Meaning Baptism of the Holy Spirit
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"Baptise" simply means immerse. When we are born again, the Holy Spirit puts us into Christ. When we are baptised in the Holy Spirit, it is Christ putting us into the Holy Spirit. Lord Jesus lives in the new, born again spirit of the believer. It is the spirit that is then immersed in the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit indwelling is in effect Jesus in a form that we can receive. The baptism of the Holy Spirit empowers the believer for service in God's kingdom. It is possible to be baptised in the Holy Spirit and have great power and yet be unspiritual in fruit and life. The church in Corinth demonstrates this.
As to when, it is any time that a believer realises their need. God offers complete salvation in Christ. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is already available, poured out when Jesus was exalted. A Christian may be born again and not baptised in the Spirit. However, those who are not born again cannot receive the baptism of the Spirit.
It helps to know that gifts can be counterfeit. Not so with the fruit of the Spirit. The garment worn by the High Priest had a hem with alternating pomegranates and gold bells sown on. Fruit and gifts is the best way.
The Holy Spirit indwelling is in effect Jesus in a form that we can receive. The baptism of the Holy Spirit empowers the believer for service in God's kingdom. It is possible to be baptised in the Holy Spirit and have great power and yet be unspiritual in fruit and life. The church in Corinth demonstrates this.
As to when, it is any time that a believer realises their need. God offers complete salvation in Christ. The baptism of the Holy Spirit is already available, poured out when Jesus was exalted. A Christian may be born again and not baptised in the Spirit. However, those who are not born again cannot receive the baptism of the Spirit.
It helps to know that gifts can be counterfeit. Not so with the fruit of the Spirit. The garment worn by the High Priest had a hem with alternating pomegranates and gold bells sown on. Fruit and gifts is the best way.
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Mem you say above: A Christian may be born again and not baptised in the Spirit. However, those who are not born again cannot receive the baptism of the Spirit.
I agree with this. So then, by this above statement, you mean: the Holy Spirt FIRST dwells in the heart (IN) and then the BAPTISM takes place = HS comes UPON ( the outside of the Believer ).
Mem you say above: A Christian may be born again and not baptised in the Spirit. However, those who are not born again cannot receive the baptism of the Spirit.
I agree with this. So then, by this above statement, you mean: the Holy Spirt FIRST dwells in the heart (IN) and then the BAPTISM takes place = HS comes UPON ( the outside of the Believer ).
OP: meaning baptism OF the Holy Spirit?
Precious friend, appreciate the questions, but, seems to me, if I may kindly say,
the progression got off 'on the wrong foot', so:
Did you mean to ask "meaning of 'baptism WITH The Holy Spirit'?":
Because God's Word Of Truth Also Has Another Baptism 'BY The Holy Spirit', and
since 'water' is also Confusing many "in salvation and receiving The Holy Spirit,"
let us see this if this tri-fold baptism summary may be helpful:
(1) Prophecy/Covenants/Law for ISRAEL:
water baptism was man's operation, Commanded by God
to John the baptizer, and then by Christ to:
►►► The Twelve apostles who Were Sent to {water} baptize! ◄◄◄
The TWO Main (of 12) baptismS =
A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!":
(Matthew_3:5-6; Mark_1:4; Luke_3:3; John_1:31; Luke 7:29-30; Acts_10:37)
(Matthew_28:19; Mark_16:16; Acts_2:38, 22:16; Ezekiel_36:25)
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This Is The Baptism That "Christ Performed" after ascending Into Heaven:
B) Baptism WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for
power, signs And wonders!
(Isaiah_44:3; Matthew_3:11; Mark_1:8, 16:17-18;
Luke_24:49; Acts_2:17-18, 38, 8:15-17, 11:16)
Prophecy/Covenants/Law
Q: Are these TWO "still Required" By God, for us, Today, Under Grace?
Bible Answer:
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:
(2) Mystery/GRACE! =
our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:
►►► Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?: ◄◄◄
Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,
Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!
(Ephesians_4:5; Colossians_2:12; Galatians_3:27;
Romans_6:3-4; ►►► 1 Corinthians 12:13 KJB ◄◄◄)
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FULL study of ONE Baptism for today's Dispensation of Grace...
