Bruce Jenner is totally grossing me out!!! i

[Tintin]

When the ruling went through, I made myself really sick with worry (and I don't even live in the US!) I felt so attacked by the Enemy and my friends' friends for sticking up for God's truth, in love. It was a hellish week, extending into a hellish week. But I can't do anything about it. I can point people to Christ, I can love them, but I can't make them choose truth. I need to learn when to step away and went to counter, because I've been sucked into far too much crap and it's not good for me physically, emotionally or spiritually.

 

[p_rehbein]

When the ruling went through, I made myself really sick with worry (and I don't even live in the US!) I felt so attacked by the Enemy and my friends' friends for sticking up for God's truth, in love. It was a hellish week, extending into a hellish week. But I can't do anything about it. I can point people to Christ, I can love them, but I can't make them choose truth. I need to learn when to step away and went to counter, because I've been sucked into far too much crap and it's not good for me physically, emotionally or spiritually.

[What God did when faced with this type of sinfulness]

Romans 1:24 .) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
25 .) Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
26 .) For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 .) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 .) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

We should do the same.......but this does not mean we have to participate in such, or give our blessings to such....The Church must stand against such..........in my opinion.

 

[Mitspa]

I think these scriptures are for letting us know not to be like this because we have been in darkness and now we see the truth and of course we should let them know that we don't do those things anymore but i'm just asking
what would you suggest we do?

11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret.
13 But all things that are exposed are made manifest by the light, for whatever makes manifest is light.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
12 For it is shameful even to speak of those things which are done by them in secret.
13 But all things that are exposed are made manifest by the light, for whatever makes manifest is light.

I responded to those verses and i understand and i agree with it but surely we should do more than that in verse 11. i guess your interpretation in verse 11 is saying just deal with people that are like ourselves.

shouldn't we do more?

 

[Mitspa]

I responded to those verses and i understand and i agree with it but surely we should do more than that in verse 11. i guess your interpretation in verse 11 is saying just deal with people that are like ourselves.

shouldn't we do more?

Sure but my point was to put chapter 6 in context of chapter 5 ...because you seem to be cherry picking scripture that would suggest we are supposed to approve deviant behavior in some way by using the term "love"...

 

[VioletReigns]

but its difficult to not read but while you have the music on it might help you not be overly invovled in these potentially bothersome discussions.

Tru dat my brotha! Actually, I've been pondering this situation with God for awhile and am hesitant to respond on here until I'm sure in my spirit that my post will line up with the Word. In the meantime, I'm reading all these various posts and feel something is missing... can't put my finger on it yet though.

I mean, when I was an alcoholic.. when I was a total pot head... when I lived to party and certainly looked the part.... when my mind was saturated with the world... my neighbor, a young blind Christian woman named Mary became my friend. I didn't know why because I wasn't worthy to be anyone's friend as I lived for myself.

Mary didn't preach, didn't try to force scripture down my throat, didn't point out my sins like I was a "filthy sinner" whom she was trying to save from hellfire. She was just this extremely joyful woman who was overflowing with exuberance and peace and.. (here's the clincher!) talked to Jesus like He was standing next to her. Every time I saw her walking her little doggie up the sidewalk, she was talking to Jesus and thanking Him for giving her sight. She was a blind girl. But she was praising the Lord for loving her and letting her see clearly. (Ok, now I'm crying my eyes out remembering that.) \/ Glory to God!

But when Mary talked to me, she just became my friend. I started asking questions about Jesus. Something in my heart (the Holy Spirit, of course) told me I was missing something, I was not whole, I was dark inside and I knew it just being in Mary's presence. She never told me I was lost without the Lord, I KNEW IT!

So you see my plight here. I can't point a finger or throw rocks at others. I don't know how to react to Bruce Jenner's situation. All I know is he ain't happy with himself or with life. Anyone who has to keep trying to win the world's approval does not approve of themselves in their own heart. Nor do they believe God approves of them. So I'll pray and ask the Lord to let Bruce know how much Jesus Christ yearns for him to be set free in his mind and to find rest in the Father's arms of love.

