The Earth is flat? It's a circular flat disk surrounded by a wall of ice?

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1still_waters

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You had me worried for a moment Stilly

If I ride a boat to the end of the earth, can I fish off the side, or will the water drag me off the earth?
Apparently a thick wall of ice keeps us from falling off
 
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wwjd_kilden

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#42
aaaah. How tall is it? Ice- climbing sounds fun
 
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AVoiceintheWilderness

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#44
This is your world from above, the world God created:



This is your world, the world God created, from the side:



The phenomena of The Rainbow:

The perfect arch of a rainbow proves the shape of the domed firmament. Try and reproduce a rainbow like this without a light-reflecting arch/dome above it.



This shape has nothing whatsoever to do with water droplets being spherical. As a matter of fact, water droplets are rarely perfectly spherical due to being in constant motion. Just watch some slow motion clips of water dropping and splashing, etc. They are only round/spherical for very short periods of time.

A rainbow does not waver, wobble or stretch and reconstitute its arch constantly like water droplets do. A rainbow is a stable, unwavering arch just exactly like the surface above it that is reflecting the sun's light to create the rainbow. The sun is 'INSIDE' the domed firmament. Its light shines up onto the underside of the firmament and reflects back down in the exact shape of the firmament itself. (see image 2 above)

Rainbow 'COLORS' are easy to create at home, but a perfect arched rainbow cannot be recreated without a perfectly arched surface above it to reflect the light into that shape.

The sun and moon:

The sun and moon are both 'INSIDE' the firmament, not outside of it.

(Gen. 1:14) And God said, Let there be lights 'IN' the firmament of the heaven.....



They sun and moon circle overhead like the hands of a clock. Interestingly, that is where the concept of a clock first originated.



They both give off 'their own' light.

(Gen. 1:16) And God made two great lights;.....
(Matt. 24:29) ....and the moon shall not give her light....
(Mark 13:29) ....and the moon shall not give her light....
(Isa. 13:10) ....and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

The fascinating phenomena of the Night-Blooming Flower:







Why do they bloom only at night?

Because they are activated by 'Moonlight', NOT sunlight. On the contrary, the petals of these amazing flowers actually 'CLOSE' the moment any sunlight touches them.

How is this possible if the moon is simply a rock in space that is reflecting sunlight?

It is not. The Bible states very clearly that the moon gives "its own light" and that is 'INSIDE' the firmament.

If these flowers were only reacting to 'reflected' light from the sun, they would have to bloom at some point during the daytime and would not 'CLOSE' upon the slightest illumination from the sun.

The constant and unmoving North Star......Polaris.




These are just a few beautiful images of Polaris, the North Star, surrounded by every other star and constellation in creation. Polaris...NEVER....moves. It is always at the exact same point in the sky all year round 24/7, 365.

You can prove this to yourself very easily. First, find Polaris via the Big Dipper, if possible. Then find a place in your yard or near your home where you can clearly see Polaris and mark a place on the ground, or remember where to stand, where you can see Polaris directly beside an object of reference that will never move, like the corner/edge of your roof, the tip of a telephone/electric pole or off the edge of a large tree limb, etc. The idea is to stand in the exact same spot and look over, around or beside the permanent structure and find the star. It is a good idea to find multiple places in your yard like this so that you can prove to yourself from multiple angles that the star is not moving.

Look for this star in these places every night you think of it for an entire year or more. You will discover that it never, EVER, moves.

Why is this significant? Because if Earth is a planet in space that is spinning 1000 miles per hour on a 'fixed' axis of its own while also rotating hundreds of thousands of miles around the sun at 67,000 mph AND the entire galaxy is hurdling through space at some 515,000 miles per hour, there is absolutely no way that this star would stay in the exact same spot in our view all year round. Not to mention, our constellations have not changed their pattern in thousands of years.

There are many, many other proofs of the Biblical world that God created and the Bible describes, these are just a few.

Pray for the blessing of spiritual sight and ask God to open your eyes to the truth of these things.

