The Gun Thread

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loverofjesus27

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In my state there are no guns. We’re a gun free state. I know someone who hides one under his pillow.

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Endoscopy

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In my state there are no guns. We’re a gun free state. I know someone who hides one under his pillow.

joefizz
ACLJ is starting to sue the states banning guns. They are using the second amendment. "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed." in case you try the militia angle federal law says the militia consists of men 18 to 45 and women who have served in the military.
 

Oncefallen

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ACLJ is starting to sue the states banning guns. They are using the second amendment. "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed." in case you try the militia angle federal law says the militia consists of men 18 to 45 and women who have served in the military.
Recent Supreme Court decisions have affirmed that the 2nd Amendment (like the 1st, 3rd, etc.) is an individual right not a collective right.
 

Desdichado

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1)context
2)posts

choose one

My apologies for having to gut the last 24 hours worth of posts. After removing the troll posts most of the other recent posts would have made no sense without the context.

Carry on.
 

Desdichado

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It was somebody posing as a 25 year old Greek girl claiming racial superiority. It was fun for everybody except Blue_Ladybug.

And Oncefallen because he had to clean up afterward, but he seems good-natured about it. So.

[video=youtube;SugCLaj_OUc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SugCLaj_OUc[/video]
 

hornetguy

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ACLJ is starting to sue the states banning guns. They are using the second amendment. "the right to bear arms shall not be infringed." in case you try the militia angle federal law says the militia consists of men 18 to 45 and women who have served in the military.
Here are a couple of comments by George Mason and James Madison.... sort of like reading the original Greek manuscripts...

“I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few public officials.”
-George Mason
“That a well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper, natural, and safe defence of a free State; that standing armies, in time of peace, should be avoided, as dangerous to liberty; and that in all cases the military should be under strict subordination to, and governed by, the civil power.”
-James Madison and George Mason, Virginia Declaration of Rights
 

hornetguy

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Recent Supreme Court decisions have affirmed that the 2nd Amendment (like the 1st, 3rd, etc.) is an individual right not a collective right.
Yes... just as the right to free speech is not limited to "the press". It is an individual right.

Look at all the rights in the Bill of Rights.... "The right of the people......." etc....
 

shittim

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I was away and didn't see it until the ogre left, I attempted to ameliorate the situation but closing and sweeping up the mess was a blessing, thank you kindly, we have had fun sharing and building the community of believers on this and appreciate your help."Don't feed the troll" has been a helpful tool and standard.blessings
 

Desdichado

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True... there were NO mass shootings at the NRA convention here in Dallas.... and it was actually a gun-free zone for part of the time, while the President and Vice-President were speaking. The rest of the time, not so much.
Violent crime tends to drop when gun shows or conventions are in town.

Hmmmmmm
 

EarnestQ

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Nazi Gun Control

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/365103/how-nazis-used-gun-control-stephen-p-halbrook

by Stephen P. Halbrook December 2, 2013 4:00 AM

The Weimar Republic’s well-intentioned gun registry became a tool for evil. The perennial gun-control debate in America did not begin here. The same arguments for and against were made in the 1920s in the chaos of Germany’s Weimar Republic, which opted for gun registration. Law-abiding persons complied with the law, but the Communists and Nazis committing acts of political violence did not.

In 1931, Weimar authorities discovered plans for a Nazi takeover in which Jews would be denied food and persons refusing to surrender their guns within 24 hours would be executed. They were written by Werner Best, a future Gestapo official. In reaction to such threats, the government authorized the registration of all firearms and the confiscation thereof, if required for “public safety.”

The interior minister warned that the records must not fall into the hands of any extremist group. In 1933, the ultimate extremist group, led by Adolf Hitler, seized power and used the records to identify, disarm, and attack political opponents and Jews. Constitutional rights were suspended, and mass searches for and seizures of guns and dissident publications ensued. Police revoked gun licenses of Social Democrats and others who were not “politically reliable.” During the five years of repression that followed, society was “cleansed” by the National Socialist regime. Undesirables were placed in camps where labor made them “free,” and normal rights of citizenship were taken from Jews.

The Gestapo banned independent gun clubs and arrested their leaders. Gestapo counsel Werner Best issued a directive to the police forbidding issuance of firearm permits to Jews.

In 1938, Hitler signed a new Gun Control Act. Now that many “enemies of the state” had been removed from society, some restrictions could be slightly liberalized, especially for Nazi Party members. But Jews were prohibited from working in the firearms industry, and .22 caliber hollow-point ammunition was banned.

The time had come to launch a decisive blow to the Jewish community, to render it defenseless so that its “ill-gotten” property could be redistributed as an entitlement to the German “Volk.” The German Jews were ordered to surrender all their weapons, and the police had the records on all who had registered them. Even those who gave up their weapons voluntarily were turned over to the Gestapo. This took place in the weeks before what became known as the Night of the Broken Glass, or Kristallnacht, occurred in November 1938. That the Jews were disarmed before it, minimizing any risk of resistance, is the strongest evidence that the pogrom was planned in advance.

An incident was needed to justify unleashing the attack. That incident would be the shooting of a German diplomat in Paris by a teenage Polish Jew. Hitler directed propaganda minister Josef Goebbels to orchestrate the Night of the Broken Glass.

This massive operation, allegedly conducted as a search for weapons, entailed the ransacking of homes and businesses, and the arson of synagogues. SS chief Heinrich Himmler decreed that 20 years be served in a concentration camp by any Jew possessing a firearm. Rusty revolvers and bayonets from the Great War were confiscated from Jewish veterans who had served with distinction. Twenty thousand Jewish men were thrown into concentration camps, and had to pay ransoms to get released. The U.S. media covered the above events.

And when France fell to Nazi invasion in 1940, the New York Times reported that the French were deprived of rights such as free speech and firearm possession just as the Germans had been. Frenchmen who failed to surrender their firearms within 24 hours were subject to the death penalty. No wonder that in 1941, just days before the Pearl Harbor attack, Congress reaffirmed Second Amendment rights and prohibited gun registration.

In 1968, bills to register guns were debated, with opponents recalling the Nazi experience and supporters denying that the Nazis ever used registration records to confiscate guns. The bills were defeated, as every such proposal has been ever since, including recent “universal background check” bills.

As in Weimar Germany, some well-meaning people today advocate severe restrictions, including bans and registration, on gun ownership by law-abiding persons. Such proponents are in no sense “Nazis,” any more than were the Weimar officials who promoted similar restrictions. And it would be a travesty to compare today’s situation to the horrors of Nazi Germany. Still, as history teaches, the road to hell is paved with good intentions.

— Stephen Halbrook is a research fellow with the Independent Institute and the author of the new book, Gun Control in the Third Reich: Disarming the Jews and “Enemies of the State.”

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/365103/how-nazis-used-gun-control-stephen-p-halbrook