 

[PennEd]

Tru dat my brotha! Actually, I've been pondering this situation with God for awhile and am hesitant to respond on here until I'm sure in my spirit that my post will line up with the Word. In the meantime, I'm reading all these various posts and feel something is missing... can't put my finger on it yet though.

I mean, when I was an alcoholic.. when I was a total pot head... when I lived to party and certainly looked the part.... when my mind was saturated with the world... my neighbor, a young blind Christian woman named Mary became my friend. I didn't know why because I wasn't worthy to be anyone's friend as I lived for myself.

Mary didn't preach, didn't try to force scripture down my throat, didn't point out my sins like I was a "filthy sinner" whom she was trying to save from hellfire. She was just this extremely joyful woman who was overflowing with exuberance and peace and.. (here's the clincher!) talked to Jesus like He was standing next to her. Every time I saw her walking her little doggie up the sidewalk, she was talking to Jesus and thanking Him for giving her sight. She was a blind girl. But she was praising the Lord for loving her and letting her see clearly. (Ok, now I'm crying my eyes out remembering that.) \/ Glory to God!

But when Mary talked to me, she just became my friend. I started asking questions about Jesus. Something in my heart (the Holy Spirit, of course) told me I was missing something, I was not whole, I was dark inside and I knew it just being in Mary's presence. She never told me I was lost without the Lord, I KNEW IT!

So you see my plight here. I can't point a finger or throw rocks at others. I don't know how to react to Bruce Jenner's situation. All I know is he ain't happy with himself or with life. Anyone who has to keep trying to win the world's approval does not approve of themselves in their own heart. Nor do they believe God approves of them. So I'll pray and ask the Lord to let Bruce know how much Jesus Christ yearns for him to be set free in his mind and to find rest in the Father's arms of love.

Wow!! This is truly a fantastic, witness Violet. You keep showing me what it means to walk in a Christ-like fashion. May the Lord continue to Bless and use you!

Did she live to see you come to the Lord?

 

[VioletReigns]

Wow!! This is truly a fantastic, witness Violet. You keep showing me what it means to walk in a Christ-like fashion. May the Lord continue to Bless and use you!

Did she live to see you come to the Lord?

Yes, I fell at her feet one day and begged her to introduce me to Jesus Christ the Lord. \/ She lives in New Jersey still and we used to attend church together when I lived back east. We became close friends and sisters, though the passing years of raising my kids, my husband going home to God and relocating out west here has made it difficult to keep in touch regularly. But yes, Mary and I had the wonderful opportunity to fellowship and worship the Lord together. Thank you very much for asking, dearest brother! Grace to you in Christ Jesus!

 

[Mitspa]

Tru dat my brotha! Actually, I've been pondering this situation with God for awhile and am hesitant to respond on here until I'm sure in my spirit that my post will line up with the Word. In the meantime, I'm reading all these various posts and feel something is missing... can't put my finger on it yet though.

I mean, when I was an alcoholic.. when I was a total pot head... when I lived to party and certainly looked the part.... when my mind was saturated with the world... my neighbor, a young blind Christian woman named Mary became my friend. I didn't know why because I wasn't worthy to be anyone's friend as I lived for myself.

Mary didn't preach, didn't try to force scripture down my throat, didn't point out my sins like I was a "filthy sinner" whom she was trying to save from hellfire. She was just this extremely joyful woman who was overflowing with exuberance and peace and.. (here's the clincher!) talked to Jesus like He was standing next to her. Every time I saw her walking her little doggie up the sidewalk, she was talking to Jesus and thanking Him for giving her sight. She was a blind girl. But she was praising the Lord for loving her and letting her see clearly. (Ok, now I'm crying my eyes out remembering that.) \/ Glory to God!

But when Mary talked to me, she just became my friend. I started asking questions about Jesus. Something in my heart (the Holy Spirit, of course) told me I was missing something, I was not whole, I was dark inside and I knew it just being in Mary's presence. She never told me I was lost without the Lord, I KNEW IT!

So you see my plight here. I can't point a finger or throw rocks at others. I don't know how to react to Bruce Jenner's situation. All I know is he ain't happy with himself or with life. Anyone who has to keep trying to win the world's approval does not approve of themselves in their own heart. Nor do they believe God approves of them. So I'll pray and ask the Lord to let Bruce know how much Jesus Christ yearns for him to be set free in his mind and to find rest in the Father's arms of love.