Any further questions, please don't hesitate to ask -
and, Precious friend:
Please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged And Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II).
Grace, Peace, And JOY!… + RICH Blessings
Precious friend, appreciate the questions, but, seems to me, if I may kindly say,
the progression got off 'on the wrong foot', so:
Did you mean to ask "meaning of 'baptism WITH The Holy Spirit'?":
Because God's Word Of Truth Also Has Another Baptism 'BY The Holy Spirit', and
since 'water' is also Confusing many "in salvation and receiving The Holy Spirit,"
let us see this if this tri-fold baptism summary may be helpful:
Three baptisms, Rightly Divided, Within God's Contexts:
(1) Prophecy/Covenants/Law for ISRAEL:
water baptism was man's operation, Commanded by God
to John the baptizer, and then by Christ to:
►►► The Twelve apostles who Were Sent to {water} baptize! ◄◄◄
The TWO Main (of 12) baptismS =
A) water, For remission of sins/induction into Israeli "priesthood!":
(Matthew_3:5-6; Mark_1:4; Luke_3:3; John_1:31; Luke 7:29-30; Acts_10:37)
(Matthew_28:19; Mark_16:16; Acts_2:38, 22:16; Ezekiel_36:25)
+
This Is The Baptism That "Christ Performed" after ascending Into Heaven:
B) Baptism WITH The Holy Spirit, Poured Out By CHRIST, for
power, signs And wonders!
(Isaiah_44:3; Matthew_3:11; Mark_1:8, 16:17-18;
Luke_24:49; Acts_2:17-18, 38, 8:15-17, 11:16)
Prophecy/Covenants/Law
Q: Are these TWO "still Required" By God, for us, Today, Under Grace?
Bible Answer:
Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2:15) From “Things That DIFFER!” {online}:
(2) Mystery/GRACE! =
our "apostle to the Gentiles" for The Body Of CHRIST:
►►► Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?: ◄◄◄
Today: Only ONE Baptism = "BY" The ONE Spirit = God's OPERATION,
Spiritually Identifying members In (The ONE Body Of) CHRIST!!
(Ephesians_4:5; Colossians_2:12; Galatians_3:27;
Romans_6:3-4; ►►► 1 Corinthians 12:13 KJB ◄◄◄)
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FULL study of ONE Baptism for today's Dispensation of Grace...
Any further questions, please don't hesitate to ask -
and, Precious friend:
Please Be Very RICHLY Encouraged And Edified In
The LORD JESUS CHRIST, And His Word Of Truth, Rightly
Divided (+ I and II).
Grace, Peace, And JOY!… + RICH Blessings
I'' CONFUSED, ABOUT ONE OF YOUR ANSWERS ABOVE.
YOU SAY " ►►► Paul Was Not Sent to {water} baptize! Why Not?: ◄◄◄ "
SCRIPTURE SAYS:
Act 19:1
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And it happened, while Apollos was at Corinth, that Paul, having passed through the upper regions, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples
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he said to them, “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?” So they said to him, “We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit.”
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And he said to them, “Into what then were you baptized?” So they said, “Into John’s baptism.”
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Then Paul said, “John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.”
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When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
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And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied.
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Now the men were about twelve in all.
VS. 5. Clearly Paul WATER BAPTIZED the Ephesians. They didn't baptize themselves. Right ?
We are given the Holy Spirit at the moment we are born again. The third member of the Trinity makes us His dwelling place. He makes available comfort and understanding to all who will acknowledge Him and listen.
Welcome to CC, dear brother!
Welcome to CC, dear brother!
I agree with this general statement. Would you agree that this born again manifestation of HS ... in the heart of the Believer ... happens based on the principle of Romans 10:9-10 ! Assuming that repentance is all part of that confessing JESUS and believing God has raised Him from the dead.
Do you agree, that the pouring out of Holy Spirit ... as you say ... is what is called being Baptized in the Holy Spirit as promised by Jesus Lk 24:49 and Acts 1:5 and 8. ( = which is the Promise of the Father --- according to Joel 2.28 and Peter ... Acts 2.16 ... that the speaking in tongues was the sign ... Spirit was givien) ???
