What do you think about cannabis in regards to the scripture? Anybody have some wise verses?

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the bible says weed is wrong for us

  • Yes, we must not cloud our minds with weed

    Votes: 5 62.5%
  • Not at all, it is a natural plant, therefore it is not a problem

    Votes: 3 37.5%

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One thing it does, it lowers the interocular pressure, lowering the chance of glaucoma to blind the patient.
I know someone who suffered glaucoma onset.
For that reason they were prescribed hydroponic marijuana.

Two years later they were diagnosed with a cancer common to their family.

The only thing that let them have any kind of appetite was that prescription.

Thankfully, they survived the cancer and there is no sign of it now. We all pray they remain cancer free.

Poison Ivy is dangerous. However, Homeopathic medicine utilizes it to help heal poison ivy.

God's word tells us his purpose and intent for plants and herbs.

God knows what he's doing.
 

Magenta

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Cannabis does have legitimate medical uses like sometimes it is sometimes
prescribed to cancer patients because it helps stimulate their appetite
It's also a natural anti-inflammatory.
I don't remember the exact scripture in the Bible but somewhere it says that
God gave us these natural things and there's nothing wrong with using them
Ask for a psychedelic drugs, research indicates that they could potentially be used to treat things like PTSD. People
have reported having positive mental effects even months after having been dosed with drugs like psilocybin.
Neuroscientist Sam Harris has covered this in his books and his podcast
Michael Pollan has done extensive research in this field also.

How to Change Your Mind was fascinating and very informative :)

So was Fantastic Fungi :D
 

Dude653

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#43
I know someone who suffered glaucoma onset.
For that reason they were prescribed hydroponic marijuana.

Two years later they were diagnosed with a cancer common to their family.

The only thing that let them have any kind of appetite was that prescription.

Thankfully, they survived the cancer and there is no sign of it now. We all pray they remain cancer free.

Poison Ivy is dangerous. However, Homeopathic medicine utilizes it to help heal poison ivy.

God's word tells us his purpose and intent for plants and herbs.

God knows what he's doing.
Yes exactly. Cannabis has legitimate medical uses. As you mentioned, it treats glaucoma.
It is sometimes prescribed to cancer patients because it helps them get their appetite back
It's also a natural anti-inflammatory
 

stuartemj

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I agree with you. Now, many scientific articles and substantiations prove the benefits of marijuana.
 

Mem

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#45
I need to quit speed reading. I thought this topic was about cannibals.
 

Dude653

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I need to quit speed reading. I thought this topic was about cannibals.
Yeah cannibalism is bad. It causes a brain condition called kuru
 

Lynx

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I need to quit speed reading. I thought this topic was about cannibals.
Nah... We're just misusing plants here, not human flesh. =^.^=
 

Mem

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stuartemj

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I agree with you. Now, many scientific articles and substantiations prove the benefits of marijuana. The whole point is that a medical counterpart is essential for patients suffering from serious blood diseases. This also applies to people who struggle with high intracranial pressure. So when I was suffering from headaches, I went to the local Brampton dispensary to get diagnosed. Even though I am a religious man who respects God in his life, I realize that I cannot do it without such medication. So please don't take it upon yourself to judge those whose pain you don't understand.
 

shittim

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Thank you kindly Stuart, Lord bless you, and thank you for sharing your insight.
 

Dude653

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To my knowledge there has never been a single reported death related to cannabis
I don't know if they're even is a lethal dose of THC
Alcohol is more dangerous than THC could ever be and you can buy it at the gas station
A few states have legalized recreational cannabis and it brings in tax revenue for the state.
 
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To my knowledge there has never been a single reported death related to cannabis
I don't know if they're even is a lethal dose of THC
Alcohol is more dangerous than THC could ever be and you can buy it at the gas station
A few states have legalized recreational cannabis and it brings in tax revenue for the state.
I agree with you on this but many, probably most, Christians view it as a mark of an unsaved person despite the lack up scriptural backup.

When they were legalizing it here in Missouri I noticed all the whiskey and vodka right at the checkout counter and thought, this stuff is legal, so why not some plant that grows naturally out of the ground? Smoking weed probably isn't good for you, but if given the choice between that or vodka, i'd go with the plant because I feel pretty sure that I'm not going to go out and wreck my truck into a mini van carrying a family on weed, but vodka... possibly.
 

shittim

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A Board Certified eye surgeon I know says it will lower interocular pressure for those who might be blinded from glaucoma. It's a tough one to choose between law and order and vision.
 
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J0hn

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A Board Certified eye surgeon I know says it will lower interocular pressure for those who might be blinded from glaucoma. It's a tough one to choose between law and order and vision.
Agree, but my question is this; is it no longer a sin once a state legalizes it (assuming it was a sin while being illegal)? Bitter almond trees are illegal too, but some say that stuff helps to inhibit tumor growth.

