The AntiDepressant Conundrum
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Hi ,
To letucepray.
Depends on who your talking to concerning diabetes , some info that was put forward would in fact cause more issues , reason being some who have diabetes if there food intake and taking less meds or insulin would not in fact help so unless you know the person and ...ALL... background history and tell them what to do is not the right approach ,
2, their age becomes a major factor as well is this person young say 12 to 20 30 to 50 or older try that info on some one who is say 65 to 70 and then older ,
3, is that person on other meds and is taken to the Hospiltal and being seen by a Dr or Gp, unless you know all the factors concerning the person can lead to major health issues they don't have , so to tell others what ...THEY...should or not do is not the right way of doing things.
4, the other point is do you work with or have a repore with DR,s and Gps to look at different issues so you can help in a way and know whats going on until then giving out wrong info with out knowledge of all the facts
5. do you know the types of meds and dose rates . to just change those with out regard to the person and know what can happen to that person don't bother doing it , would you know the effects of doing that .
had you been close to our family and tried saying what some one should do or not you would have had a short swift out the door quick smart , because I know how meds can and do effect people both good and not good , .
I keep one person alive because I knew what I was doing and then had backup as I needed it ,
...noeleena...
To letucepray.
Depends on who your talking to concerning diabetes , some info that was put forward would in fact cause more issues , reason being some who have diabetes if there food intake and taking less meds or insulin would not in fact help so unless you know the person and ...ALL... background history and tell them what to do is not the right approach ,
2, their age becomes a major factor as well is this person young say 12 to 20 30 to 50 or older try that info on some one who is say 65 to 70 and then older ,
3, is that person on other meds and is taken to the Hospiltal and being seen by a Dr or Gp, unless you know all the factors concerning the person can lead to major health issues they don't have , so to tell others what ...THEY...should or not do is not the right way of doing things.
4, the other point is do you work with or have a repore with DR,s and Gps to look at different issues so you can help in a way and know whats going on until then giving out wrong info with out knowledge of all the facts
5. do you know the types of meds and dose rates . to just change those with out regard to the person and know what can happen to that person don't bother doing it , would you know the effects of doing that .
had you been close to our family and tried saying what some one should do or not you would have had a short swift out the door quick smart , because I know how meds can and do effect people both good and not good , .
I keep one person alive because I knew what I was doing and then had backup as I needed it ,
...noeleena...
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Don't take them it's complete bs! They don't work and only alter your brain's natural chemistry and neurotransmitters to unhealthy/toxic levels. Most of the psychological meds have horrible side effects only intended to make the patient sleep, mentally numb/stupor and also toxify their body to kill them off faster....because they are deemed unwanted to society (the schizophrenics, mentally disabled etc). Big Pharma is a complete lie....if you are on antidepressants instead of getting a medical high (which is what most of these drugs do) trust God and ask for deliverance from depression, suicide etc....
This is not meant to offend/demean those who take these meds but you need to know that they don't even know the mechanism of action for 80-90% of the meds (aka how these drugs work) but they are on the market! Which is illegal, as any drug has to show proof of efficacy before being put on the market. They are intended to stupify your demeanor and kill your brain. They don't work and the side effects are intended to harm the liver and kidneys especially to kill those deemed mentally unstable off! These are the dirty little facts nobody wants to talk about......
This is not meant to offend/demean those who take these meds but you need to know that they don't even know the mechanism of action for 80-90% of the meds (aka how these drugs work) but they are on the market! Which is illegal, as any drug has to show proof of efficacy before being put on the market. They are intended to stupify your demeanor and kill your brain. They don't work and the side effects are intended to harm the liver and kidneys especially to kill those deemed mentally unstable off! These are the dirty little facts nobody wants to talk about......
Hi,
Well it seems we have a don't take any meds okay and they don't work hmmm okay and kill your brain so I see .
Well this may be true in your case , I work with hard facts and do know what I did and would do again seems you missed what I wrote matters not , Jos would not be here had I not done my home work and worked with those meds we had for her as I said she is alive and well ...NOW... had I not she would not have lived or been alive 35 years ago , so if they did not work and she does not have any side issues, those meds did in fact keep her able to functon and live a pretty normal life and have 3 children so who,s right here your word or mine with facts to back it up of 35 years worth , the total is 42 years and Jos is 64 ,
Major Depression suicide scoliosis curvature of the spine left to right and front to back hip left side out of alinement major headaches and or migraines two times a day on most days , and surgery in the nasel passage upper top behind the molers , and would you say Jos should not have taken any meds .
I,ll put to you kindly as I can,
When you understand how the meds work and the person concerned then and only then do you know whats involved and to work with those meds in a way that ...THEY...WILL..... help .
der Narr ist nur ein Narr, der nicht weiB, was sie mit aus dem Wissen dass sie benoetigen tun.
...noeleena...