Baptized in the HS meaning, like water baptism ... HS coming UPON the OUTSIDE of the 120 believers ... NOT IN the believers. Why? The 120 were already Born Again ... before Pentecost ... according to the principle of Romans 10:9-10 ... they saw and confessed Jesus reurrected before Pentecost and they believed God had raised Him from the dead.
In addition, in John 20:22, Jesus BLEW on the 10 disciples ( 12 less Judas and James, who were not there ) and said: RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT. When Jesus SAYS something ... it happens = they got HS IN them !
Why wasn't HS UPON the 10 disciples and/or the 120 ? In Acts 1:5 ( ? 40 days after He blew upon them ), Jesus told these 10 and/or the 120, “for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” So, this evidences a 2nd manifestation of HS.
Granted when HS CAME UPON them at Pentecost ... HS also FILLED them ... thus assuming, even though they were Born Again ( HS in them ) ... they needed a fill-up !
Baptized in the HS meaning, like water baptism ... HS coming UPON the OUTSIDE of the 120 believers ... NOT IN the believers. Why? The 120 were already Born Again ... before Pentecost ... according to the principle of Romans 10:9-10 ... they saw and confessed Jesus reurrected before Pentecost and they believed God had raised Him from the dead.
In addition, in John 20:22, Jesus BLEW on the 10 disciples ( 12 less Judas and James, who were not there ) and said: RECEIVE THE HOLY SPIRIT. When Jesus SAYS something ... it happens = they got HS IN them !
Why wasn't HS UPON the 10 disciples and/or the 120 ? In Acts 1:5 ( ? 40 days after He blew upon them ), Jesus told these 10 and/or the 120, “for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.” So, this evidences a 2nd manifestation of HS.
Granted when HS CAME UPON them at Pentecost ... HS also FILLED them ... thus assuming, even though they were Born Again ( HS in them ) ... they needed a fill-up !
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The Baptism of the Holy Spirit is a once off event for the believer. Being filled with the Spirit is a continual process. (Ephesians 5:18). I was taught that the Greek literally says, "be being filled.." implying that it is more than a once off experience. As a Charismatic pastor I knew once said, "One baptism, many fillings".
I don't agree that tongues are the evidence for being baptised in the Holy Spirit. The most spiritual man I ever knew was baptised in the Holy Spirit about the same time as I was. He never spoke in tongues. I did, but I don't now. I am also well aware that it is possible to counterfeit the gift of tongues. My wife had a fake tongue before she was saved. This was the result of well meaning Pentecostals who pushed her into babbling nonsense then told her it was the Holy Spirit. I spoke in tongues the moment I was baptised in the Spirit.
The overemphasis on tongues has created division, distracted from the real purpose of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and taken away the glory from He who baptises us in His Spirit. It also feeds spiritual pride and an "us and them" mentality. We do not forbid speaking in tongues and my wife prays in tongues frequently. I no longer have a desire to pray in tongues.
I don't agree that tongues are the evidence for being baptised in the Holy Spirit. The most spiritual man I ever knew was baptised in the Holy Spirit about the same time as I was. He never spoke in tongues. I did, but I don't now. I am also well aware that it is possible to counterfeit the gift of tongues. My wife had a fake tongue before she was saved. This was the result of well meaning Pentecostals who pushed her into babbling nonsense then told her it was the Holy Spirit. I spoke in tongues the moment I was baptised in the Spirit.
The overemphasis on tongues has created division, distracted from the real purpose of the Baptism of the Holy Spirit and taken away the glory from He who baptises us in His Spirit. It also feeds spiritual pride and an "us and them" mentality. We do not forbid speaking in tongues and my wife prays in tongues frequently. I no longer have a desire to pray in tongues.
I was "Saved" (i.e. was Born again of the Holy Spirit) back in '63. That's when everything changed, and I wasn't suicidal any more, nor hopeless. being indwelled by the Holy Spirit will do that for you, and as frosting on the cake, I didn't smoke any more. I'd burned three packs a day (imagine what THAT would cost in 2023) for about a decade, and the morning after I was saved, I simply wasn't a "Smoker" any more, no withdrawal, no craving - nothing. I didn't QUIT smoking, I just no longer smoked. (more to that story). THAT let me know that things had changed.
