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1 Core 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

It does not matter how joyous and happy I am in this life, it is not to be compared to heaven.

If I'm so happy and joyous in dis ol' world, fine then, let me remain here. After all, it's just like heaven.

1Cor 7:31 It won't make any difference how much good you are getting from this world or how much you like it. This world as we know it is now passing away.

Matthew 6:19 “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moths and vermin destroy, and where thieves break in and steal. 20 But store up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where moths and vermin do not destroy, and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there your heart will be also

Watch ye and pray!
I am not sure what you are arguing. I don't think anyone for a second would think the joy in this world comes within a millionth of that awaiting us. But does that mean we should not feel any joy in this world? We live in Christ, the Spirit indwells. Rejoice.
 

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I am not sure what you are arguing. I don't think anyone for a second would think the joy in this world comes within a millionth of that awaiting us. But does that mean we should not feel any joy in this world? We live in Christ, the Spirit indwells. Rejoice.
You have a reading comprehension problem it seems. I did not say one must not rejoice or be happy.
 

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1 Core 2:9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

Hey thanks for posting this. I had a saying when it came to imagination on anything (eternity as the main focus) that "my imagination is not greater than God" Therefore, anything I can dream up, no matter how cool...will be exceeded splendidly. It always gave me something to look forward to when I was younger.


This scripture just confirms it for me <3
 

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The Philippines is 90% Christian,
I have just looked up some stats and it is telling me that 86% of the Phillippines are catholic.. So if true that means that 86% are not Christians because catholics are not Christian... So how do you come to the 90% figure? Is that just something you want to be true?
 

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I have just looked up some stats and it is telling me that 86% of the Phillippines are catholic.. So if true that means that 86% are not Christians because catholics are not Christian... So how do you come to the 90% figure? Is that just something you want to be true?
we Catholics forgive you Adstar.
 

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we Catholics forgive you Adstar.
Why? What is there to forgive?

Because i love people i will tell them the truth so that they may come to salvation.. If i told catholics that they where saved Christians THEN i would need to repent and would need to be forgiven.. But to tell catholics that they are not saved and not Christians is an act of love because that truth can, if accepted, set someone free from the evil roman catholic religion. I thank God for my own liberation from the evil catholic religion.. All Praise to the Ancient Of Days :)
 

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we Catholics forgive you Adstar.
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this is in general a blatant 'lie'...
there are very few who will be able to flee out of this 'mass'-trance-lie' = her so called priests have hurt enough
innocent children already, and a steady stream shall continually bear witness of the fact of their molestation -
these mindless beasts continually increase our dear children's emotional sorrow to an appalling degree!!!

This corruption won't stand against the Holy Scriptures or history's TESTS - and no 'priest-preacher can vest themselves
with God's Holy calling, simply because they believe that they are devine...

Heavenly Father, please give us the strength to endure and honor You in our daily speech and desire to walk
in Your Holy steps...

Rome shall burn once more, for she is that wicked city = but, have not pity on her you saints, for she is
tainted with our martyr's Blood...
 
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I have just looked up some stats and it is telling me that 86% of the Phillippines are catholic.. So if true that means that 86% are not Christians because catholics are not Christian... So how do you come to the 90% figure? Is that just something you want to be true?
It is more like 81% now. As to whether Catholics are Christian, I am a Baptist but consider Catholics Christian. To me John 3:16 is quite clear.
 

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It is more like 81% now. As to whether Catholics are Christian, I am a Baptist but consider Catholics Christian. To me John 3:16 is quite clear.
John 3: KJV
16"¶ For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

What does it mean to believe in Him? How does one know who one is believing in? Muslims believe Jesus existed and they call him a prophet.. Do you believe islam is a way to eternal life with God? How about the mormons, They believe in a jesus also.. what about the gnostics and their jesus?

To believe in true Messiah Jesus is to believe the Word of God.. His word is spirit his words are life.. It's not just a case of believing ""oh yeah there was this nice guy back in the old roman days who was a kind of hippie called Jesus who ended up being executed by the Romans because he talked too much about peace and love...""

So John 3: 16 is clear to me also.. But totally different to me then to you..
 
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John 3: KJV
16"¶ For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life."

What does it mean to believe in Him? How does one know who one is believing in? Muslims believe Jesus existed and they call him a prophet.. Do you believe islam is a way to eternal life with God? How about the mormons, They believe in a jesus also.. what about the gnostics and their jesus?

To believe in true Messiah Jesus is to believe the Word of God.. His word is spirit his words are life.. It's not just a case of believing ""oh yeah there was this nice guy back in the old roman days who was a kind of hippie called Jesus who ended up being executed by the Romans because he talked too much about peace and love...""

So John 3: 16 is clear to me also.. But totally different to me then to you..
I agree. I prefer the translation "believeth into him".

As far as I am aware Catholics believe in the Trinity, that Jesus is God, that he died for our sins. Do Muslims? To equate Catholics to Muslims or even Mormons is incorrect and shows a lack of love to our brothers.

I do worry when I see Calvinists, Methodists, Catholics, any Christian who is not my exact type of Christian, is going to hell who of us is actually going to make it heaven.
 

