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If we are not teaching them to turn AWAY from their sin... then we are in fact condoning their sin.

Very few Christians have the guts to tell the funny people that.... they need to quit being funny and turn to the Lord.





OSAS teaching is leading others to live in sin... it';s a stumbling block to others and causing people to stumble is a sin.... so knock it off! View attachment 256822
False teachers may teach it that way. I would agree that that is incorrect. But that doesn't change the truth. Perhaps you should stop telling people that eternal life isn't actually eternal or that people can be separated from the love of God in Christ Jesus.
The hand that wagged the finger at me also has 3 pointing at you.
 
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False teachers may teach it that way. I would agree that that is incorrect. But that doesn't change the truth. Perhaps you should stop telling people that eternal life isn't actually eternal or that people can be separated from the love of God in Christ Jesus.
The hand that wagged the finger at me also has 3 pointing at you.
laughing2.gif That was hilarious!
 

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Hi there, cool question
Basically a female body is not masculine, and I am repulsed by femininity. I cannot simply live as a tomboy because that is a ridiculous step down in masculinity that I cannot tolerate. Too many signs I'm male ever since I was a kid, the way I sat, no dresses or clothes, no make up no shaving legs, and when my chest grew in I freaked out. As an adult the second I found out transgender existed I was like that is me. The toys I choose, the colors I would pick, the types of conversations I have, every single thing is masculine across the board. Being thrown in and associated with females is just a horror in my life
All of this (with the exception of anatomical development) just sounds like surface level stereotyping. There are plenty of females and males that don't fit this mould.

I've debated engaging you on this more than once but this isn't an in person discussion and the topic is far too politicized for my taste to post on a public forum.


I guess I'm wondering what you are hoping for from believers on this forum. Affirmation? Understanding? Help with accepting the limitations of human design?

The first you won't get Biblically. The second a qualified "possibly". The third sure...I'll spend hours voice chatting about that if you are sincere since it has been an intense struggle at times for me. Personally, all these pale substitutes of "scientific procedure" to change things seem ultimately unsatisfying and dealing with "frustrations of the flesh" is better as a group effort if you want to make solid headway.



You aren't the only one who "groans" at this shadow called "life" in expectation of "what's next".

This is seen in Romans 8:22 (really 19-28) Read it in whatever translation you prefer as it speaks to "dysphoria" quite well.

19 For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed.

20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope

21 that[h] the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.


22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.


23 Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies.

24 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have?

25 But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.

26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans.

27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.

28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.



What other choice do we have? Seeking out a substitute for our mortal bodies in the hopes that it can make us "feel" the way we want? What if transgender dysphoria sets in? What then? This will only bring you back to the above scripture anyway.

I get being caught up in it, but rebellion has consequences (as I have found) even if you "didn't know". It is true that it's a bit different if you are unintentionally ignorant though as far as consequences go.



Lots more to be said and tone is difficult to get across in text. I feel like I sound a bit "Old testamenty" when I type sometimes but vocally it's a lot more personable. Reach out if you feels.
 
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All of this (with the exception of anatomical development) just sounds like surface level stereotyping. There are plenty of females and males that don't fit this mould.

I've debated engaging you on this more than once but this isn't an in person discussion and the topic is far too politicized for my taste to post on a public forum.


I guess I'm wondering what you are hoping for from believers on this forum. Affirmation? Understanding? Help with accepting the limitations of human design?

The first you won't get Biblically. The second a qualified "possibly". The third sure...I'll spend hours voice chatting about that if you are sincere since it has been an intense struggle at times for me. Personally, all these pale substitutes of "scientific procedure" to change things seem ultimately unsatisfying and dealing with "frustrations of the flesh" is better as a group effort if you want to make solid headway.



You aren't the only one who "groans" at this shadow called "life" in expectation of "what's next".

This is seen in Romans 8:22 (really 19-28) Read it in whatever translation you prefer as it speaks to "dysphoria" quite well.

19 For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed.

20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope

21 that[h] the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the freedom and glory of the children of God.


22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time.

23 Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption to sonship, the redemption of our bodies.

24 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what they already have?

25 But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.

26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us through wordless groans.

