Hi .. can any one answer me ??

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jimmydiggs

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Qur’an 18:9, makes into real history, the second century myth of 7 Christian youths who were persecuted for their faith and went to sleep in a cave for 300 years and then woke up with no ill effects. In the original myth the hero is a Christian, but in the Koran the hero is a Muslim. My question is: in the absence of any copyright laws when the Koran was written, are you at least prepared to pay compensation to the living relatives of the author of this myth? If not, would you be in favor of going starting up a charity fund to compensate for damages of copyright infringement?



Koran 5:116, represents Christians as worshipping Mary which is a historical error. Given the fact that the pagan Arabs did worship Mary’s idol in the Kaba, and that history records no group of Christians had ever worshiped Mary at this time, my question is would you please name the sect of Christians who worshiped Mary at the time of Muhammad?



Muslim's reject the doctrine of inherited sin of Adam but teach the Immaculate Conception of Mary. The reason the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception was invented was to remove inherited sin. My question is: since you reject the doctrine of inherited sin and believe all men are born without sin, why do Muslim's teach the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception of Mary?



In Koran 7:125, death by crucifixion is stated to exist at the time of Moses in 1500BC. Yet Encyclopedia Britannica, in harmony with all records of history, reports that crucifixion did not exist any earlier than 500 BC. My question is: to how do you explain this blaring historical error, and do you just disregard the history of the world merely because the Karen says otherwise?



Muslim scholar, Tabbarah, said in his book, The Spirit of Islam, "Moslems do not worship the Black Stone, but only show special reverence and veneration for its dignity and they kiss it only after the example of the Prophet and to keep their Covenant with God to obey His Will and avoid His disobedience." (Tabbarah, The Spirit of Islam, p. 173, Muslim). Focusing on Tabbarah’s key phrase of showing reverence and veneration to the Black Stone, My question is do you see any difference between the Muslim practice of kissing showing reverence and venerating the Black Stone and the Catholic practice of pope John Paul II kissing the statute of the Virgin Mary with reverence and veneration?



Informed Christians know there is no passage and the Koran that says the Bible is lost altered or corrupted. My question is would you please list all the passages you know where the Qur'an says the Bible that was in the hands of the Christians at the time of Muhammad had been corrupted?



Muslims will quote Quran 2:79 as a verse where the Koran says the canon of the Bible is corrupted, "Then woe to those who write the Book with their own hands, and then say: "This is from God," to traffic with it for miserable price!" My question is: If this verse refers to the corruption of the Bible, then why did Muhammad command Christians to follow the Bible they possessed in 600 AD in Quran 2:89; 7:157? And is this the only verse in the Koran that says the Bible is corrupt? (see also Quran 2:40-42,126,136,285; 3:3,71,93; 4:47,136; 5:47-51, 69,71-72; 6:91; 10:37,94; 21:7; 29:45,46; 35:31; 46:11)



Muslims will quote Jer 8:8 as proof that the Old Testament canon is corrupt, "How can you say, ‘We are wise, And the law of the Lord is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes Has made it into a lie" Yet this verse is clearly speaking of the written scribal interpretations of the Bible as Jesus condemned in Mt 15:1-14. Here Jesus accused the Scribes of the same thing regarding washing of hands and Corban, "you invalidate the written word of God for the sake of your tradition." My question is: is this the only text in the Bible where you claim the canon was corrupted? If not quote the other texts.
 
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btw am here for fun not for anything else ^^

and btw dont try anything with me


am 100% muslim and i alway's will be ..

thank u christian ppl ^^
 
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dude dont copy and Paste that just not cool ..
 
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jimmydiggs

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dude dont copy and Paste that just not cool ..
Why re-write something that's already been written up? You did the exact same thing by posting youtube videos.
 
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JF

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Jesus said every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that I am Lord of Lords and Kings of Kings
 
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jimmydiggs

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One7, the leaders of your own country don't follow Allah.


WikiLeaks: The raucous underground lifestyle of young Saudi royals - Telegraph <--- click


"Behind the facade of Wahhabi conservatism in the streets, the underground nightlife for Jeddah's elite youth is thriving and throbbing. The full range of worldly temptations and vices are available &#8211; alcohol, drugs, sex &#8211; but strictly behind closed doors," read the cable, which is dated November 18, 2009.


Consular officials attended the party in Jeddah at the mansion of a young prince, whose name was removed from the cable released by the website. Though not in line for the throne, the host was among thousands of princes who enjoy a state purse, round-the-clock security and sufficient clout to prevent the feared religious police from spoiling their fun.

There was no trace of the Commission for the Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice as about 150 young men and women in their 20s and 30s attended the party, leaving their prohibitive local attire at the cloakroom to reveal their party clothes underneath.

"The scene resembled a nightclub anywhere outside the Kingdom: plentiful alcohol, young couples dancing, a DJ at the turntables, and everyone in costume," said the cable.
 
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juliet84

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Jimmydiggs LOL i enjoy reading ur posts in this thread...Well done!
 