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I agree. I prefer the translation "believeth into him".

As far as I am aware Catholics believe in the Trinity, that Jesus is God, that he died for our sins. Do Muslims? To equate Catholics to Muslims or even Mormons is incorrect and shows a lack of love to our brothers.

I do worry when I see Calvinists, Methodists, Catholics, any Christian who is not my exact type of Christian, is going to hell who of us is actually going to make it heaven.
Do catholioc believe that they are Saved by beliving in and recieving as a gift the Atonement Jesus secured for their salvation on the cross?

Or do they believe that you must observe all their ""holy""? days of obligation, be water baptised, attend mass and recieve the ""holy""?? communion, take part in a confirmation ceremony, recite a decad or two of the hail mary prayer regularly to earn ones salvation?

PS.. We don't make it to heaven.. That is a works mindset showing right there that WE!!!! make it there..

Jesus is the one who covers us and washes us clean by His atoning blood and He lifts us up and gifts us eternal life with Him in His perfect eternal existence.. All praise and honor and glory and boasting is for the LORD.. He is the one who MADE IT for us..
 

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I have asked numerous Roman Catholics if they believe that man is saved by grace through faith in Christ and not by works or by grace through faith in Christ + works? Many of them did not hesitate to say "the latter." I myself am a former Roman Catholic.

The Catholic Church Teaches Salvation by Works - http://justforcatholics.org/a14.htm
 
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Do catholioc believe that they are Saved by beliving in and recieving as a gift the Atonement Jesus secured for their salvation on the cross?

Or do they believe that you must observe all their ""holy""? days of obligation, be water baptised, attend mass and recieve the ""holy""?? communion, take part in a confirmation ceremony, recite a decad or two of the hail mary prayer regularly to earn ones salvation?

PS.. We don't make it to heaven.. That is a works mindset showing right there that WE!!!! make it there..

Jesus is the one who covers us and washes us clean by His atoning blood and He lifts us up and gifts us eternal life with Him in His perfect eternal existence.. All praise and honor and glory and boasting is for the LORD.. He is the one who MADE IT for us..
Oh please I didn't say we are the ones who get ourselves to heaven. Make it as in get to. Standard English. I am a Baptist I remind you not a Catholic.

Yes of course I disagree with some of their beliefs but if you really think they are comparable to Muslims then I worry for you.

I look at the two most important commandments as stated by Jesus. I know many Catholics who follow those, unfortunately I know many "correct theology" Protestants who don't.
 

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Oh please I didn't say we are the ones who get ourselves to heaven. Make it as in get to. Standard English. I am a Baptist I remind you not a Catholic.

Yes of course I disagree with some of their beliefs but if you really think they are comparable to Muslims then I worry for you.
catholicism is worse then islam... Because it is closer to the truth without actually being the truth.. The closer a false religon is to the Gospel truth the more powerful the deception and the harder it is to move that one to the actual Gospel truth that saves..


I look at the two most important commandments as stated by Jesus. I know many Catholics who follow those,
Do they follow those two most important commandments of Jesus,, WITHOUT FAULT or Failure 100% of the time??? That's the level of performance they will need to achieve for them to enter into the Kingdom of God if they are relying on their religious works..


unfortunately I know many "correct theology" Protestants who don't.
And if they believe in the Atonement and trust in it 100% for their salvation they will be forgiven for the times when they have failed to live up to the perfect standards of God.. Even if they are the most pathetic excuses for Christians that ever walked this fallen earth.. They may end up being considered Least in the Kingdom of God but in the end they will be there with Jesus forever and ever.

It's never been about who is better or who is worse..
It has always been about who will be forgiven and who will not..
 

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I have asked numerous Roman Catholics if they believe that man is saved by grace through faith in Christ and not by works or by grace through faith in Christ + works? Many of them did not hesitate to say "the latter." I myself am a former Roman Catholic.

The Catholic Church Teaches Salvation by Works - http://justforcatholics.org/a14.htm
Yes indeed, and i am a former roman catholic too.. Glad you came out of her also Mailmandan :)
 
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catholicism is worse then islam... Because it is closer to the truth without actually being the truth.. The closer a false religon is to the Gospel truth the more powerful the deception and the harder it is to move that one to the actual Gospel truth that saves..




Do they follow those two most important commandments of Jesus,, WITHOUT FAULT or Failure 100% of the time??? That's the level of performance they will need to achieve for them to enter into the Kingdom of God if they are relying on their religious works..




And if they believe in the Atonement and trust in it 100% for their salvation they will be forgiven for the times when they have failed to live up to the perfect standards of God.. Even if they are the most pathetic excuses for Christians that ever walked this fallen earth.. They may end up being considered Least in the Kingdom of God but in the end they will be there with Jesus forever and ever.

It's never been about who is better or who is worse..
It has always been about who will be forgiven and who will not..
Totally agree on the last part. And I am not going to second guess God as to who is forgiven for their theological errors. Are you? Of much more concern to me would be the near idolatry in the Catholic Church (Mary and the Saints) and the potential lack of being born again which of course is a stated requirement. But I firmly believe God judges people's hearts not the theology they have been taught.