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Timofree

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guy's thank u for the post's

but to tell the truth I did not find anything Convincing god is 3 ..

i hope u read this

Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Muhammad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

thank u again .. ^^

The trinity is not the kind of thing any natural mind can immediately comprehend......I just took it on faith (once you make that step of faith, you realise you had supernatural help to make it...), for me the God of the Bible is true, therefore what He says is true.
Even though I won't understand everything this side of eternity, I love it when people question my faith, and 'I don't know' can be a valid answer. I do however have assurance of salvation, and long to learn more......!!

And despite being a Christian has lead to hardship, I couldn't go back and deny God now. The thought of denying Him, is scarier than suffering or dying for the sake of His name.

Anyway, welcome and blessings :)
 
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TheTruthWillSetYouFree

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The trinity is not the kind of thing any natural mind can immediately comprehend......I just took it on faith (once you make that step of faith, you realise you had supernatural help to make it...), for me the God of the Bible is true, therefore what He says is true.
Even though I won't understand everything this side of eternity, I love it when people question my faith, and 'I don't know' can be a valid answer. I do however have assurance of salvation, and long to learn more......!!

And despite being a Christian has lead to hardship, I couldn't go back and deny God now. The thought of denying Him, is scarier than suffering or dying for the sake of His name.

Anyway, welcome and blessings :)
Amen. The Trinity is something we can not understand by logic in this life; it is something we must accept by faith alone.
 
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sarah219

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to answer your question as to why jesus died such a horrible death was because he died in our place took on our sin everyones not only the people of his day but all throughout history he was the only one who could cover our sins with his blood the ultimate sacrifice because he was totally sinless
 
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guy's Please ..

there is no way that an ' Intelligent ' can think that god is 3 .. !!

and if i ask how u tell me ( 3 but 1 god )

what .!!!!!!!

and than u said habe ' faith ' ??

come on guy's look for the truth search a littel bit ..!

here u go

Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

i hope u read it ..

thank's ^^
 
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and guy's i was asking fo ur Ideas about the prophet ( pbah )

not is jesus is god ?

or is the christian faith true ?

dont ge mad at me for asking ..

and if i upset u an any way am sorry .. ^^
 
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juliet84

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guy's Please ..

there is no way that an ' Intelligent ' can think that god is 3 .. !!

and if i ask how u tell me ( 3 but 1 god )

what .!!!!!!!

and than u said habe ' faith ' ??

come on guy's look for the truth search a littel bit ..!

here u go

Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

i hope u read it ..

thank's ^^

I feel really sorry for you for not being able to see the truth yet. I hope maybe one day you will. And I pray that you will find a way to understand the concept of trinity like I did. Why not study more about Christ, and I have faith that He will help you understand what you need to understand if you have the will and desire to know more about Him.

God Bless
 
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juliet84

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and guy's i was asking fo ur Ideas about the prophet ( pbah )

not is jesus is god ?

or is the christian faith true ?

dont ge mad at me for asking ..

and if i upset u an any way am sorry .. ^^
Yesl you did ask about our opinion on the prophet, and we answered, although in one of your posts, you said you cant accept Jesus as Son of God, and therefore, we are trying to explain for you to understand.

God Bless
 
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TheTruthWillSetYouFree

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one7, do you really think that God is so simple that He is can't be Triune?

Think of it this way; Time is made up of the past, the present, and the future, correct? They are all distinct, yet they are all one (Time). They all belong together (Time), yet they are also three distinct things. Likewise, God is made up of The Father, The Son, and the Holy Ghost. They are all distinct, yet there are all one (God). They all belong together (God), yet they are also three distinct things .

Yes, it is confusing, but that doesn't mean it's wrong.

Now, Jesus is God. That's indisputable.
Jesus died on the cross; we have numerous canonical and extra-canonical (not in the Bible) eyewitness, primary sources which prove it.
Islam is false; Muhummad is not a real prophet. I already showed you the verse which says that "even if an Angel from heaven gives you scripture to be added on, let them be eternally condemned". Obviously Muhummad falls into this category.
 
