Why do atheist think that believing there is no kind of god is the most logical?

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ForeverMayNotBeLongEnough

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I understand why you are moving on to these questions, but you might want to look at the answer that was given by Posthuman again because it still would be a legitimate response to your new question.
Ok, sorry if I missed a key point...
 
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Yes, but I assumed it was cuz we are not all-powerful and that is why we cannot create things as great as us.
But a god (at least some gods including that of the bible) is supposed to be all-powerful, which means he should be able to create beings as great as him altho I do not think that means he could create beings greater then him cuz that's a bit ridiculous. But of course if he does not have the ability to create things at least just as great as he is then the term "all-powerful" does not seem to fit.

This really isn't making sense to me...
Consider this: perhaps the reason it does not make sense to you why God would create us this way is BECAUSE we are created this way, and we just don't have the ability to comprehend why. If there is a God, then you must admit that He knows infinitely more than us. Then you must admit that if there is a God, He created us, He knows infinitely more than us, and thus He must have a REALLY GOOD reason for making us this way.
 
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Consider this: perhaps the reason it does not make sense to you why God would create us this way is BECAUSE we are created this way, and we just don't have the ability to comprehend why. If there is a God, then you must admit that He knows infinitely more than us. Then you must admit that if there is a God, He created us, He knows infinitely more than us, and thus He must have a REALLY GOOD reason for making us this way.
Ah yea... I see what you're saying. I guess that can make sense.

But I do wish I knew the reason... I like to know things, if I don't know enough about something then I don't trust it... so with my current understanding of god I don't feel like I can trust him so I'm trying to expand my understanding as much as possible.
 

T_Laurich

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Ah yea... I see what you're saying. I guess that can make sense.

But I do wish I knew the reason... I like to know things, if I don't know enough about something then I don't trust it... so with my current understanding of god I don't feel like I can trust him so I'm trying to expand my understanding as much as possible.
I am sorry but that is a cop-out answer...
 
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ForeverMayNotBeLongEnough

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I am sorry but that is a cop-out answer...
Well its true... I have trust issues but I would like to be able to trust a god but I haven't been able to... at least not yet...

Maybe that will never change but I'm willing to try to change it...
 

TheKringledOne

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Laurich, it was not a cop-out. He admitted that the response people gave was valid and that he didn't consider it. Not pressing a question that has been answered is NOT a cop-out. All ForeverMay did was declare something that he wanted, it had nothing to do with any argument; just a statement of a desire.

But I do wish I knew the reason... I like to know things, if I don't know enough about something then I don't trust it... so with my current understanding of god I don't feel like I can trust him so I'm trying to expand my understanding as much as possible.
Well its true... I have trust issues but I would like to be able to trust a god but I haven't been able to... at least not yet...

Maybe that will never change but I'm willing to try to change it...
I find your wording very odd. I don't see why whether or not you can trust something should be a determining factor of whether or not that thing exists. It would be possible for a god to exist and present himself to me and that would make me believe that a god exists, but that still doesn't mean I trust the god. Just because I wouldn't trust the god in this hypothetical doesn't mean that I wouldn't believe in him. This should not be a factor in the case of the gods existence.
Also, if there is a concept of a god that I would trust that wouldn't have any influence over whether or not you should believe in it. If there is no evidence than how can you believe in it? I can understand the want to believe in a god you can trust but how does that actually lead to holding a real, honest belief. Whether or not I like something doesn't make it the case after all.
 
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ForeverMayNotBeLongEnough

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I find your wording very odd. I don't see why whether or not you can trust something should be a determining factor of whether or not that thing exists. It would be possible for a god to exist and present himself to me and that would make me believe that a god exists, but that still doesn't mean I trust the god. Just because I wouldn't trust the god in this hypothetical doesn't mean that I wouldn't believe in him. This should not be a factor in the case of the gods existence.
Also, if there is a concept of a god that I would trust that wouldn't have any influence over whether or not you should believe in it. If there is no evidence than how can you believe in it? I can understand the want to believe in a god you can trust but how does that actually lead to holding a real, honest belief. Whether or not I like something doesn't make it the case after all.
Sorry, I guess I say things in strange ways...
Um... yea what I meant was that if a god exists I want to be able to trust the one that is real. And it is true that just cuz a god is proven to exist does not mean i should trust him... so I'm trying to figure out 1st of all: if a god exists, and if that can be proven to me first then I will work on the trust part.
I'm not sure what would enable me to trust a god but that is part of what I'm trying to determine.