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jimmydiggs

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One7, why did you change your place of location after I brought up the Saudi Royals?

I really think you don't understand your religion. I think you know very little about it. Have you ever examined what your beliefs actually are? I do this every day that someone asks a question about Christianity that I have not had to answer before, and then I have to hunt for the answer. Every time, I get the answer.


I didn't start life as a Christian. Infact, I've got some months left before I've been on this road for a year. I considered Orthodox Judaism at one time because I almost couldn't believe Christ was the Messiah because a few arguements were made that I couldn't answer until later. Would it be okay to kill a Jew?

I know what it's like to have to question the way you view the world when someone presents a well thought out arguement. It's very stressful, and it will consume your mind. Just thinking about, "how does X effect Y". In your case, how does reality effect Islam.


I've studied other religions a fair amount, I can tell you... from previously holding the non-religious stance.. that Christianity by far has the monopoly on validity in comparison to other religions.



One7, do you know what water is?



Did you know that Ice and Fog are both made up of water, but in differe states? Similar concept with the Trinity. God the father is like the Ice. He is the solid foundation of it all. Christ is the water. The water fills us, and replenishes us. The Fog, is the Holy ghost. It effects how we see things, and how we decide what to do, or not do.
 
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lol


Jimmydiggs why r u being so mean ?

and i change the flag because of the hateful Letters i got ^^

and ur right am only 17 dude what do u Expect

Ahmed Deedat?? loooool
 
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and btw

you'r all have been Brain Wash'd

and i realize that most of the christian ppl r hatefull Against islam

am never coming here again

bye and rhank u for the post's
 
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jimmydiggs

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lol


Jimmydiggs why r u being so mean ?

and i change the flag because of the hateful Letters i got ^^

and ur right am only 17 dude what do u Expect

Ahmed Deedat?? loooool
So criticism is mean?
 
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jimmydiggs

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and btw

you'r all have been Brain Wash'd

and i realize that most of the christian ppl r hatefull Against islam

am never coming here again

bye and rhank u for the post's
Brain washed?!?! You are being mean, and I realize that most of the muslim people are hateful against christianity. I'm never leaving here again. Hello, and you're welcome for the posts.
 
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Tigr10

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Hey Ya'll!!

I'm new to this and became a christian this past summer! I love the lord with all my heart and sole.....He has blessed me with so many things in life! I would love to do more with my life and help people! I am majoring in social work in college,and would love to work in the adoption field!
 
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jimmydiggs

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Hello Tigr10, welcome ot Christian Chat.
 
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Credo_ut_Intelligam

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One7,

You've asked a few different questions here and made a few different assertions. Let me see if I can give some answeres.

1. You ask: "sorry guy's but what kind of religion think that god died !!"

Well, I'm not actually going to answer this question since JimmyDiggs gave you a good link that answers this question in away that I think is adequate (see post # 12).

2. You said: "jesus is not son of god."

This is an issue that Muslims are usually divided over. One group of Muslims will argue that Jesus cannot be the son of God because God cannot have sons and it is absurd. Another group of Muslims (in fact I had a Muslim on this website tell me this) admit that Jesus is the son of God, but that this is insignificant since many other people in Scripture are said to be sons of God: Deuteronomy 14:1 &#8220;You are the sons of the Lord your God&#8230;"

So I guess the Muslims have their bases covered: Jesus isn't the son of God, or else he is the son of God but it doesn't matter because lots of other people are said to be the same.

The response to this is that Jesus is the *unique* son of God (John 1:14, 18) and he is not a son in the earthly sense of God procreating with a female. I think that answers the "son of God" objection either way you try to go with it.

3. You ask: "if jesus want to take the soul of a person at 9:30 and god the father want to take it at 10:30 how get the Decision ?"

Jesus, being subordinate, does the will of the Father. So they take it at 10:30 ;)

4. You ask: "if jesus was son of god why would god made his own son die a Harsh dath ??

The Father didn't *make* Jesus die a harsh death in the sense of coercion against his will. The son, Jesus, *willing* went to the cross and paid the penalty for our sins (John 10:17-18). How can the Father and Son agree to this? Love.

5. You ask: "if god like to have kid's why he did't have more than one ?"

God doesn't like to have kids in the sense of procreation. The trouble is that you are misunderstanding the sense in which Jesus is the son. But even if he did, why should we think that if he wants one kid he must want more than one kid? That doesn't logically follow. Lots of couples only want one kid and no more than one kid.

6. You ask: "what is the holy Spirit !!?"

The third person of the Godhead. I'll explain the whole trinity thing in a subsequent post.

7. You state: "there is no way that an ' Intelligent ' can think that god is 3 .. !!"

It is true that we cannot fully comprehend the triune nature of God. But surely you agree that a finite mind cannot ever comprehensively understand an infinite, eternal, and unchangeable being ? Doesn't Islam teach that God is infinite, eternal, and unchangeable? If so, then the God of Islam is just as incomprehensible as the God of Christianity. In fact, the very terms "infinite," "eternal," and "unchangeable" are negations. They take things that we know from experience (finiteness and temporality and changeableness) and negate them *because they are beyond our experience*. So we cannot ever fully grasp these concepts. But we can understand them up to a point. Likewise, we can understand the Trinity up to a point.