For me, I just try to be led by the Holy Spirit of God and His revealed will for my life found in my bible. That alone is plenty enough to keep me occupied, but I was just curious what others thought about a connection between marijuana and sin, because I can't find anything on that, aside from abide by the governing laws, and don't be a piece of crap.
 

Lynx

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All I know is, I have seen way too many potheads. I'm a big believer in learning from the mistakes of others, and I have learned enough to not make this mistake myself.

But I have also learned that people will do what they want, and will find ways to justify what they want to do. I can't keep anybody from making his own mistakes when he is determined to make them. Best thing for me to do is learn for myself and leave others to figure it out for themselves.
 

2ndTimeIsTheCharm

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I smoked pot and experimented with other recreational drugs when I was a teenager. But honestly, I didn't find it all interesting and fun, so I stopped using them. I think life is a lot more fun when your mind is clear.

I think pot is good for medicinal purposes though.

Recreational pot - as had been posted before - people are going to try to find a way to justify using it. So no point arguing about it.

Even though it's not mentioned in the Bible, I think it's important to keep your mind clear before God. It makes submitting to His will and ways much easier.
 

shittim

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O.T. is O.T, Jesus said all things are new in Him.
Not having discovered the miracle of food additives and preservatives, grape juice would ferment naturally from my understanding, and there is admonition to not be drunk wherein there is "excess", and later it is most likely a condition of being out of control, a temptation too great for some, yet later it is suggested to 'have a little wine for your infirmities". ( if I am not paraphrasing terribly).
We also know in this age you have to get in some "churches", to get back under the legalism Jesus came to free us from, could the question of whether or not it is a 'sin" be in it's very self a distraction from being in one on one interaction with Him ?
We know He allows medicine and people He calls to the medical profession and practice to alleviate human suffering, and blesses the efforts, yet the adversary in attempting to twist and pervert everything He created has mislead a cabal of alleged scientists and bureaucrats to poison the world with an experimental soup.
This is on my mind as I reflect on a post I read from a Dr. who received a dispensary product-
"Please don't take it upon yourself to judge those whose pain you do not understand." :)

best wishes
 

HealthAndHappiness

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Agree, but my question is this; is it no longer a sin once a state legalizes it (assuming it was a sin while being illegal)? Bitter almond trees are illegal too, but some say that stuff helps to inhibit tumor growth.

For me, I just try to be led by the Holy Spirit of God and His revealed will for my life found in my bible. That alone is plenty enough to keep me occupied, but I was just curious what others thought about a connection between marijuana and sin, because I can't find anything on that, aside from abide by the governing laws, and don't be a piece of crap.
Hi John,

Welcome to the forum.
I like your family photo.

Just a quick note on the issue. First, it doesn't matter to me what someone smokes. It won't affect my day as long as they aren't driving, family, friends, or breaking in to rob me to support their addiction. Someone tried that and it didn't turn out so well for them.

You have a good question.
I do think that God has created the hemp plant for so many uses that I can't begin to list but a small fraction of purposes. I did a consultation with someone yesterday who described her choice to use a no THC CBD oil (no high effects). It was helping with diabetic issues and also her pet. People have used the raw hemp oil that's in the salad dressing isle at Krogers and it helped heal their brain injury significantly. It's a shame that the US gt made it a crime to grow a native plant that is used for very high quality clothing, for ropes and textiles of all kinds. When competing manufacturing industry like petroleum, pharmaceutical and cotton pay a few million dollars to the politicians to deny competition: THAT is a crime. It's a big crime to deny God's people the use of something He made to bless them and bring healing. That is why the clothes and ropes I've used is so expensive and must be imported from other countries. It has been legal to import Non-THC products made from the hemp plant, such as clothing and food. However, most can't afford to pay the outrages prices for something that should be dirt cheap and plentiful.

As to the use of the extremely small variety of hemp that has THC due to genetic variation and selection for that single trait, it also serves a purpose or two. I think a legitimate purpose would be the example of a medicinal use. It has been reported by those who have had dangerous seizures that chemically manufactured pharmaceuticals have not helped. They are legal, but hardly effective.. Big pharma has a monopoly and impose harmful effects to those who are desperately in need of relief. The natural God made medicines are demonized, while the often demonically designed ones produced by industrial methods are touted as godly. Because some guy with latex tubing draped over his neck, who attended a big pharma subsidized school walks into the room, you are supposed to trust him more than The Great Physician. That's what most do. Some have had healing and stopped the daily seizures by that particular variety of plant that would be free of charge if they were allowed to grow it themselves.

Most of us are fortunate to not have such health problems. I certainly will never judge those who do. I thank God that He made natural medicine, foods and spices that prevent blindness, seizures, and restores that which modern medicine can not.

