The Gun Thread

[shittim]

the 50 would allow a person to shoot sabots.
Our gunsmith at the prison had a customer load a TC with modern powder, on the third shot the stock broke, he sent it in
and TC replaced the stock and returned it with a letter advising him to explain the difference between black powder and modern powder to the customer.
blessings

 

[hornetguy]

the 50 would allow a person to shoot sabots.
Our gunsmith at the prison had a customer load a TC with modern powder, on the third shot the stock broke, he sent it in
and TC replaced the stock and returned it with a letter advising him to explain the difference between black powder and modern powder to the customer.
blessings

Yes.... I had sabots for the .54 also, but never even tried em... Doesn't the 50 cal sabot use .44 cal bullets? IIRC?

 

[shittim]

44 or 45, I would have to do some research, my friend with a knight hit a deer with one, the wound channel was devastating,
like a cone shape from where it went in to the exit, it went down and stayed down.

 

[hornetguy]

I imagine it would be very efficient.

Using smokeless powder in a black powder gun is a recipe for an explosion.... scary stuff.

I never really liked Pyrodex, it was too slow to ignite. Black powder went bang immediately. There are some new ones now, but I haven't tried any of them.

 

[oldethennew]

here's something that I would like to share with all of the REAL hunters/out-doorsman and those that are
very knowable about wild-life, and love and appreciate it; this is about our generational 'wild-turkeys', -
well, I already told you about the generational clans that have been a part of our lives for decades, and yes,
we do 'feed' them' out in the back pasture, for many years - anyway, today, after hub and left to do some business,
when I got up and looked out the kitchen window, there were, and I know this for sure, as I stayed
and counted as they made their way out of the back yard into the pasture and on to where ever they go,
as I was 'counting' the jakes, for they are here right now eating the berries from the camphor trees,
right in our immediate back yard,,,
they seem to really love them, anyway, as I was trying to get an accurate count, because they always
spread out, after I had counted about 20, and they were moving south, for greener pastures, I noticed
something very peculiar, I saw some feathers sticking out from the base of the trees, and low and behold,
I couldn't believe my eyes, there was a mature 'rooster', in full bloom/beauty, with multiple black tail feathers and a
big body with light brown and dark brown body feathers, he was actually being accepted by all of those
huge males, eating the berries, and scratching around just like he belonged right where he was, and as they
began to move on with the 'hugest-lead male', he was about in the middle and was acting like he was
just part of the clan, with no stress or concern.. they had completely accepted him into the fold.
it was actually a hoot, and when they were stalling for the rest to catch up, he was just standing there
in the middle of all of them, waiting for the younger jakes to realize that they were lagging to long
and had to catch up...it really was amazing to watch that they would actually accept a rooster into the clan...
do you all think God is teaching me something that I don't know, or just showing me how Loving and Kind
that He is??? I will never forget this moment in time that He shared with just me, it's just one of so many,
and so very touchingly sweet to be a part of such a genuine Godly sharing of something so natural...

 

[shittim]

He really does delight in giving us the desires of our heart, that is what I get out of many things I see in nature, and the rest of my time here.
I would go back to Him on something like this and ask what He wants me to learn from it, usually takes a day or two of staying in fellowship with him and He will pop the answer in my mind in the unmistakable way He does.
Praise G-d and thank you for sharing.

 

[hornetguy]

My wife and I are looking for a handgun for her... at her request. (no, our relationship is still good...)

She used to have a stainless snub Taurus .38 special. She liked it ok, I guess, but didn't shoot it much. She thought the recoil was a bit more than she "enjoyed".

I'm thinking that a moderate sized .380 would be good for her... we looked at a Kahr CT380, and a Walther PK380... along with a few other, smaller 380's.

We want what is probably an impossible combination of qualities. We want it to be light enough to be comfortable for her to use, with a slide that is easy to operate. An external safety would be good. Manageable recoil level. And, of course, a price close to $300. She doesn't want to invest much more than that. I have no problem with it, but I think she'll veto anything much over about $350.

