flow into the town's water supply. (Which is where chamber pots and etc were emptied....not to mention horses were regularly used)

And if city sewer services are defunct, not working etc....they tend to overflow back into the river or wells from which your water supplies come from.
Delightful!
 

MaryM

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I guess I meant how
I suspect covid will come in as many variants as most suckers will believe, plus one.
Many have died from covid, I think their loved ones are in no doubt that it is real.
 

JohnDB

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I guess I meant how

Many have died from covid, I think their loved ones are in no doubt that it is real.
Also permanently disabled because solely of the effects of the virus they were scared to get vaccinated against.
 

cv5

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Also permanently disabled because solely of the effects of the virus they were scared to get vaccinated against.
Let everyone who is against medical informed consent (and support vaccine tyranny) raise their right hand.
 

JohnDB

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Let everyone who is against medical informed consent (and support vaccine tyranny) raise their right hand.
That would not be me....I'm raising my left hand in an ugly gesture.
 

Lynx

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That would not be me....I'm raising my left hand in an ugly gesture.
Quote from a book I once read:

"If your weird camera glasses let you see behind your head, what am I doing right now?"

"Making a moderately rude gesture. And that fingernail needs trimming."
 

Moses_Young

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I guess I meant how

Many have died from covid, I think their loved ones are in no doubt that it is real.
The symptoms are real. The virus is not. Until people stop believing it is a virus, the government will keep inventing new bogeymen-viruses to keep them in fear. Once they realise it's not a virus but is essentially government sponsored murder - I'm fairly sure the government will quickly go quiet.
 

Lynx

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The symptoms are real. The virus is not. Until people stop believing it is a virus, the government will keep inventing new bogeymen-viruses to keep them in fear. Once they realise it's not a virus but is essentially government sponsored murder - I'm fairly sure the government will quickly go quiet.
Yet you sound so pleasant and logical and... sane in some other threads. o_O

The whole "our own government will use bioweapons against us" plot has been used in many science fiction stories and video games. Deus Ex is probably the most popular, with their nanite-based "Gray Death" and the "Ambrosia" vaccine that only important people like state governors get, which turns out to be a nanite end-cap that neutralizes the nanites. It is reasonable to expect some people to believe it is really happening when a real life pandemic rolls through.

But the lengths you folks have gone to... Geez louise!