As to recreational use, otherwise " getting stoned."....it really is no different than getting drunk. Whether by mushrooms, alcohol, poppy flowers, marijuana, or licking poisonous frogs, it's considered drunkenness. If I tell a dumb kid who eats Tide pods that it's a sin and will damage the Temple of the Holy Spirit, am I wrong because the Bible doesn't say "Don't eat Tide Pods?".
If a stoner licks a Bufo Marinus Toad and hallucinates like an idiot, is it OK because the Bible doesn't address that specifically?
I think you agree, it actually does address it.

A. It is called drunkenness, which is a sin of the flesh.

Galatians 5:19,20
"Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, ..."

The term"drunkenness" can apply to drug induced euphoria regardless of which drug, from alcohol to fentinol as I see it. I think the application is not just restricted to the product of fermentation/ distillation. If this is not convincing, I understand that I am making somewhat of a presumption on this point. Let's take a look together at the next reason why I came to this understanding.

B. It is associated with witchcraft or sorcery.
The term pharmakos which looks familiar because it's where we get our word for pharmaceutical.

Drugs are often used for religious ceremonies to summon devils/ demons. It's not necessarily one or the other. Even Joe Rogan has described the demons that he encountered and spoke to him while stoned.
From users descriptions some drugs apparently have more of an effect to bring about the state of mind and break down the barrier that is there to protect people from demonic communication and possession.

Revelation 21:8
"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."

According to the Bible anyone who has committed one murder, or ever lied, or committed sorcery deserves to go where?
That's right if you said hell or "the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone."

That is why we ALL need to be saved from such a horrible destination. I doubt if there are very many sorcerers here, but we probably all have lied and even worse.
(How to be saved link here.)

C. Marijuana seems to be the gateway drug most frequently used that eventually leads to the harder ones. Just ask anyone who has ever used a harder drug. They all started with marijuana.

D. Some make a distinction between getting stoned/ drunk with natural drugs as opposed to Rx pharmaceuticals. This is the major consensus of the past generations up until now. The only truth about the con-sensus is that they have been conned and have no sense's. In West Virginia, as many states, prescription medications are the biggest illicit drug trade. They are used for recreational drunkenness more than the illegal kinds. That doesn't excuse the fact that some people go to the emergency room with major pain like sciatica or a broken bone and are denied pain relievers. That happens too often. If someone is in severe pain, help that person. Just don't give the highly addictive garbage that they all too often push in order to get repeat customers.
Shame on those doctors.

More often there are complaints for which inappropriate meds are the choices. When I was a teenager I remember that the biggest abusers of drugs per Capita are the doctors and pharmacists. They also are the biggest pushers. Case in point are the Covid injections, flu shots, dozens of childhood "vaccines."
Because people think that Doctor Fatbottom wrote it on a slip of paper and the brew meister at the grocery store filled it as instructed, that it's healthy and nutritious. Most people have no idea how addictive some of those drugs are. They get hooked and many overdose, as a poor lady told me recently about her straight laced 40 year old daughter. God created certain medicines to help relieve pain and to even bring about healing. Those are often used for illegitimate purposes. Nevertheless, they're creation had a legitimate use that might have been intended by the Maker. I think that the Bible speaks very clearly about the subject.
If there's still doubts by the readers, whoever they may be, I suggest re-reading this. Just make sure to check out the video link, because it provides the only solution to the problem.

May the Lord keep you happy and healthy.

☕🙂👍
 

shittim

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I'm not sure the major premise of equating all usage of products and applications of these Created plants should be equated with "getting stoned".
Relief of pain and suffering that we might not be able to grasp is not within our province to withhold, Jesus would not and He works through people now, if we fail to allow people to come to Him and He has allowed and created for us, we have given this world and the things of this world first place, which we must never do.
bless you all :)(y):coffee:
 

Gideon300

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To my knowledge there has never been a single reported death related to cannabis
I don't know if they're even is a lethal dose of THC
Alcohol is more dangerous than THC could ever be and you can buy it at the gas station
A few states have legalized recreational cannabis and it brings in tax revenue for the state.
If alcohol was invented today, it would never become legal to sell. It's easy to make and that is a problem. In Australia, it is illegal to advertise cigarettes. I'm all for that. However, no one smoked a cigarette, flew into a rage and killed someone. Restricting alcohol sales is simply common sense and would stop a lot of the violence that plagues our city streets.

I'm not convinced that cannabis is all that much better. I lived on my own for many years. I advertised for someone to share the house. Someone I knew from years before rang me. I did not know that he was a stoner. He was once a churchgoer and in a Christian band.

My acquaintance was off his head. Nice guy, school teacher and bass player. He also believed that 'Star Wars' was a documentary. He hears voices. He smoked every night. I don't believe that he was safe behind the wheel. He was almost incoherent when doped up. The only good part is that he was non violent.

The problem with THC is that it affects different people in different ways. One of those ways is delayed reaction. Just what you don't need while driving. Some people become instantly paranoid. Others have no problem at all. Personally, I would prefer to drive knowing that no stoners are on the road as well as no drunks.