Subsequently, In '73, I decided that (since I was a member of the Assemblies of God) that I should look into the "Baptism in the Holy Spirit" as Pentecostals call it.
Since the disciples were INDWELLED by the Holy SPirit in John 20:22, then Acts 2:4 was another breed of cat - referred to by Jesus as "Being Endued (externally clothed) with power. So at an FGBMFI meeting, I was prayed over to receive the "Baptism in the Holy SPirit".
Nothing happened.
About 3 weeks later, however, at another FGBMFI Meeting, during worship, an "odd word" came into my mind, and when I spoke it, there were more "odd words", which kept flowing into my mind as I spoke them. I realized that I was "Speaking in tongues". 58 years later I still do.
But more importantly, I was suddenly moved into an intense period of teaching in Home groups, and sunday school, when I had no ability to speak before a crowd of people, and expound Bible for a couple of hours, several times a week.
SO - my PERSONAL EXPERIENCE is that what's called "the baptism in the Holy Spirit", works exactly how the Bible says it does - gives you an ability to do things that simply weren't possible - before.
Subsequently, In '73, I decided that (since I was a member of the Assemblies of God) that I should look into the "Baptism in the Holy Spirit" as Pentecostals call it.
Since the disciples were INDWELLED by the Holy SPirit in John 20:22, then Acts 2:4 was another breed of cat - referred to by Jesus as "Being Endued (externally clothed) with power. So at an FGBMFI meeting, I was prayed over to receive the "Baptism in the Holy SPirit".
Nothing happened.
About 3 weeks later, however, at another FGBMFI Meeting, during worship, an "odd word" came into my mind, and when I spoke it, there were more "odd words", which kept flowing into my mind as I spoke them. I realized that I was "Speaking in tongues". 58 years later I still do.
But more importantly, I was suddenly moved into an intense period of teaching in Home groups, and sunday school, when I had no ability to speak before a crowd of people, and expound Bible for a couple of hours, several times a week.
SO - my PERSONAL EXPERIENCE is that what's called "the baptism in the Holy Spirit", works exactly how the Bible says it does - gives you an ability to do things that simply weren't possible - before.
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I was "Saved" (i.e. was Born again of the Holy Spirit) back in '63. That's when everything changed, and I wasn't suicidal any more, nor hopeless. being indwelled by the Holy Spirit will do that for you, and as frosting on the cake, I didn't smoke any more. I'd burned three packs a day (imagine what THAT would cost in 2023) for about a decade, and the morning after I was saved, I simply wasn't a "Smoker" any more, no withdrawal, no craving - nothing. I didn't QUIT smoking, I just no longer smoked. (more to that story). THAT let me know that things had changed.
Subsequently, In '73, I decided that (since I was a member of the Assemblies of God) that I should look into the "Baptism in the Holy Spirit" as Pentecostals call it.
Since the disciples were INDWELLED by the Holy SPirit in John 20:22, then Acts 2:4 was another breed of cat - referred to by Jesus as "Being Endued (externally clothed) with power. So at an FGBMFI meeting, I was prayed over to receive the "Baptism in the Holy SPirit".
Nothing happened.
About 3 weeks later, however, at another FGBMFI Meeting, during worship, an "odd word" came into my mind, and when I spoke it, there were more "odd words", which kept flowing into my mind as I spoke them. I realized that I was "Speaking in tongues". 58 years later I still do.
But more importantly, I was suddenly moved into an intense period of teaching in Home groups, and sunday school, when I had no ability to speak before a crowd of people, and expound Bible for a couple of hours, several times a week.
SO - my PERSONAL EXPERIENCE is that what's called "the baptism in the Holy Spirit", works exactly how the Bible says it does - gives you an ability to do things that simply weren't possible - before.[/QUOTE
GREAT TESTIMONY !
JESUS and John CALLS IT THE BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT ... so Pentecostals are right ! !