27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for God’s people in accordance with the will of God.

28 And we know that in all things God works for the good of those who love him, who have been called according to his purpose.



What other choice do we have? Seeking out a substitute for our mortal bodies in the hopes that it can make us "feel" the way we want? What if transgender dysphoria sets in? What then? This will only bring you back to the above scripture anyway.

I get being caught up in it, but rebellion has consequences (as I have found) even if you "didn't know". It is true that it's a bit different if you are unintentionally ignorant though as far as consequences go.



Lots more to be said and tone is difficult to get across in text. I feel like I sound a bit "Old testamenty" when I type sometimes but vocally it's a lot more personable. Reach out if you feels.
Hey there, yes stereotypes. I just fit all the male ones.

I loved the scripture you sent about the frustration of creation, it is at least comforting that God acknowledges the frustration.

As for what I expect from this forum now, I'm just answering questions in here, no expectations, sometimes people like you leave a cool scripture, but I am not going to change. Also anyone who has a testimony of hating God to loving God would help me a lot probably, I want to be angry at God without the blasphemy if I can help it.

I have my own scriptural backing that I use,
Matthew 19 11 -12, and I believe not all men can receive the message but I believe I ought to accept and receive it and I do.

There's pages upon pages now of my answers, I don't expect anyone to read through and retain my answers, but it does get daunting repeating myself so if I just decide to go silent one day I guess that will be that.
 

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"And they did not repent of their murders or their sorceries or their sexual immorality or their thefts." Revelation 9:21
 

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Hey there, yes stereotypes. I just fit all the male ones.
Ok, but these are JUST stereotypes? How would that be any sort of evidence/affirmation? I don't fit many many established norms and stereotypes, I don't draw anything from that as they constantly change. These stereotypes are different in other places in the world or even in different time periods. I was born at odds with these stereotypes and my culture and still am but so what?


I loved the scripture you sent about the frustration of creation, it is at least comforting that God acknowledges the frustration.
It is a choice to accept the "at least" and that he did it on purpose. Not an easy thing to do and certainly something I'm willing to talk about. Some people are more rebellious by nature (I've had my moments "raging against the machine") but in the end, what other choice is there but to submit?


but I am not going to change. Also anyone who has a testimony of hating God to loving God would help me a lot probably, I want to be angry at God without the blasphemy if I can help it.
Rooting yourself in your own will is pretty dangerous and it seems wiser to have at least a "keyhole" of openness to change since human beings aren't God and are frequently wrong. I'll consider sharing a testimony but I can say that if I do what you seem to suggest blasphemy is almost certain. The best I can do is not say anything in times like that (which requires a rather large effort).

Basically when I find myself in that "frame of mind" it casts doubt on everything and is usually me not submitting and
Micah 6:8 "to walk humbly with thy God" Which means I'm exalting my will above his and that's where most of the angst is coming from. Kind of a hard thing to "actually" make Jesus LORD of your life isn't it? One thing to say and another to live.

I'm not fully convinced of everything the way I want to be but it follows that when I take a backseat all the anger/frustration/bitterness seems to lift. It's curious for sure. Certainly down to discuss doubts.

I have my own scriptural backing that I use,
Matthew 19 11 -12, and I believe not all men can receive the message but I believe I ought to accept and receive it and I do.
Erm, what do you mean by backing. I looked it up and I could see that being used about castration or a hysterectomy (modern but why not?) or just choosing celibacy. The whole premise of the Bible is that it builds on itself. Verses can be taken out of context to mean almost whatever we want them to mean.

Isaiah 28:10 "Line upon line...precept upon precept"



There's pages upon pages now of my answers, I don't expect anyone to read through and retain my answers, but it does get daunting repeating myself so if I just decide to go silent one day I guess that will be that.
Feel you there...that's why an active discussion is more useful (imo). I've read through MUCH of this thread over however many weeks it's been up...but perhaps I'll go through it again without all the other posts and see if anything sticks out.


Typing is exhausting to me (this was) and text has limitations that vocal conversations do not. All of this would have taken all of 5-10 minutes to say at most and it's not my intent to come across as "preachy". Maybe it's for the best that I have to take the time to think over the things that I say but it has drained me of energy and I had to take quite a long break (get some food, go for a walk, etc.). Perhaps PM would be better?
 