Well it seems we have a don't take any meds okay and they don't work hmmm okay and kill your brain so I see .
Well this may be true in your case , I work with hard facts and do know what I did and would do again seems you missed what I wrote matters not , Jos would not be here had I not done my home work and worked with those meds we had for her as I said she is alive and well ...NOW... had I not she would not have lived or been alive 35 years ago , so if they did not work and she does not have any side issues, those meds did in fact keep her able to functon and live a pretty normal life and have 3 children so who,s right here your word or mine with facts to back it up of 35 years worth , the total is 42 years and Jos is 64 ,
Major Depression suicide scoliosis curvature of the spine left to right and front to back hip left side out of alinement major headaches and or migraines two times a day on most days , and surgery in the nasel passage upper top behind the molers , and would you say Jos should not have taken any meds .
I,ll put to you kindly as I can,
When you understand how the meds work and the person concerned then and only then do you know whats involved and to work with those meds in a way that ...THEY...WILL..... help .
der Narr ist nur ein Narr, der nicht weiB, was sie mit aus dem Wissen dass sie benoetigen tun.
...noeleena...
H
One of the most frustrating things for me to see is so many followers who just pay lip service - they say they want to reach out to the broken, to the lost, but when push comes to shove and someone truly is experiencing a problem, they are met with pure ignorance.
I'm sure you are sincere in what you say, ultimatum77, and but you would not feel the same if you've ever had close experience with someone who has schizophrenia and suffers from all sorts of delusions and seen the difference between their quality of life when they are treated and how quickly things can go awry when they forgo treatment. Or if you have had any experience major depression yourself - not just temporary feelings of disappointment and sadness - but "I have 0 interest in any aspect of my life or being alive" depression.
Mental illness is such an isolating experience because oftentimes, people just do.not.get.it, think the person is just seeking attention or making it up, when what that person is going through is 100% real to them. Why would anyone open up about what they're going through with some of the BS responses being posted here? Are there people who just seek attention, abuse drugs, and act out in all sorts of horrible ways? Yes. Are there doctors who are too quick to prescribe medication, or offer inappropriate treatments, or misdiagnose their patients altogether? Absolutely! For some people, medication is totally inappropriate.
On the other hand, for some people, these medications are as completely appropriate and as necessary as the inhaler to an asthmatic, or insulin to the diabetic, or glasses to someone who is visually impaired. To be completely dismissive of antidepressants, or any other medication used to treat mental illness - it's just utterly ignorant. You would not say those things if you knew.
U77. Thanks to society's degraded diets and the vaccines and environmental factors, there are people being born in these modern times with predispositions to various mental and physical health issues. The quality of men's sperm, and tissue quality of a woman's egg and womb are inferior to what they were probably just 50 or 60 or 70 years ago. It is a scientific fact that our DNA is getting weaker over time. Just google it and you'll see.
So what man has wrought man is now trying to fix. And it never works out just quite right. Because we can never come close to duplicating Gods infinite wisdom. The best we can do are meds, that in most cases poorly address the issues, and with side effects that are a disaster. But that's our best effort in the realm of conventional western medicine
So unfortunately some people actually do need their psychotropic drugs. They just can't function without them. Because their body chemistry is so screwed up, many times through no fault of theirs, from birth, and/or for a lot of them, the way they were raised, maybe abused, and/or neglected, they have to chose the lesser of the two bad choices. Trapped in a world they never made. So do they take these drugs that over time are going to mess them up physically, but allows them to function in daily life, or do they not take them, and while they may be physically fine, are all over the place emotionally psychologically.
Hard choices. I think many of them realize they have caught between a rock and a hard med. Some don't, that's true, but many can feel what is going on in their bodies and minds. They understand that while the drug as given them life in a functional way, they are not always "themselves" when they take them.
I would not want to be in this place that they are in. It is like a prison without the four concrete walls. No real ideal alternative...
...Except, maybe, sometimes, with some of them...
This leads to the second part of my post, where you and I see more eye to eye.
People with these issues, I have said it time and again, you have also Ult77, need to alter their lifestyles as best as they can. Sometimes it can take a Herculean effort, but they should, for their sake's, as well as for the sake's of their loves ones, change their diets, and also avail themselves to pray more. Of course I am generalizing, I never did a poll on how much do people who take psychotropic drugs pray.
I have had some of them as clients though, and I can say that those who changed their diets and prayed, as opposed to those who didn't, or who took only half steps, have been able to sometimes lower their dosages, and generally seemed to be doing better in their life circumstances.
i know of some, not many, but some, people who have been able to cease taking their drugs when they altered their lifestyle and put their faith in God and prayed.
We all all unique, so everyone of us, while having the same general chemistry, and elctro magnetic and vibrational make up we can and sometimes do respond differently to different sets of stimuli. The wild card in this may be the spiritual component. I don't know exactly how it works, I don't think science will ever be able to quantify that. But it is a factor.