As I have demonstrated, all of this information is 100% observable and testable and none of it is theoretical.

If you are a Bible-believing Christian, this is the world your God has created and described to you in His Word.

The Truth is all around you. And it is an absolutely BEATIFUL Truth and a breathtakingly beautiful world.

All Glory to our God and Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

God bless you all.
 

abcdef

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This is your world from above, the world God created:



This is your world, the world God created, from the side:



The phenomena of The Rainbow:

The perfect arch of a rainbow proves the shape of the domed firmament. Try and reproduce a rainbow like this without a light-reflecting arch/dome above it.



This shape has nothing whatsoever to do with water droplets being spherical. As a matter of fact, water droplets are rarely perfectly spherical due to being in constant motion. Just watch some slow motion clips of water dropping and splashing, etc. They are only round/spherical for very short periods of time.

A rainbow does not waver, wobble or stretch and reconstitute its arch constantly like water droplets do. A rainbow is a stable, unwavering arch just exactly like the surface above it that is reflecting the sun's light to create the rainbow. The sun is 'INSIDE' the domed firmament. Its light shines up onto the underside of the firmament and reflects back down in the exact shape of the firmament itself. (see image 2 above)

Rainbow 'COLORS' are easy to create at home, but a perfect arched rainbow cannot be recreated without a perfectly arched surface above it to reflect the light into that shape.

The sun and moon:

The sun and moon are both 'INSIDE' the firmament, not outside of it.

(Gen. 1:14) And God said, Let there be lights 'IN' the firmament of the heaven.....



They sun and moon circle overhead like the hands of a clock. Interestingly, that is where the concept of a clock first originated.



They both give off 'their own' light.

(Gen. 1:16) And God made two great lights;.....
(Matt. 24:29) ....and the moon shall not give her light....
(Mark 13:29) ....and the moon shall not give her light....
(Isa. 13:10) ....and the moon shall not cause her light to shine.

The fascinating phenomena of the Night-Blooming Flower:







Why do they bloom only at night?

Because they are activated by 'Moonlight', NOT sunlight. On the contrary, the petals of these amazing flowers actually 'CLOSE' the moment any sunlight touches them.

How is this possible if the moon is simply a rock in space that is reflecting sunlight?

It is not. The Bible states very clearly that the moon gives "its own light" and that is 'INSIDE' the firmament.

If these flowers were only reacting to 'reflected' light from the sun, they would have to bloom at some point during the daytime and would not 'CLOSE' upon the slightest illumination from the sun.

The constant and unmoving North Star......Polaris.




These are just a few beautiful images of Polaris, the North Star, surrounded by every other star and constellation in creation. Polaris...NEVER....moves. It is always at the exact same point in the sky all year round 24/7, 365.

You can prove this to yourself very easily. First, find Polaris via the Big Dipper, if possible. Then find a place in your yard or near your home where you can clearly see Polaris and mark a place on the ground, or remember where to stand, where you can see Polaris directly beside an object of reference that will never move, like the corner/edge of your roof, the tip of a telephone/electric pole or off the edge of a large tree limb, etc. The idea is to stand in the exact same spot and look over, around or beside the permanent structure and find the star. It is a good idea to find multiple places in your yard like this so that you can prove to yourself from multiple angles that the star is not moving.

Look for this star in these places every night you think of it for an entire year or more. You will discover that it never, EVER, moves.

Why is this significant? Because if Earth is a planet in space that is spinning 1000 miles per hour on a 'fixed' axis of its own while also rotating hundreds of thousands of miles around the sun at 67,000 mph AND the entire galaxy is hurdling through space at some 515,000 miles per hour, there is absolutely no way that this star would stay in the exact same spot in our view all year round. Not to mention, our constellations have not changed their pattern in thousands of years.

There are many, many other proofs of the Biblical world that God created and the Bible describes, these are just a few.

Pray for the blessing of spiritual sight and ask God to open your eyes to the truth of these things.