I'll try to explain the Trinity from Scripture as briefly as possible in the next post.
 
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Credo_ut_Intelligam

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1. One God.

Scripture is clear that there is one God:

Deuteronomy 6:4 &#8220;Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one."

Clearly, Scripture refers to a deity as "Father" (Matthew 6:9 "Pray then like this: 'Our Father in heaven&#8230;'"). This should be the least controversial point of all. There is one God, and this one God is called Father.

2. Jesus.

Next we have Jesus. That Jesus is God is clearly seen in passages from the Old Testament that are applied to Christ in the New Testament, and these Old Testament passages are speaking of Yahweh. Obviously, Yahweh is God. But if the New Testament takes an Old Testament passage that speaks of Yahweh (who is God) and applies it to Jesus, then clearly Jesus is God.

One such passage is Hebrews 1:11-12. The author says of Jesus "They shall perish; but thou continuest: And they all shall wax old as doth a garment; And as a mantle shalt thou roll them up, As a garment, and they shall be changed: But thou art the same, And thy years shall not fail." The author of Hebrews says that this is written about Jesus. But the author of Hebrews is quoting the Old Testament: Psa 102:25-27. But when you look at the entire Psalm, you can see that it is speaking about Jehovah (Yahweh): Starting in verse 12, "But thou, O Jehovah (Yahweh), wilt abide for ever; And thy memorial name unto all generations. Thou wilt arise, and have mercy upon Zion&#8230; So the nations shall fear the name of Jehovah, And all the kings of the earth thy glory. For Jehovah hath built up Zion; He hath appeared in his glory....From heaven did Jehovah behold the earth...Of old didst thou lay the foundation of the earth; And the heavens are the work of thy hands. They shall perish, but thou shalt endure; Yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; As a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed: But thou art the same, And thy years shall have no end."

There are a ton of other passages we could look at. But I want to keep this as short as possible. But a sample of these other passages are: 1 Peter 2:3 speaking of Jesus while quoting Psa. 34:7 which speaks of Yahweh, 1 Peter 2:7-8 quoting Isaiah 8:13-15, and Mark 2:19-20 applying themes from Isaiah 61:10, 62:5, and Jeremiah 2:2. This seems sufficient to demonstrate that Jesus is Yahweh and since Yahweh is clearly God in the Old Testament, Jesus is God.

3. The Holy Spirit.

Scripture also seems clear that the Holy Spirit is a person. The Holy Spirit speaks (Acts 13:2) and can be grieved (Eph. 4:30). These are things persons do. But Scripture also indicates that the Holy Spirit is God. For instance, in Acts 5:3&#8211;4 Peter says, &#8220;Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit &#8230;" and then explains to Ananias that he has "not lied to men but to God.&#8221;

Preliminary Conclusion

So if this was all the information that we had, we might say that the names "Holy Spirit," "Jesus," and "Father" are all different names for God. So we have one God with a variety of names that are descriptive of the different ways that he relates to us. But(!) there is more Scriptural data that is relevant to this issue.

Different Persons

Scripture is clear that Jesus is not the Father. This point should be fairly uncontroversial (accept for the modalists). In order to make this point, simply consider all the passages that Muslims (and Jehovah's Witnesses) often appeal to in order to show that Jesus is not God: e.g., Jesus prayed to the Father (Luke 5:16, Mat. 6:9).

Scripture also indicates that the Holy Spirit is someone distinct from the Father and from the Son: in John 14:26 Jesus said, "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, he will teach you all things and bring to your remembrance all that I have said to you." Now if the Holy Spirit is just another name for the Father/Son, then this is a very odd way of speaking.

The idea that Father/Son/Holy Spirit are just different names for the one person of God is often illustrated in this manner: I can be a father (to my son), a son (to my father), and a counselor (at my work). But imagine using the same sort of language that Jesus does here in John 14:26. You call up your son on the telephone and say "Hi Timmy. The father will be home from work a little late tonight because the counselor cant send him until he finishes this last appointment. Tell grandpa that the son loves him. Bye."

Pretty absurd right? The language in its most natural sense indicates that there are three different persons being spoken of. There are many other verses that make this point even stronger. For example in Luke 3:22 the Holy Spirit descends upon Jesus. But if the Holy Spirit is just another label for the same person of Jesus then we are left with a very odd picture: Jesus descending upon Jesus. Or Jesus' "Holy Spirit relation" (whatever that is) descending upon his "Jesus relation"&#8230; You end up with a view that has to take language so far out of its natural context that it is far weirder than anything Trinitarianism asserts!

Conclusion

So Christians, in their attempt to affirm all the truths of Scripture, have concluded that there are three distinct persons (the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit), but that these persons are each God and that there is only one God. The doctrine of the Trinity is the result of trying to affirm each of these things that Christians believe are taught in Scripture.