Our struggle also is sometimes with things unseen.
So anyone faced with such complications in their lives should never under estimate the power of Gods design for us in the way of lifestyle choices, and the the power of the Spirit He has endowed us each with, and of course the power of prayer.
They are mighty forces. And can avail much.
So what man has wrought man is now trying to fix. And it never works out just quite right. Because we can never come close to duplicating Gods infinite wisdom. The best we can do are meds, that in most cases poorly address the issues, and with side effects that are a disaster. But that's our best effort in the realm of conventional western medicine
So unfortunately some people actually do need their psychotropic drugs. They just can't function without them. Because their body chemistry is so screwed up, many times through no fault of theirs, from birth, and/or for a lot of them, the way they were raised, maybe abused, and/or neglected, they have to chose the lesser of the two bad choices. Trapped in a world they never made. So do they take these drugs that over time are going to mess them up physically, but allows them to function in daily life, or do they not take them, and while they may be physically fine, are all over the place emotionally psychologically.
Hard choices. I think many of them realize they have caught between a rock and a hard med. Some don't, that's true, but many can feel what is going on in their bodies and minds. They understand that while the drug as given them life in a functional way, they are not always "themselves" when they take them.
I would not want to be in this place that they are in. It is like a prison without the four concrete walls. No real ideal alternative...
...Except, maybe, sometimes, with some of them...
This leads to the second part of my post, where you and I see more eye to eye.
People with these issues, I have said it time and again, you have also Ult77, need to alter their lifestyles as best as they can. Sometimes it can take a Herculean effort, but they should, for their sake's, as well as for the sake's of their loves ones, change their diets, and also avail themselves to pray more. Of course I am generalizing, I never did a poll on how much do people who take psychotropic drugs pray.
I have had some of them as clients though, and I can say that those who changed their diets and prayed, as opposed to those who didn't, or who took only half steps, have been able to sometimes lower their dosages, and generally seemed to be doing better in their life circumstances.
i know of some, not many, but some, people who have been able to cease taking their drugs when they altered their lifestyle and put their faith in God and prayed.
We all all unique, so everyone of us, while having the same general chemistry, and elctro magnetic and vibrational make up we can and sometimes do respond differently to different sets of stimuli. The wild card in this may be the spiritual component. I don't know exactly how it works, I don't think science will ever be able to quantify that. But it is a factor.
Our struggle also is sometimes with things unseen.
So anyone faced with such complications in their lives should never under estimate the power of Gods design for us in the way of lifestyle choices, and the the power of the Spirit He has endowed us each with, and of course the power of prayer.
They are mighty forces. And can avail much.
C
There is a lot of ignorance. They almost had me kill myself with their well meant advices to go to a psychiater and take pills. In our church now those people are just prayed for and set free, although they don't preach against pills, but they don't need 'em anymore. It's insane if a church can't even help but they send you to a psychiater. A lot of psychiatric patients in Holland who couldn't be helped in church nor by a psychiater went to Africa, to T.B. Joshua to be healed and set free.
P
Are you serious? Do you have diabetes or asthma. I suffer from around 100 allergies. I have a very healthy life style. I have anxiety the moment I hit puberty. I am crazy about my God. Yes I did have a fall out with him because of all the troubles that I go through yet love him to death not that does not mean i would go without my meds. He gave wisdom to make wise choices. I have seen one of my family member without taking meds died. Each part of her body blew up before death due to diabetes. That was horrible to see. Don't assume everyone suffering from illness lives a careless life.
When it comes to any pharmaceutical drug, just think, do those who create them try to solve a deep inner spiritual problem, or do they try a solve the symptom? No symptom = no problem to them. From my observation of people taking drugs, even illicit ones, it alters their personality. There are many people on this site who are not their true selves, if they think about that hard enough and compare their drug free self to the drug crutch self, even if, there was more emotional pain without.
The way I see drugs, is, you can jump start a car with a battery pack. But would you run the car on a battery pack because it is broken? Or would you get the car fixed?
Many see doctors as God, as in they tell they whole truth and whatever they say is the truth. It is sad really. Most doctors are realists, not spiritualists. They are not going to say, well if you pray every day, if you try loving yourself and others more, all will be well.
Blessed are those who are able to avoid or come out of sickness swiftly, but woe to those who find 'comfort' in sickness.
The way I see drugs, is, you can jump start a car with a battery pack. But would you run the car on a battery pack because it is broken? Or would you get the car fixed?
Many see doctors as God, as in they tell they whole truth and whatever they say is the truth. It is sad really. Most doctors are realists, not spiritualists. They are not going to say, well if you pray every day, if you try loving yourself and others more, all will be well.
Blessed are those who are able to avoid or come out of sickness swiftly, but woe to those who find 'comfort' in sickness.