She could not operate the slide on the Kahr, but loved the feel and size of it. The Walther slide was no problem for her to operate, but the paddle style magazine release was confusing for her. We even saw a used Glock 42, but it didn't appeal to her for some reason.

We plan to go rent some at an indoor range here, and try a few different ones before making the decision. I'm going to let her try my TCP, to see if it kicks too hard for her. If it does not, then that will put quite a few more guns in contention.

 

[Huckleberry]

My wife and I are looking for a handgun for her... at her request. (no, our relationship is still good...)

She used to have a stainless snub Taurus .38 special. She liked it ok, I guess, but didn't shoot it much. She thought the recoil was a bit more than she "enjoyed".

I'm thinking that a moderate sized .380 would be good for her... we looked at a Kahr CT380, and a Walther PK380... along with a few other, smaller 380's.

We want what is probably an impossible combination of qualities. We want it to be light enough to be comfortable for her to use, with a slide that is easy to operate. An external safety would be good. Manageable recoil level. And, of course, a price close to $300. She doesn't want to invest much more than that. I have no problem with it, but I think she'll veto anything much over about $350.

She could not operate the slide on the Kahr, but loved the feel and size of it. The Walther slide was no problem for her to operate, but the paddle style magazine release was confusing for her. We even saw a used Glock 42, but it didn't appeal to her for some reason.

We plan to go rent some at an indoor range here, and try a few different ones before making the decision. I'm going to let her try my TCP, to see if it kicks too hard for her. If it does not, then that will put quite a few more guns in contention.

Again, I'm a K.I.S.S. kind of guy.
No way I'd trust any .380 for protection, and especially not
one with an external safety to add confusion to the equation.
Sig P225 in 9mm.
Just buy it for her for Christmas and she won't be able to veto it, right?

https://www.sigsauer.com/store/p225-a1-nitron-compact.html

 

[hornetguy]

Again, I'm a K.I.S.S. kind of guy.
No way I'd trust any .380 for protection, and especially not
one with an external safety to add confusion to the equation.
Sig P225 in 9mm.
Just buy it for her for Christmas and she won't be able to veto it, right?

https://www.sigsauer.com/store/p225-a1-nitron-compact.html

I understand what you are saying.... I hear those arguments a lot.

What you would use for self defense, and what I would use for self defense is really sort of moot in this case. We are talking about a 64 yr old petite woman, with very little grip strength, and the beginning stages of arthritis in her hands.

If a person cannot operated the slide to charge the pistol, it's not going to be very effective for SD. If the muzzle blast and recoil are too painful, the person is not going to shoot it enough to become proficient with it.

I am also a KISS kind of guy. In some ways, the safety could simplify the situation. Years ago, I got her a Colt Gov't model .380, right after they first came out. I LOVED it. She liked it ok, but when I would ask her to tell me if it was loaded or not, she couldn't consistently do it. She didn't spend enough time shooting it for it to become second nature to check it. I traded it off.

If she had a pistol that was kept "cocked and locked", the only thing she would have to remember to do is take off the safety, and pull the trigger..... effectively making it safer than a revolver. With a higher capacity.

You should watch some of the videos of ballistic testing of the .380.... while not as effective as the 9mm is (in gelatin), it is WAY better than harsh words or a stick. I trust my life to it, because I know what I'm capable of with my little pocket pistol. I also have a couple of 9mm's that I trust, and a .45 that I trust.

Shoot... I have a couple of .22 pistols I'd trust my life to. 10 rounds of .22 rimfire in about a 5" circle in about a second and a half is nothing to sneeze at.

 

[EarnestQ]

My wife and I are looking for a handgun for her... at her request. (no, our relationship is still good...)

She used to have a stainless snub Taurus .38 special. She liked it ok, I guess, but didn't shoot it much. She thought the recoil was a bit more than she "enjoyed".

I'm thinking that a moderate sized .380 would be good for her... we looked at a Kahr CT380, and a Walther PK380... along with a few other, smaller 380's.

We want what is probably an impossible combination of qualities. We want it to be light enough to be comfortable for her to use, with a slide that is easy to operate. An external safety would be good. Manageable recoil level. And, of course, a price close to $300. She doesn't want to invest much more than that. I have no problem with it, but I think she'll veto anything much over about $350.