As I have demonstrated, all of this information is 100% observable and testable and none of it is theoretical.

If you are a Bible-believing Christian, this is the world your God has created and described to you in His Word.

The Truth is all around you. And it is an absolutely BEATIFUL Truth and a breathtakingly beautiful world.

All Glory to our God and Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

God bless you all.
I'm thinking the moon is made of cheese,

Prove me wrong!

I think that it is swiss cheese, because of the holes.
 
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AVoiceintheWilderness

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How do you explain ballistic effects above vs below the equator?

With a flat earth wouldn't the effects be similar?

(Coriolis)
Yes, they are more than similar. They are exactly the same.

The Coriolis Effect is one of 'many' absolute lies of Science.

It can easily be proven wrong in your own home. If you look closely underneath the inside edge of your toilet bowl while flushing the water, you will see that the water comes out to either one direction or the other. Therefore the spin is directly related to the direction that the water comes out from underneath that lip.

Run your bathroom sink faucet on high for a few seconds, then turn off the faucet and watch as the water spins down the drain. Do this 5-10 times and you will see that it will spin in opposite directions at least once or twice. You can also take a large cup of water or a pitcher and pour it at an angle so as to create opposite spins and the water will continue in that direction until it is completely down the drain.

More often than not, my sink will drain clockwise while my toilet drains counter-clockwise. They are 4 feet away from each other in the same room, and I promise the equator does not run through the middle of my bathroom.

Having said all that, to answer your question:

"How do you explain ballistic (Coriolis) effects above vs below the equator?"

I don't.

There are way too many Pseudo-Scientific arguments against the world that is presented in the Bible. It's just not worth my time to address them all.

I just like to present the really interesting aspects of the world that coincide with the Bible. I think it's fascinating and I'm mostly interested in reaching those who also find it fascinating.

Debates are a complete waste of time and only entertaining for the scientific-minded person.

Science is the enemy of Truth. Debates don't ever accomplish anything and are fueled by pride and competitive spirit. In God's world, there is only Truth and Lies, good vs evil. It is only in the modern world that intellectuals compete in battles of wits to see who has retained more scientific propaganda over the duration of their lifetimes, while the Bible plainly states that wisdom comes directly from God.

Solomon tells us in Proverbs that the very beginning of knowledge and wisdom is the fear of the Lord. Yet, to the scientific-minded, this is an immediate disqualification. For the mere consideration of God completely contradicts science as a whole.

(Prov. 1:7) The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and instruction.
(Prov. 9:10) The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, And the knowledge of the Holy One is understanding.

God blinds the eyes and hardens the hearts of the unbeliever. Thus, there is nothing I or anyone else can say or do to 'MAKE' anyone see things any way other than that which God has allowed them to, based on 'His' assessment of their hearts and minds.

Unless your faith allows you to see God's Truth, you will not be able to see it, even though you are completely submerged in it each and every day.
 
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Grandpa

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Well I suppose it is just my problem then.

I like shooting and I've done some research on long distance shooting. Some of the corrections that have to be made in ballistics don't make sense if the earth isn't spherical and if it isn't spinning.

I don't think it matters, ballistically speaking, if the earth is actually fixed in space or moving around. Just spherical and spinning.

If I had the time and money I would perform my own experiments. But I don't. So all I have is conjecture. And ballistic books.
 
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AVoiceintheWilderness

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Well I suppose it is just my problem then.

I like shooting and I've done some research on long distance shooting. Some of the corrections that have to be made in ballistics don't make sense if the earth isn't spherical and if it isn't spinning.

I don't think it matters, ballistically speaking, if the earth is actually fixed in space or moving around. Just spherical and spinning.

If I had the time and money I would perform my own experiments. But I don't. So all I have is conjecture. And ballistic books.
Grandpa, I have to tell ya. I'm very familiar with firearm ballistics and have done a good bit of study and shooting, myself.