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Timofree

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and guy's i was asking fo ur Ideas about the prophet ( pbah )

not is jesus is god ?

or is the christian faith true ?

dont ge mad at me for asking ..

and if i upset u an any way am sorry .. ^^
I don't think you'll of upset anyone.........I've heard people say before Jesus isn't God, just as I've had someone tell me I wasn't a Christian (because I told them about sin :rolleyes:), this doesn't worry or offend me, as with His help I stand firm in Christ, and what I have believed and experienced to be true.

As for Muhammed, I haven't really looked into him, I have more than enough learning about Jesus......but I appreciate it's good to have a knowledge of religions, so will have a look at that wiki page. :)
 
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juliet84

u said that u r a muslim ..


but than u dont answer a sipmle q !!

please dont say that u ' was ' a muslim that's just not cool ..
 
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and btw

at least we know about jesus study'd about jesus ..

what christian's know about the prophet muhammed ?

0 that what u know about him ..

and if u search for islam a littel bit you'l see the truth an have a good feeling inside ^^
 
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jimmydiggs

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Muslims claim that Jesus prayed using the Muslim prayer posture, along with all the prophets. Yet Jesus instructed his disciples to pray while standing up. (Mark 11:25), King David prayed while sitting in (2 Sam 7:18), and Paul instructed prayer in church with hands lifted up in the air. (1 Tim 2:8) My question is: If Jesus was a Muslim, why would he instruct his disciples to pray standing up? And when it says Jesus fell on his face and prayed, how do you know he was not fully prostrate?

Muslims claim that Muhammad always worshipped Allah in a 100% correct way, without the need for any restoral. My question is: If this is true, then why did Muhammad pray towards Jerusalem for the first 5 years of his prophethood, and later redirected his prays towards Mecca? And did Jesus pray towards Mecca 5 times a towards Jerusalem or Mecca?

The Bible defines a miracle as something that defies the laws of nature. Muslims claim the Koran is a miracle merely because it was allegedly transmitted perfectly without alteration and flaw till the second coming. Since the Harry Potter books will certainly be transmitted perfectly without alteration or flaw, and be around until the second coming, my question is: does this make the Harry Potter books a miracle like the Koran?
 
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juliet84

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juliet84

u said that u r a muslim ..


but than u dont answer a sipmle q !!

please dont say that u ' was ' a muslim that's just not cool ..
I told you the truth that I was, and I didnt want you to think that I didnt know anything about your religion. I didnt answer your questions (you asked me to tell you the name of your God, and what are the pillars of Islam) because I didnt think they are important to me since I am now a Christ-follower..and to add to you saying that it is the truth and that we would feel good inside if we know about it, well, sorry to say that if I did feel good I wouldnt be seeking for it, and be a Christian instead
 
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I told you the truth that I was, and I didnt want you to think that I didnt know anything about your religion. I didnt answer your questions (you asked me to tell you the name of your God, and what are the pillars of Islam) because I didnt think they are important to me since I am now a Christ-follower..and to add to you saying that it is the truth and that we would feel good inside if we know about it, well, sorry to say that if I did feel good I wouldnt be seeking for it, and be a Christian instead
nice try ..

if u know anything about islam u answer the q ^^

but what could i say 30% of christian ppl claime to be muslim before loool ^^
 
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jimmydiggs

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Muslims claim that the New Testament story of Jesus dying on the cross is a corruption of the truth and that Allah made it appear that Jesus died on the cross, as per Q4:157. My question is: How can Muslims claim that they believe any of the New Testament was originally revealed by God, since the corruption must have begun at the cross.
 
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Muslims claim that Jesus prayed using the Muslim prayer posture, along with all the prophets. Yet Jesus instructed his disciples to pray while standing up. (Mark 11:25), King David prayed while sitting in (2 Sam 7:18), and Paul instructed prayer in church with hands lifted up in the air. (1 Tim 2:8) My question is: If Jesus was a Muslim, why would he instruct his disciples to pray standing up? And when it says Jesus fell on his face and prayed, how do you know he was not fully prostrate?

Muslims claim that Muhammad always worshipped Allah in a 100% correct way, without the need for any restoral. My question is: If this is true, then why did Muhammad pray towards Jerusalem for the first 5 years of his prophethood, and later redirected his prays towards Mecca? And did Jesus pray towards Mecca 5 times a towards Jerusalem or Mecca?