She could not operate the slide on the Kahr, but loved the feel and size of it. The Walther slide was no problem for her to operate, but the paddle style magazine release was confusing for her. We even saw a used Glock 42, but it didn't appeal to her for some reason.

We plan to go rent some at an indoor range here, and try a few different ones before making the decision. I'm going to let her try my TCP, to see if it kicks too hard for her. If it does not, then that will put quite a few more guns in contention.

Look into the SCCY CPX-3 and the Taurus Spectrum.

 

[shittim]

The North American arms tiny 22 revolvers are interesting, I have a couple and enjoy them for carry. As far as beginning Arthur, there are things we can do, supplements I use are more vitamin D, fish oil, Turmeric, a few years ago my knuckles were starting to swell, seems to have gone away, reversed and did not progress, not sure what did it, maybe all the vitamin "stuff" I take, that and the goodness of G-d to heal , Christ paid for it at the atonement.
Loading down the 38 might be an option, the old 38 S&W was a really slow round that did work well, loading to that speed would be a comfortable option for her.
blessings

 

[17Bees]

I understand what you are saying.... I hear those arguments a lot.

What you would use for self defense, and what I would use for self defense is really sort of moot in this case. We are talking about a 64 yr old petite woman, with very little grip strength, and the beginning stages of arthritis in her hands.

If a person cannot operated the slide to charge the pistol, it's not going to be very effective for SD. If the muzzle blast and recoil are too painful, the person is not going to shoot it enough to become proficient with it.

I am also a KISS kind of guy. In some ways, the safety could simplify the situation. Years ago, I got her a Colt Gov't model .380, right after they first came out. I LOVED it. She liked it ok, but when I would ask her to tell me if it was loaded or not, she couldn't consistently do it. She didn't spend enough time shooting it for it to become second nature to check it. I traded it off.

If she had a pistol that was kept "cocked and locked", the only thing she would have to remember to do is take off the safety, and pull the trigger..... effectively making it safer than a revolver. With a higher capacity.

You should watch some of the videos of ballistic testing of the .380.... while not as effective as the 9mm is (in gelatin), it is WAY better than harsh words or a stick. I trust my life to it, because I know what I'm capable of with my little pocket pistol. I also have a couple of 9mm's that I trust, and a .45 that I trust.

Shoot... I have a couple of .22 pistols I'd trust my life to. 10 rounds of .22 rimfire in about a 5" circle in about a second and a half is nothing to sneeze at.

A 38 small revolver has a bit of kick and can't blame your wife much for not shooting it much. I like Kahr's CM9. It's practically just like the PM9 but only comes with 1 clip and the rest has to do with alloy and whatnot, but the CM9 is like half as much as the PM9 and basically the same gun.

It is just a little bit wider than the 380 only adjusted for the 9mm and the barrel, if I were to guess, is about maybe 1/2" longer if that. It's machined well, works smooth, and I'd recommend a pocket holster with the trigger guard. Just my .2

 

[zeroturbulence]

here's something that I would like to share with all of the REAL hunters/out-doorsman and those that are
very knowable about wild-life, and love and appreciate it; this is about our generational 'wild-turkeys', -
well, I already told you about the generational clans that have been a part of our lives for decades, and yes,
we do 'feed' them' out in the back pasture, for many years - anyway, today, after hub and left to do some business,
when I got up and looked out the kitchen window, there were, and I know this for sure, as I stayed
and counted as they made their way out of the back yard into the pasture and on to where ever they go,
as I was 'counting' the jakes, for they are here right now eating the berries from the camphor trees,
right in our immediate back yard,,,
they seem to really love them, anyway, as I was trying to get an accurate count, because they always
spread out, after I had counted about 20, and they were moving south, for greener pastures, I noticed
something very peculiar, I saw some feathers sticking out from the base of the trees, and low and behold,
I couldn't believe my eyes, there was a mature 'rooster', in full bloom/beauty, with multiple black tail feathers and a
big body with light brown and dark brown body feathers, he was actually being accepted by all of those
huge males, eating the berries, and scratching around just like he belonged right where he was, and as they
began to move on with the 'hugest-lead male', he was about in the middle and was acting like he was
just part of the clan, with no stress or concern.. they had completely accepted him into the fold.
it was actually a hoot, and when they were stalling for the rest to catch up, he was just standing there
in the middle of all of them, waiting for the younger jakes to realize that they were lagging to long
and had to catch up...it really was amazing to watch that they would actually accept a rooster into the clan...
do you all think God is teaching me something that I don't know, or just showing me how Loving and Kind
that He is??? I will never forget this moment in time that He shared with just me, it's just one of so many,
and so very touchingly sweet to be a part of such a genuine Godly sharing of something so natural...

