The Gun Thread

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shittim

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years ago a man came to our gun range with a new S&W Sigma, he was having trouble shooting it accurately, he let me take a shot and we found it did shoot to point of aim but he was new and handguns are the hardest to learn to shoot, sight alignment, site picture, breath control, grip, trigger squeeze, follow through, etc. all affect accuracy.
Best wishes and happy shooting
 

hornetguy

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years ago a man came to our gun range with a new S&W Sigma, he was having trouble shooting it accurately, he let me take a shot and we found it did shoot to point of aim but he was new and handguns are the hardest to learn to shoot, sight alignment, site picture, breath control, grip, trigger squeeze, follow through, etc. all affect accuracy.
Best wishes and happy shooting
Yes.... it has taken me years to get to the point of just gripping the gun firmly (not a death grip), and letting it do what it's going to do, recoil-wise. I used to try to "hold it down" when firing, which causes flinches, jerking, anticipating.... ALL the bad things.

Now I just line up the sights and try to use the same straight back "pull through" trigger squeeze for every shot, trying to get it to go off as it "wobbles" across the bullseye.... seems to work pretty well. I've even gotten pretty fair with shooting my revolver double action... same concept, just a longer trigger pull.
 

zeroturbulence

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Having photography as a hobby actually helped me be a good shooter. I haven't fired a real firearm yet, but with my 8 lb. AR15 replica with simulated recoil I shoot a 1" group at 30ft while standing without aid of a tripod or anything. From photography I learned to be still as a rock while squeezing the shutter button on my DSLR, otherwise the pic could turn out blurry. I guess that's why its also called "shooting".

...plus I like to pretend I'm a sniper :D
 
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hornetguy

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Having photography as a hobby actually helped me be a good shooter. I haven't fired a real firearm yet, but with my 8 lb. AR15 replica with simulated recoil I shoot a 1" group at 30ft while standing without aid of a tripod or anything. From photography I learned to be still as a rock while squeezing the shutter button on my DSLR, otherwise the pic could turn out blurry. I guess that's why its also called "shooting".

...plus I like to pretend I'm a sniper :D
from Mel Gibson... "aim small, miss small".....:)
 

shittim

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I have the best success with a grip like a c-clamp, from front to back, no side pressure,that is the way we were taught.
 

mailmandan

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A gunsmith tried to tell me that there is not much difference between a 9mm and a 40 caliber and if you are going to step up from a 9mm, you might as well go for a 45 caliber. I always thought that a 40 caliber was right between a 9mm and a 45 caliber. Does anyone else agree with that gunsmith? :confused:
 

oldethennew

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Having photography as a hobby actually helped me be a good shooter. I haven't fired a real firearm yet, but with my 8 lb. AR15 replica with simulated recoil I shoot a 1" group at 30ft while standing without aid of a tripod or anything. From photography I learned to be still as a rock while squeezing the shutter button on my DSLR, otherwise the pic could turn out blurry. I guess that's why its also called "shooting".

...plus I like to pretend I'm a sniper :D
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oh, how we hope and pray that there are others here that can catch
ahold of your special-sense-of-:rolleyes::eek: 'HUMOR"...
 

oldethennew

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by the way, and this is the mrs..,

hubby thinks that I have
-'recycled' over '100' or so, 'tree-rats' =s in the last few years...scqurills...
I despise to do it, but they simply won't let me feed all of the beautiful bird specieas
that migrate through our yard, year by year - between them and the coons,
most of my God-given-pleasure just wouldn't here for the both of us to enjoy -
(we're both avid bird, 'watchers-especially, body language and all', we all
have a lot in 'common with them'...:eek:

by the way, we have lots of hawks that feed their babies with dear rate, not
to mention the owls...
 
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shittim

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no Dan, I don't agree with the gunsmith, I always thought of the 9mm as a 38 short, I spoke with an intern at an emergency ward in DC, he said when the Saturday night gun shot wounds came in you couldn't tell from the entrance if it was a 32,38, 9mm, or any caliber, but if you rolled them over and there was a big cavity, that was a 45.
 

hornetguy

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A gunsmith tried to tell me that there is not much difference between a 9mm and a 40 caliber and if you are going to step up from a 9mm, you might as well go for a 45 caliber. I always thought that a 40 caliber was right between a 9mm and a 45 caliber. Does anyone else agree with that gunsmith? :confused:
I think you have it about right. It's about half way between the 9mm and the .45...at least in diameter it is.

If all of them were loaded with round nosed jacketed bullets, the .45 would be better... bigger hole.
The development of better bullets has narrowed the gap in terminal ballistics, but all things being equal, bigger is better.

Generally speaking, the 9mm is slightly more powerful than the 38 special, and not quite as powerful as the .357 magnum.


9mm= .356
40= .401-ish
45= .452
 

shittim

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45 Colt was a black powder cartridge originally, 45 acp was a shortened 45 Colt to take advantage of the newer powders, it is hard to get a high enough fill in the Long Colt cartridge case with modern powder to burn right and avoid "detonation" which can be catastrophic, Hodgden created Trailboss powder to overcome this, it takes up more room in the case allowing for a better, more consistent burn rate.
9 mm loading can very greatly, some are loaded for sub machine gun use and can be quite hot, the US Army ran into that problem when it went to the Berretta, some soldiers were loading them with sub machine gun rated 9 mm and were experiencing frame cracking.
 

mailmandan

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Is Walmart a good place to buy ammo, price wise? Or do most of you wait for a sale at various others places that sell ammo, Bass Pro Shops, Cabellas, Academy Sports etc.. and purchase ammo there?
 

shittim

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I like to frequent the mom and pop shops, it's hard to get knowledge from the big box stores that hire warm bodies and not knowledgeable staff, and if we don't buy from then they will go away.
 

hornetguy

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WalMart is generally good, price-wise. I usually wait for sales... Cabela's has sales on 9mm almost every week. I can nearly always find it at around, or just under $10 per box.

You could also order it online, from different vendors, but you have to figure in shipping costs, to see if it's cheaper than local.
Natchez Shooting Sports, Sportsman's Warehouse (?I think that's the name), sometimes Cheaper Than Dirt..

I agree that supporting local brick and mortar stores is a good thing, however. I will, to a point. I usually get reloading supplies and tools there, but many times their ammo prices are quite a bit higher than Academy/Cabelas/WalMart...

from the current sales ad from our Cabela's....

cabelas ad.jpg
 
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mailmandan

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WalMart is generally good, price-wise. I usually wait for sales... Cabela's has sales on 9mm almost every week. I can nearly always find it at around, or just under $10 per box.
Is that steel casings?