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Well, not quite everything across the board is masculine...lol. Sorry, just had to say that. It's my attempt at humor. So, I hope you get it and don't mind it. How old are you now?

So, you're different from other females. So am I. I can certainly relate to being different from others. I believe God made us that way, different from others.
Amen!
When I saw that I was a female, I acted accordingly.
Because it is something that GOD has ordained.
As an unconverted teen, (when I saw my sister bleaching her hair) I accepted the colour of my hair, because I knew that GOD had ordained it.
I thought, why would I slap GOD for what He has done.

Deuteronomy 32:4 KJV
He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.
 

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"And they did not repent of their murders or their sorceries or their sexual immorality or their thefts." Revelation 9:21
Leviticus 20:13 KJV
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
 
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Ok, but these are JUST stereotypes? How would that be any sort of evidence/affirmation? I don't fit many many established norms and stereotypes, I don't draw anything from that as they constantly change. These stereotypes are different in other places in the world or even in different time periods. I was born at odds with these stereotypes and my culture and still am but so what?




It is a choice to accept the "at least" and that he did it on purpose. Not an easy thing to do and certainly something I'm willing to talk about. Some people are more rebellious by nature (I've had my moments "raging against the machine") but in the end, what other choice is there but to submit?




Rooting yourself in your own will is pretty dangerous and it seems wiser to have at least a "keyhole" of openness to change since human beings aren't God and are frequently wrong. I'll consider sharing a testimony but I can say that if I do what you seem to suggest blasphemy is almost certain. The best I can do is not say anything in times like that (which requires a rather large effort).

Basically when I find myself in that "frame of mind" it casts doubt on everything and is usually me not submitting and
Micah 6:8 "to walk humbly with thy God" Which means I'm exalting my will above his and that's where most of the angst is coming from. Kind of a hard thing to "actually" make Jesus LORD of your life isn't it? One thing to say and another to live.

I'm not fully convinced of everything the way I want to be but it follows that when I take a backseat all the anger/frustration/bitterness seems to lift. It's curious for sure. Certainly down to discuss doubts.



Erm, what do you mean by backing. I looked it up and I could see that being used about castration or a hysterectomy (modern but why not?) or just choosing celibacy. The whole premise of the Bible is that it builds on itself. Verses can be taken out of context to mean almost whatever we want them to mean.

Isaiah 28:10 "Line upon line...precept upon precept"





Feel you there...that's why an active discussion is more useful (imo). I've read through MUCH of this thread over however many weeks it's been up...but perhaps I'll go through it again without all the other posts and see if anything sticks out.


Typing is exhausting to me (this was) and text has limitations that vocal conversations do not. All of this would have taken all of 5-10 minutes to say at most and it's not my intent to come across as "preachy". Maybe it's for the best that I have to take the time to think over the things that I say but it has drained me of energy and I had to take quite a long break (get some food, go for a walk, etc.). Perhaps PM would be better?
Thank you for taking the time for all of this, I can pm but I don't know what you'd get out of it, I don't want to waste your time.

You said

"Erm, what do you mean by backing. I looked it up and I could see that being used about castration or a hysterectomy (modern but why not?) or just choosing celibacy. The whole premise of the Bible is that it builds on itself. Verses can be taken out of context to mean almost whatever we want them to mean."

Backing meaning I feel backed up, like God has addressed my problem. The definition of Eunuch is a castrated biological male, but I do believe of a spiritual definition of Eunuch in God's eyes because that definition of Eunuch is covered under Jesus's second reasoning for Eunuchs. Why are there other definitions, and why can't everyone "receive" a simple Eunuch definition. If it's just a castrated biological male what's the big deal.
I noticed the king james version says eunuch specifically where I've seen bibles that straight up change the word Eunuch to marriage which is very different then the word Eunuch.

Its interesting you consider hysterectomy. That's outside the biological male definition of a Eunuch. I say I was castrated when I was born into this female body. That is outside of the definition of Eunuch as well. I'm really surprised you want to consider hysterectomy.