The Bible defines a miracle as something that defies the laws of nature. Muslims claim the Koran is a miracle merely because it was allegedly transmitted perfectly without alteration and flaw till the second coming. Since the Harry Potter books will certainly be transmitted perfectly without alteration or flaw, and be around until the second coming, my question is: does this make the Harry Potter books a miracle like the Koran?
omg ..

dude read about islam a littel bit than come tallk to me

and btw am only 17 am ^^

and btw before mecca the Jerusalem was the ( qebla )

because mohammed was out of mecca because of the
Infidels ..

and than mohammed missd and then return to mecca ^^
 
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Muslims claim that the New Testament story of Jesus dying on the cross is a corruption of the truth and that Allah made it appear that Jesus died on the cross, as per Q4:157. My question is: How can Muslims claim that they believe any of the New Testament was originally revealed by God, since the corruption must have begun at the cross.
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see the ruth man !!
 
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jimmydiggs

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Muslims claim, that a proof the Koran was from God, is that it contains scientifically accurate information about Embryology before man discovered it for himself. However, all the information in the Koran regarding Embryology is copied from three sources, 1. A Greek doctor named Galen, who lived of 150 AD. 2. A Jewish doctor named Samuel ha-Yehudi who lived 150 AD. 3. the Greek father of medicine Hippocrates who lived 400 BC. My question is: in light of the fact that all the information contained in the Koran was already in print by these three doctors, will you retract the argument on Embryology? If not, will you supply one detail revealed in the Koran about Embryology, that was not already revealed or that was new?


Muslims claim, that a proof that the Koran was from God is that it contains scientifically accurate information about Embryology, yet in 86:6-7 the Koran says, "man was created from ejected liquid- Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs". This echoes the scientific error of Hippocrates who believed semen originates, from the brain down the spinal chord, before passing through the kidneys and finally out of the body. (Hippocratic Writings, Penguin Classics, 1983, p. 317) My question is: do you reject modern science and believe the Koran when it says sperm originates from the mid-gut section of a man's body.


Muslims quote an article written in 1957 by the Jehovah's Witnesses who stated there were 50,000 errors in the translation of the King James version. My question is: Even if this were true, (which of course it is not), how does this prove there is corruption in the original Greek MSS from which the King James version was translated?


Muslims claim, that the many different translations of the English Bible will render a single text with many different words and phrases. You said this was proof the Bible is corrupted and that the Koran reads exactly the same way everywhere in the world in Arabic. My question is: Since the many English translations of the Koran also render a single text with many different words, does that proof that the Koran is corrupted?

Muslims believe the word Allah was used by Jesus when he hung on the cross. The Bible records that Jesus said "Eli Eli lama sabachthani", but you say Jesus really cried out to Allah and said "Allah, Allah lama sabachthani" My question is: Would you please explain why you would use this argument when you don't believe Jesus ever hung on the cross? And second, since Jesus was quoting Ps 22:1 on the cross, isn't rather unlikely that both the Hebrew Old Testament and the Greek New Testament are wrong using Eli, a Hebrew word, rather than Allah, an arab word?


Muslims chide Christians because the earliest complete copies of the Bible were written 300 years after the originals of the first century. Yet Muslim scholars state the earliest copy of the Koran was written no earlier than 150 years after Muhammad died. My question is: in light of this fact, how could the Koran possibly be better than the Bible and would you please state the name and location and date of the earliest Koran you believe to be in existence?


Both the Samarqand MSS is in Tashkent, and the MSS housed in the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul are written in the script style called "Kufic". And not the earlier style known as Ma'il or Mashq. This fact is the reason Muslim scholars date these manuscripts no earlier than 200 years after Muhammad died. My question is: leaving aside blind faith and wishful thinking, what evidence do you supply that these MSS were written any earlier?


The British Museum in London has an ancient copy of the Koran written in the Ma'il style of script, but practicing Muslim scholar Martin Lings, who is the former curator for the manuscripts of the British Museum, dates this manuscript at 790 AD. My question is: Apart from just making the claim, what evidence do you supply that this MSS were written any earlier?