One thing to remember about long distance shooting is that most rifle barrels are 'CUT' with a right-hand spin inside the barrel. This factors in hugely when considering wind drift, bullet rise and fall, etc. The thing many people don't realize, not you necessarily, is that this spin works exactly the same whether you are considering bullets, baseballs, Frisbees, golf balls, billiard balls, etc.

If you spin the projectile to one side, it will tend to drift in that direction, if not acted upon by an additional force; wind, objects, etc.

Some rifles are actually cut with a left-hand spin for special purposes which will change the results of the 'Dope' entirely.

I have heard of the sniper's need to factor in the spin of the earth, but I believe it is likely a mathematical equation that is factored in that negates itself.

Have you heard of the concept that an airplane could not land on a North-South runway without crashing if the earth is spinning at 1000 mph? There are many professional pilots who are admittedly astonished to admit this is true. There is no way a plane can slow to landing speed and land on a runway that is moving east to west below them at 1000 mph. It's just one of those common sense things that nobody really ever thinks about, yet cannot be denied.
 

Grandpa

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Spin drift would be pretty much a constant as long as your ammo is fairly uniform. And for shooting long distances would have to be taken into account.

What I was talking about is the correction that needs to be made depending on if you are shooting north, south, east or west. And if you are north or south of the equator.

I call it coriolis correction because that is the term that is commonly used. I suppose it shows up more in artillery than it would small arms. But still, for really long range shots, shooters do take it into account.

I've never heard of airplanes that couldn't land on a north-south runway. It might give me a headache trying to figure that one out... lol
 
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AVoiceintheWilderness

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Spin drift would be pretty much a constant as long as your ammo is fairly uniform. And for shooting long distances would have to be taken into account.

What I was talking about is the correction that needs to be made depending on if you are shooting north, south, east or west. And if you are north or south of the equator.

I call it coriolis correction because that is the term that is commonly used. I suppose it shows up more in artillery than it would small arms. But still, for really long range shots, shooters do take it into account.

I've never heard of airplanes that couldn't land on a north-south runway. It might give me a headache trying to figure that one out... lol
This thread I will link to below is actually a pretty humorous thread, to me, concerning exactly what you are referring to.

This poor guy is racking his brain trying to figure out why his Ballistics equations for a .50 Cal are not panning out in reference to the "Coriolis" effect, and NOBODY can tell him why.

Wanna take a guess why?

Because there 'IS' no Coriolis effect. The Earth is NOT spinning.

That's the point of the plane vs runway scenario. No plane EVER has trouble landing on a North-South runway because the Earth is NOT spinning at 1000 mph like Science SAYS it is.

Here's the Ballistics thread:

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/coriolis-effect-on-projectiles.174676/
 
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AVoiceintheWilderness

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More proof:

Science says the sun is 93 Million miles away. You sure about that?

Law Enforcement and Military professionals know that laser aiming devices can be detrimental to the user in a combat situation because the laser beams always point directly back to their source, potentially giving away the position of the combatant who is using the laser.




Same with rays of sunlight. They will always point directly back to their source.

So, if the sun is 93 million miles away, I wonder what rays of light like this could be pointing at.



Oh, SURPRISE!! It 'IS' the sun! Who knew?



Must be the sun of the Bible and not the sun that science describes 93 MILLION MILES AWAY.

If it were the sun that science describes, so many millions of miles away, these rays would all be absolutely straight up and down/vertical as far as the eye could see, east to west.



But that's certainly NOT what we're seeing, here, is it? Almost every single ray is at a different angle because the sun is, in reality, much, MUCH closer than science would like us to believe.

Again, these are all completely observable, testable phenomena that you can see for yourself over and over and over in your very own environment.

Enjoy the beautiful world that your wonderful God and Father created just for His special creation.

And don't forget, the most wonderful thing about this model of the world is how much closer it proves God to be.



Instead of Him being way out there somewhere in endless space, light years, solar systems and galaxies away, He is actually right above us, where He has been all along, just above the firmament that He put in place to protect us and keep His eye on us all our lives until He calls us home to be with Him forever and ever.