I believe the gays and trans are modern day Eunuchs, born that way. I believe the celebite(sp I can't think) are for the sake of the kingdom of God. Now that is controversial and not all can receive it
 
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I'm pretty sure the biblical definition of a enuch has zilch to do with transgenderism
Exactly. Just cause these cats chopped off their gonads doesn't mean the Lord led them to do that or that they even belonged to the Lord at all.
 

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Its interesting you consider hysterectomy. That's outside the biological male definition of a Eunuch. I say I was castrated when I was born into this female body. That is outside of the definition of Eunuch as well. I'm really surprised you want to consider hysterectomy.

I believe the gays and trans are modern day Eunuchs, born that way. I believe the celebite(sp I can't think) are for the sake of the kingdom of God. Now that is controversial and not all can receive it
I leapt to create a female counterpart to castration that doesn't really exist on further reflection...comparing a hysterectomy with castration I left out half of what would even make it somewhat comparable because I didn't want to be explicit and it seemed enough to get along with but the W.H.O apparently calls this "female genital mutilation" on further inquiry so I won't go any further. Obviously just taking away a woman's ability to conceive a child (but still have sex) is not the same thing and although I thought it might be a potential connecting point, it appears I was mistaken.

Your leap to include people practicing OR struggling with homosexuality and people with gender dysphoria as being born as eunuchs makes zero sense to me if we are seeking the truth and using the Bible as that gauge.

Even if you used some pretty shaky logic with disconnected verses to create a theology out of it that wouldn't make it true. I get wanting something badly enough that one can "almost" (note: almost) convince themselves that it's true but is it really true? Does it line up with scripture? No? Well then the choice is to wrestle through it and overcome...not just by our own strength but with other members of the body of Christ and with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit OR have it our own way and believe a lie.

I went out on a limb including females in the definition of a eunuch (potentially considering modern medical advances) but it appears to have snapped. Are practicing homosexuals castrating themselves? No, then how would the definition apply to them either.

You being born as a female and not a male somehow makes you castrated? I get it that you don't like what you've been dealt. You aren't alone. If you want to work on accepting these limitations I'm certainly willing to talk about it and passing the time maturing our walk with God and putting to death the works of the flesh then awesome.

each of us is born with a sin nature...that doesn't mean we don't still have choice in what we allow free reign and what we do not if we are in Christ. Not saying the struggle isn't real or anything. There are lot of things I don't particularly like and have questions about. It matters how we approach God though when we know better. Rebellion is a big deal and it's starting to sound like (based off my reread) that you want what you want and God better accept it or what? Lash out at him? Try to make him fit your worldview? I get that, but you end up only hurting yourself (I have). Some people here might not get some of the stuff you are going through but that doesn't mean they know nothing about the difficulties of being human that we all face.

Again, if you want to talk about anything that I "can" actually connect with then post on my profile (it's open).
 
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Rudeness is one thing. Truth is another. Jesus gave hard truths to people who didn't like it. Why? Because telling them a pretty lie was going to damn them to Hell.

I cannot even begin to imagine what you're going through, but I do believe it is enemy-driven. He slipped that lie into your head some time ago, and you bought it. Now, you're paying the price for that.

God doesn't lie. Your body doesn't lie. The enemy does, and you can choose to be deceived or not. But, don't expect the rest of us to give you a healthy diagnosis when we all see you as sick.

Tell me.. What would you say to a young woman suffering from anorexia nervosa? She's starving to death, perhaps 50lbs underweight, but "her truth" tells her that she's obese. Do you affirm her personal "truth" or do you tell her THE truth?
 
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Hi!!
I used to struggle with similar pain as you, except my deepest pain was centered around my race, in all sincerity. Hopefully my personal experience can give you some hope, and the motivation to seek salvation through Jesus Christ.

I was in middle school, looking in the mirror, when it dawned on me that the race of people I had heard terrible, tragic things about was actually my race. As I looked in the mirror, I realized, I was considered Black--and most horrifically, I realized that when people saw me, they saw a Black girl--and I assumed they were likely already making all sorts of assumptions about me based on stereotypes and whatever else. This was devastating to me. Up until that point, I had never imagined myself to be a part of any race, but instead went through life just feeling like a person, a spirit and soul in a body.