That's a beautiful story.

 

[hornetguy]

Look into the SCCY CPX-3 and the Taurus Spectrum.

I like both of those, but nobody has either of them for sale yet.... I'd like to get one of the Spectrums to compare it to my TCP, and I'm really interested in the SCCY for my wife. Just can't find them....

 

[mailmandan]

Bass Pro is usually a little higher than other retailers, like Academy Sports, even Cabela's (now owned by Bass Pro)

You should check out any gun shows in your area... sometimes they have pretty good prices there, as well.

Well, I took your advice and checked out Academy Sports. I finally bought a S&W M&P Shield 2.0 (new for 2018). I also bought a pistol cleaning kit. My wife and I both really liked that pistol! Academy Sports was the cheapest (except for a shooting range within 30 miles where it was on sale for $2 cheaper) and Academy Sports has a policy that if you find the same item priced lower within 50 miles, they will match it and give you an additional 5% discount! Of course I went that route.

Now I need to buy ammo. I saw some 147 grain hollow points for $14.99 a box. That would be great for home protection! For target practice, 115 grain seems to be a popular choice. I was advised to stick with brass casings and that steel casings (even though cheaper) are hard on extractors and frames.[FONT=verdana, geneva, lucida, lucida grande, arial, helvetica, sans-serif] [/FONT]

 

[shittim]

don't go postal! (ha!)

 

[mailmandan]

don't go postal! (ha!)

I did not tell the cashier who sold me the gun that I was a postal worker.

Didn't want to make her nervous.

 

[shittim]

ha! I am joking and am glad you see that.

 

[mailmandan]

When I bought my handgun, one man who was working in that department told me to make sure that I cleaned my new handgun before I use it because it has packing grease in it. I pulled up instructions on how to properly clean my handgun on Youtube (which was easier than reading the instructions from the owners manual) took it apart and lightly cleaned it with gun oil, but did not notice packing grease, even though it already looked as if it was lightly oiled.

 

[hornetguy]

When I bought my handgun, one man who was working in that department told me to make sure that I cleaned my new handgun before I use it because it has packing grease in it. I pulled up instructions on how to properly clean my handgun on Youtube (which was easier than reading the instructions from the owners manual) took it apart and lightly cleaned it with gun oil, but did not notice packing grease, even though it already looked as if it was lightly oiled.

Congrats on the new S&W!

The whole "packed in grease" thing is sort of a hold-over from when guns were packed in cosmoline to protect them from rust.

Of all the new firearms I've bought in the past several years, I haven't seen any that had anything more than what you described... a light coat of oil.

It is probably a good idea to clean it initially, simply to make sure there aren't any shavings or debris left from the manufacturing process, and to familiarize yourself with the pistol. I would think it's more important to disassemble and clean after each shooting session, for the first 2 or 3 sessions, to remove any metal/plastic filings or dust that will occur as the pistol "wears in" while shooting. Those cleanings, plus a light coat of a good gun oil will go a long way toward ensuring reliability and accuracy.

The 147gr bullets are what the FBI chose as "standard" for themselves, IIRC. The 115gr are usually the cheapest, and are good for just banging at a target. They probably have very slightly less recoil than the heavier bullets, physics being what it is.

I like the 124gr bullets... seems like a good compromise, and I think the NATO load is a 124gr fmj.

Any of them will work well, I would think... both of my 9's will shoot any bullet weight equally well.