He is a good, good Father. ;)

God bless.
 

Tommy379

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More proof:

Science says the sun is 93 Million miles away. You sure about that?

Law Enforcement and Military professionals know that laser aiming devices can be detrimental to the user in a combat situation because the laser beams always point directly back to their source, potentially giving away the position of the combatant who is using the laser.




Same with rays of sunlight. They will always point directly back to their source.

So, if the sun is 93 million miles away, I wonder what rays of light like this could be pointing at.



Oh, SURPRISE!! It 'IS' the sun! Who knew?



Must be the sun of the Bible and not the sun that science describes 93 MILLION MILES AWAY.

If it were the sun that science describes, so many millions of miles away, these rays would all be absolutely straight up and down/vertical as far as the eye could see, east to west.



But that's certainly NOT what we're seeing, here, is it? Almost every single ray is at a different angle because the sun is, in reality, much, MUCH closer than science would like us to believe.

Again, these are all completely observable, testable phenomena that you can see for yourself over and over and over in your very own environment.

Enjoy the beautiful world that your wonderful God and Father created just for His special creation.

And don't forget, the most wonderful thing about this model of the world is how much closer it proves God to be.



Instead of Him being way out there somewhere in endless space, light years, solar systems and galaxies away, He is actually right above us, where He has been all along, just above the firmament that He put in place to protect us and keep His eye on us all our lives until He calls us home to be with Him forever and ever.

He is a good, good Father. ;)

God bless.
The light is being diffused through the clouds. The planet is still round.
 
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AVoiceintheWilderness

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The light is being diffused through the clouds. The planet is still round.
Well that's a shame.












Round, yes.

Spherical? No.

So the clouds are "diffusing" the light into perfectly straight lines that point directly back to their source?

So the clouds now have a numerous-sided 'Prism' effect?

Nope.

Clouds are rounded gaseous water droplet filled bodies that have absolutely zero straight angles or sharp edges anywhere in their water droplet structure.

Try again.

And this time, pray for guidance from your Creator.

Remember, you're not arguing with 'ME', you're arguing with 'Him' and His Word, the Bible.

Good luck and God bless.

P.S. It's not a planet, it's a plane. Take the 'T' off the end and you'll see what everyone knew for thousands of years before we were all graced with modern Sci-fi-ence.
 
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posthuman

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Clouds are rounded gaseous water droplet filled bodies that have absolutely zero straight angles or sharp edges anywhere in their water droplet structure.

doesn't seem so round?

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here's the thing, Mack:

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you're spreading lies here, because you've been listening to a lot of slick liars.
that's unbecoming to our faith.
 

posthuman

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what goes on:

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Tommy379

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The air we breath diffuses the light from the sun also. Thats why the light shines upon us like a flood instead of a spot light. Its also why there is still light after the sun is not visible below the horizon.
 
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AVoiceintheWilderness

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These responses are so typical of those brainwashed by science.

On the one hand, scientists tell us the rainbow is arched due to the spherical nature of water droplets, which I have already explained is absolutely wrong.

On the other hand, Skeletor says the water droplets actually bend light in STRAIGHT lines like a prism. Of course they do! NOT.

I mean it's whatever fits your purpose, right scientists?

And by the way, PH, your pic example of a rainbow in the yard only proved MY point. You cannot recreate a perfectly arched rainbow without a perfect, light-reflecting arch above it of some kind.

Yeah, the domed firmament is above our yards when we're out watering our lawns. Now try that indoors.

And the curved rainbow refracted through the clear glass of water? Yeah, the glass is round and that's hardly a raised, arched rainbow like we see outdoors under the firmament.

Thanks for the help.

Tommy, diffusing light and bending it into perfectly straight angles like a prism are two totally different effects.

And the reason the sun shines more like a flood lamp than a spotlight is because it is spherical, not a flat-faced projection-like bulb. That'd be the reason we can still have light in the sky after the sun has passed beyond our visible distance. Also because of the firmament reflecting the light.