I tried to distance myself from this reality, and researched ways I could permanently lighten my skin, change my hair texture, and my eye color. I was sick, and deeply depressed, and I hated myself vehemently.

I had several false beliefs:
I believed if I was white, my life would be better.
I believed I was born into the wrong family.
And most significantly, I strongly believed I was born into the wrong body.


But I believe God lovingly and patiently gave me a series of dreams that changed my perspective.

In one dream, I was in a bright, white space. I had the sense that I was in a giant gazebo of mirrors, but a sound like roaring water filled the space as though the water were pouring down the walls. In the dream, a voice, which I believe was God, asked me, "What do you want?" And because I perceived that I could ask for anything, and my heart was set on my worldly concerns, I said, "I want to be white." Instantly, I understood that my request had been granted. Not that I felt anything. That was, perhaps, what was strangest to me. I understood that I had what I had asked for, but I did not feel any different inside or out. I looked at my hands to make sure. Yes, I was white, but I very quickly realized that I still had problems. In fact, I even had some different problems! I had expected to feel different at least, but there was nothing different about the me on the inside. I just didn't have any melanin.


In another dream, I entered into what seemed like a heavenly establishment or business. Inside, there was a reception desk and everything. I went inside and sat in a booth that looked similar to one of those photo booths you might see in a mall or somewhere. On the wall beside me was a circular mirror in which I saw my face, the one the Lord gave me. But the mirror had a feature in which twisting a knob would reveal an alternative version of the person in the booth. And, unexpectedly, the alternate life to accompany it. I turned the knob, and as the mirror started turning, like a camera lens cover, it unveiled an alternate version of myself in which I was white. But, something stopped me. As I was turning, a realization came over me that in the alternate version of my life, in which I would be born white, all the family and friends that I currently have in this Black body would all be strangers to me, and I would have no right or reason to be a part of their lives. A different reality comes with a different purpose.
There would be no reason for the woman I call my mom to love me. I would be a member of a different family. And she would be like all the other strangers in the world, not knowing or even thinking about me.
Quickly, I stopped turning the knob. And I truly realized that I did not want a different family--which I would have to have if I would be born to a different race.


Now, I don't remember the space or span of time between my dreams, but they all happened around the same time. But in the dream which I will label my third dream, I was born a girl affected by dwarfism. I was short, kind of stocky, and my head was large in proportion to my body. But here's the thing that surprised me: I was Black. AND I was happy! I was not happy because I was Black. And neither did I feel any ill feelings about being Black. In fact, it did not appear that I was thinking about race at all. I was happy because I was helping people. I was living a life full of purpose. And I was absolutely, positively beaming with deeply felt and sincere joy.

When I awoke from each of these dreams, I realized that I was born into this body for a reason. There are people I am able to reach because of the person God created me to be. I am part of the body of Christ. And the Lord does not make mistakes.

This life is not about making external factors such as race, sex, or gender our identity. Life is so much more than what's on the surface. Instead, it is about submitting ourselves and our wills to the will of God.

The Lord also made humans male and female for a reason.

I don't know what your specific purpose is, but I know God has a plan for your life.

There is a reason why you were born into the body that you were born into.

If we are to discover God's beautiful purposes for our lives, we must be willing to surrender our lives and our desires to Him.

In order to be able to do that, we have to accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior. When you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior, he will give you a new heart with new desires for righteousness.

I will be praying for you.
Wow. You have me mildly blown away with that. You sound awesome :D
 

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Hi!!
I used to struggle with similar pain as you, except my deepest pain was centered around my race, in all sincerity. Hopefully my personal experience can give you some hope, and the motivation to seek salvation through Jesus Christ.

I was in middle school, looking in the mirror, when it dawned on me that the race of people I had heard terrible, tragic things about was actually my race. As I looked in the mirror, I realized, I was considered Black--and most horrifically, I realized that when people saw me, they saw a Black girl--and I assumed they were likely already making all sorts of assumptions about me based on stereotypes and whatever else. This was devastating to me. Up until that point, I had never imagined myself to be a part of any race, but instead went through life just feeling like a person, a spirit and soul in a body.