ACTS 1:5 “for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”
“I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
JOHN 3:11 “I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
This is exactly correct. Jesus ... same yesterday today and forever. BUT A LOT OF BELIEVERS HAVE BEEN sold a "bill of goods" ... false doctrine ... being, that ACTS 2 ... day of Pentecost ... is the DAY the 120 believers got born again . WRONG ! The disciples were born again ... the evening after Jesus was resurrected = John 20:22. Knowing, the biblical principle of Romans 10:9-10 ... all the 120 in the Upper Room were Born Again BEFORE Pentecost ... they had been confessing Jesus and believing Jesus was rose from the dead for 50 days or so. Pentecost is the 2nd manifestation of HS in a believer's life ! BOB is proof of this FACT ! Tongues is PROOF, that the HOLY SPIRIT was poured upon the 120 at Pentecost ... Peter said it was. Read Acts 2 carefully. What THING did the Jews see ? They were NOT in the upper room with the 120 ... they didn't see the tongues of fire ! We can concluded ... after the HS fell ON the 120 ... they went outside ... excited / animated by HOLY SPIRIT ... speaking in TONGUES. Peter said ... this thing ... tongues.. proves Joel's ( God's ) Promise has been fulfilled ... when ? ... at day of Pentecost.
Read ACTS 2.39 carefully. Peter ... God ... says the PROMISE ( with resulting manifestation of tongues ) is for all afar off ( us today ), but more importantly ... the Promise is FOR ... all who are CALLED. If you're born again ... you are called. Pray Acts 2.39 ... tell God ... you want same Promise ... same manifestation = proof . God is no respecter of persons.
Subsequently, In '73, I decided that (since I was a member of the Assemblies of God) that I should look into the "Baptism in the Holy Spirit" as Pentecostals call it.
Since the disciples were INDWELLED by the Holy SPirit in John 20:22, then Acts 2:4 was another breed of cat - referred to by Jesus as "Being Endued (externally clothed) with power. So at an FGBMFI meeting, I was prayed over to receive the "Baptism in the Holy SPirit".
Nothing happened.
About 3 weeks later, however, at another FGBMFI Meeting, during worship, an "odd word" came into my mind, and when I spoke it, there were more "odd words", which kept flowing into my mind as I spoke them. I realized that I was "Speaking in tongues". 58 years later I still do.
But more importantly, I was suddenly moved into an intense period of teaching in Home groups, and sunday school, when I had no ability to speak before a crowd of people, and expound Bible for a couple of hours, several times a week.
SO - my PERSONAL EXPERIENCE is that what's called "the baptism in the Holy Spirit", works exactly how the Bible says it does - gives you an ability to do things that simply weren't possible - before.[/QUOTE
GREAT TESTIMONY !
JESUS and John CALLS IT THE BAPTISM OF THE HOLY SPIRIT ... so Pentecostals are right !
!ACTS 1:5 “for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.”
“I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
JOHN 3:11 “I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.
This is exactly correct. Jesus ... same yesterday today and forever. BUT A LOT OF BELIEVERS HAVE BEEN sold a "bill of goods" ... false doctrine ... being, that ACTS 2 ... day of Pentecost ... is the DAY the 120 believers got born again . WRONG ! The disciples were born again ... the evening after Jesus was resurrected = John 20:22. Knowing, the biblical principle of Romans 10:9-10 ... all the 120 in the Upper Room were Born Again BEFORE Pentecost ... they had been confessing Jesus and believing Jesus was rose from the dead for 50 days or so. Pentecost is the 2nd manifestation of HS in a believer's life ! BOB is proof of this FACT ! Tongues is PROOF, that the HOLY SPIRIT was poured upon the 120 at Pentecost ... Peter said it was. Read Acts 2 carefully. What THING did the Jews see ? They were NOT in the upper room with the 120 ... they didn't see the tongues of fire ! We can concluded ... after the HS fell ON the 120 ... they went outside ... excited / animated by HOLY SPIRIT ... speaking in TONGUES. Peter said ... this thing ... tongues.. proves Joel's ( God's ) Promise has been fulfilled ... when ? ... at day of Pentecost.
Read ACTS 2.39 carefully. Peter ... God ... says the PROMISE ( with resulting manifestation of tongues ) is for all afar off ( us today ), but more importantly ... the Promise is FOR ... all who are CALLED. If you're born again ... you are called. Pray Acts 2.39 ... tell God ... you want same Promise ... same manifestation = proof . God is no respecter of persons.