The text of the Koran in 37:103 reads "they had both submitted their wills (became Muslims)" while the Arabic text of the Tashkent MSS gives the exact opposite meaning, "they did not submitted their wills" (they did NOT become Muslims.) My question is: have you actually read the Tashkent MSS for yourself in this passage and how do you explain this textual variation given your comments on the miracle of the perfect Koran?
 
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jimmydiggs

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and btw am only 17 am ^^
I'm 18. Learn to defend Islam, or abandon it.. Oh wait, I forgot you can't do that. In Wahhabi Arabia, you will be killed for being an apostate.


I understand, it is very scary for you to admit to the truth, especially when in your own country you will be killed for simply finding the truth.
 
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Muslims claim, that a proof the Koran was from God, is that it contains scientifically accurate information about Embryology before man discovered it for himself. However, all the information in the Koran regarding Embryology is copied from three sources, 1. A Greek doctor named Galen, who lived of 150 AD. 2. A Jewish doctor named Samuel ha-Yehudi who lived 150 AD. 3. the Greek father of medicine Hippocrates who lived 400 BC. My question is: in light of the fact that all the information contained in the Koran was already in print by these three doctors, will you retract the argument on Embryology? If not, will you supply one detail revealed in the Koran about Embryology, that was not already revealed or that was new?


Muslims claim, that a proof that the Koran was from God is that it contains scientifically accurate information about Embryology, yet in 86:6-7 the Koran says, "man was created from ejected liquid- Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs". This echoes the scientific error of Hippocrates who believed semen originates, from the brain down the spinal chord, before passing through the kidneys and finally out of the body. (Hippocratic Writings, Penguin Classics, 1983, p. 317) My question is: do you reject modern science and believe the Koran when it says sperm originates from the mid-gut section of a man's body.


Muslims quote an article written in 1957 by the Jehovah's Witnesses who stated there were 50,000 errors in the translation of the King James version. My question is: Even if this were true, (which of course it is not), how does this prove there is corruption in the original Greek MSS from which the King James version was translated?


Muslims claim, that the many different translations of the English Bible will render a single text with many different words and phrases. You said this was proof the Bible is corrupted and that the Koran reads exactly the same way everywhere in the world in Arabic. My question is: Since the many English translations of the Koran also render a single text with many different words, does that proof that the Koran is corrupted?

Muslims believe the word Allah was used by Jesus when he hung on the cross. The Bible records that Jesus said "Eli Eli lama sabachthani", but you say Jesus really cried out to Allah and said "Allah, Allah lama sabachthani" My question is: Would you please explain why you would use this argument when you don't believe Jesus ever hung on the cross? And second, since Jesus was quoting Ps 22:1 on the cross, isn't rather unlikely that both the Hebrew Old Testament and the Greek New Testament are wrong using Eli, a Hebrew word, rather than Allah, an arab word?


Muslims chide Christians because the earliest complete copies of the Bible were written 300 years after the originals of the first century. Yet Muslim scholars state the earliest copy of the Koran was written no earlier than 150 years after Muhammad died. My question is: in light of this fact, how could the Koran possibly be better than the Bible and would you please state the name and location and date of the earliest Koran you believe to be in existence?


Both the Samarqand MSS is in Tashkent, and the MSS housed in the Topkapi Museum in Istanbul are written in the script style called "Kufic". And not the earlier style known as Ma'il or Mashq. This fact is the reason Muslim scholars date these manuscripts no earlier than 200 years after Muhammad died. My question is: leaving aside blind faith and wishful thinking, what evidence do you supply that these MSS were written any earlier?


The British Museum in London has an ancient copy of the Koran written in the Ma'il style of script, but practicing Muslim scholar Martin Lings, who is the former curator for the manuscripts of the British Museum, dates this manuscript at 790 AD. My question is: Apart from just making the claim, what evidence do you supply that this MSS were written any earlier?


The text of the Koran in 37:103 reads "they had both submitted their wills (became Muslims)" while the Arabic text of the Tashkent MSS gives the exact opposite meaning, "they did not submitted their wills" (they did NOT become Muslims.) My question is: have you actually read the Tashkent MSS for yourself in this passage and how do you explain this textual variation given your comments on the miracle of the perfect Koran?
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