I tried to distance myself from this reality, and researched ways I could permanently lighten my skin, change my hair texture, and my eye color. I was sick, and deeply depressed, and I hated myself vehemently.

I had several false beliefs:
I believed if I was white, my life would be better.
I believed I was born into the wrong family.
And most significantly, I strongly believed I was born into the wrong body.


But I believe God lovingly and patiently gave me a series of dreams that changed my perspective.

In one dream, I was in a bright, white space. I had the sense that I was in a giant gazebo of mirrors, but a sound like roaring water filled the space as though the water were pouring down the walls. In the dream, a voice, which I believe was God, asked me, "What do you want?" And because I perceived that I could ask for anything, and my heart was set on my worldly concerns, I said, "I want to be white." Instantly, I understood that my request had been granted. Not that I felt anything. That was, perhaps, what was strangest to me. I understood that I had what I had asked for, but I did not feel any different inside or out. I looked at my hands to make sure. Yes, I was white, but I very quickly realized that I still had problems. In fact, I even had some different problems! I had expected to feel different at least, but there was nothing different about the me on the inside. I just didn't have any melanin.


In another dream, I entered into what seemed like a heavenly establishment or business. Inside, there was a reception desk and everything. I went inside and sat in a booth that looked similar to one of those photo booths you might see in a mall or somewhere. On the wall beside me was a circular mirror in which I saw my face, the one the Lord gave me. But the mirror had a feature in which twisting a knob would reveal an alternative version of the person in the booth. And, unexpectedly, the alternate life to accompany it. I turned the knob, and as the mirror started turning, like a camera lens cover, it unveiled an alternate version of myself in which I was white. But, something stopped me. As I was turning, a realization came over me that in the alternate version of my life, in which I would be born white, all the family and friends that I currently have in this Black body would all be strangers to me, and I would have no right or reason to be a part of their lives. A different reality comes with a different purpose.
There would be no reason for the woman I call my mom to love me. I would be a member of a different family. And she would be like all the other strangers in the world, not knowing or even thinking about me.
Quickly, I stopped turning the knob. And I truly realized that I did not want a different family--which I would have to have if I would be born to a different race.


Now, I don't remember the space or span of time between my dreams, but they all happened around the same time. But in the dream which I will label my third dream, I was born a girl affected by dwarfism. I was short, kind of stocky, and my head was large in proportion to my body. But here's the thing that surprised me: I was Black. AND I was happy! I was not happy because I was Black. And neither did I feel any ill feelings about being Black. In fact, it did not appear that I was thinking about race at all. I was happy because I was helping people. I was living a life full of purpose. And I was absolutely, positively beaming with deeply felt and sincere joy.

When I awoke from each of these dreams, I realized that I was born into this body for a reason. There are people I am able to reach because of the person God created me to be. I am part of the body of Christ. And the Lord does not make mistakes.

This life is not about making external factors such as race, sex, or gender our identity. Life is so much more than what's on the surface. Instead, it is about submitting ourselves and our wills to the will of God.

The Lord also made humans male and female for a reason.

I don't know what your specific purpose is, but I know God has a plan for your life.

There is a reason why you were born into the body that you were born into.

If we are to discover God's beautiful purposes for our lives, we must be willing to surrender our lives and our desires to Him.

In order to be able to do that, we have to accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior. When you accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior, he will give you a new heart with new desires for righteousness.

I will be praying for you.
Amen!
At the age of 23 I read this……

Revelation 4:11 KJV
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for
thou hast created all things,

and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

We were created to do His pleasure.
God gives us His abiding peace and abiding happiness when we do His pleasure.
 

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Amen!
At the age of 23 I read this……

Revelation 4:11 KJV
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for
thou hast created all things,

and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

We were created to do His pleasure.
God gives us His abiding peace and abiding happiness when we do His pleasure.
This scripture made me to realise that God didn’t put me here to do
what I like,
what I want,
what I feel,
what I think.

God actually created me to do what pleases Him. To know His will and His wisdom.

So my course of life changed after reading and understanding this.

Children who obey their earthly parents, are happy children.

Those who obey their Heavenly Father,
Are happy.

Psalm 144:15 KJV
Happy is that people, that is in such a case: yea, happy is that people, whose God is the LORD.
 

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Hey there, yes stereotypes. I just fit all the male ones.

I loved the scripture you sent about the frustration of creation, it is at least comforting that God acknowledges the frustration.

As for what I expect from this forum now, I'm just answering questions in here, no expectations, sometimes people like you leave a cool scripture, but I am not going to change. Also anyone who has a testimony of hating God to loving God would help me a lot probably, I want to be angry at God without the blasphemy if I can help it.

I have my own scriptural backing that I use,
Matthew 19 11 -12, and I believe not all men can receive the message but I believe I ought to accept and receive it and I do.

There's pages upon pages now of my answers, I don't expect anyone to read through and retain my answers, but it does get daunting repeating myself so if I just decide to go silent one day I guess that will be that.
Interesting to see these words here, saying "I am not going to change." Change is inevitable. We ALL change. It's just a matter of how and what we change into that matters. Personally, I want to be more like Jesus today than I was before. I've had a lot of undoing to do after my first 34 years of not knowing the Lord. Romans 12:1-2 tells us to not be conformed TO THIS WORLD, but to be transformed by the renewing of our minds.

Had I not done what it says in these two verses, I might not have ever been healed from bipolar disorder 40 years ago.
 

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In one of your posts, you said that if a person used to hate God, and now doesn't, you would listen to them. THAT's me. I WAS a God hater, but now love Him with my whole heart and soul.

What I did was to get to know Him through reading the scriptures about Him and praying for understanding. I found out they say that God is love.

I'm pretty busy at this time, but if you would like to interact with me, please reply to this post.
 

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THIS post, from a Transgender thread, more than 8 yrs ago, had a profound effect upon me. I have from time to time brought it up to people in my life. Maybe it can be helpful here. The Poster has come back under different names since 2015, but I'm not sure if she's here still:

VioletReigns
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seed_time_harvest said:
but its difficult to not read but while you have the music on it might help you not be overly invovled in these potentially bothersome discussions.:) :)


Tru dat my brotha! :eek: Actually, I've been pondering this situation with God for awhile and am hesitant to respond on here until I'm sure in my spirit that my post will line up with the Word. In the meantime, I'm reading all these various posts and feel something is missing... can't put my finger on it yet though.

I mean, when I was an alcoholic.. when I was a total pot head... when I lived to party and certainly looked the part.... when my mind was saturated with the world... my neighbor, a young blind Christian woman named Mary became my friend. I didn't know why because I wasn't worthy to be anyone's friend as I lived for myself.

Mary didn't preach, didn't try to force scripture down my throat, didn't point out my sins like I was a "filthy sinner" whom she was trying to save from hellfire. She was just this extremely joyful woman who was overflowing with exuberance and peace and.. (here's the clincher!) talked to Jesus like He was standing next to her. Every time I saw her walking her little doggie up the sidewalk, she was talking to Jesus and thanking Him for giving her sight. She was a blind girl. But she was praising the Lord for loving her and letting her see clearly. (Ok, now I'm crying my eyes out remembering that.) \:)/ Glory to God!

But when Mary talked to me, she just became my friend. I started asking questions about Jesus. Something in my heart (the Holy Spirit, of course) told me I was missing something, I was not whole, I was dark inside and I knew it just being in Mary's presence. She never told me I was lost without the Lord, I KNEW IT!

So you see my plight here. I can't point a finger or throw rocks at others. I don't know how to react to Bruce Jenner's situation. All I know is he ain't happy with himself or with life. Anyone who has to keep trying to win the world's approval does not approve of themselves in their own heart. Nor do they believe God approves of them. So I'll pray and ask the Lord to let Bruce know how much Jesus Christ yearns for him to be set free in his mind and to find rest in the Father's arms of love.
 
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I can't point a finger or throw rocks at others.
Real Christians agree with what the Lord says in His Word.... if you aren't willing to put what the Lord says first, then you are in grave danger and apparently don't even know it!