Let me ask you...did you accept Jesus Christ because you needed Him as your Savoir or because you thought this lady had a cool religion and seemed happy in her religion ...did she never tell you that as a sinner you needed to be saved from your sin?

 

[PennEd]

Yes, I fell at her feet one day and begged her to introduce me to Jesus Christ the Lord. \/ She lives in New Jersey still and we used to attend church together when I lived back east. We became close friends and sisters, though the passing years of raising my kids, my husband going home to God and relocating out west here has made it difficult to keep in touch regularly. But yes, Mary and I had the wonderful opportunity to fellowship and worship the Lord together. Thank you very much for asking, dearest brother! Grace to you in Christ Jesus!

Can I ask where in NJ? I am from there.

 

[seed_time_harvest]

Tru dat my brotha! Actually, I've been pondering this situation with God for awhile and am hesitant to respond on here until I'm sure in my spirit that my post will line up with the Word. In the meantime, I'm reading all these various posts and feel something is missing... can't put my finger on it yet though.

I mean, when I was an alcoholic.. when I was a total pot head... when I lived to party and certainly looked the part.... when my mind was saturated with the world... my neighbor, a young blind Christian woman named Mary became my friend. I didn't know why because I wasn't worthy to be anyone's friend as I lived for myself.

Mary didn't preach, didn't try to force scripture down my throat, didn't point out my sins like I was a "filthy sinner" whom she was trying to save from hellfire. She was just this extremely joyful woman who was overflowing with exuberance and peace and.. (here's the clincher!) talked to Jesus like He was standing next to her. Every time I saw her walking her little doggie up the sidewalk, she was talking to Jesus and thanking Him for giving her sight. She was a blind girl. But she was praising the Lord for loving her and letting her see clearly. (Ok, now I'm crying my eyes out remembering that.) \/ Glory to God!

But when Mary talked to me, she just became my friend. I started asking questions about Jesus. Something in my heart (the Holy Spirit, of course) told me I was missing something, I was not whole, I was dark inside and I knew it just being in Mary's presence. She never told me I was lost without the Lord, I KNEW IT!

So you see my plight here. I can't point a finger or throw rocks at others. I don't know how to react to Bruce Jenner's situation. All I know is he ain't happy with himself or with life. Anyone who has to keep trying to win the world's approval does not approve of themselves in their own heart. Nor do they believe God approves of them. So I'll pray and ask the Lord to let Bruce know how much Jesus Christ yearns for him to be set free in his mind and to find rest in the Father's arms of love.

sometimes the most effective way GOD teaches us is through something physical and then when we read the WORD we get deeper revelation.

 

[VioletReigns]

Can I ask where in NJ? I am from there.

I sent you an email.

 

[VioletReigns]

Let me ask you...did you accept Jesus Christ because you needed Him as your Savoir or because you thought this lady had a cool religion and seemed happy in her religion ...did she never tell you that as a sinner you needed to be saved from your sin?

Well, my siblings & I were abused very badly for a time in a religious foster home where the Word of God was beaten over our heads in condemnation and we were always in fear. So I wanted no part of God when I was a teenager because I thought He despised me. There was no such thing as "cool" religion. I wasn't a hippie ever. I never did psychedelic drugs. Didn't like hippie music. Cool was stupid to me.

As for being happy, I didn't believe it was possible for me in my lifetime. I had manic-depression. I was wasted in my heart because of the abuse. I was a beat-down soul so dark in my mind that nobody could reach me. "Saved from sin" didn't register with me because I knew I was never gonna measure up to that scary, big God in the sky. My heart told me He hated me and I was worthless to Him.

Mary kept appearing everywhere I went. In the laundry room at the apartment complex where I lived. Walking down the street as I was walking up. At the corner store, at the city park, on the bus, etc. It seemed God kept putting her in my path. I was embarrassed of her, she was not physically attractive, she was unpopular and poorly dressed. She talked to Jesus and everyone thought she was nuts, including me! I didn't want to be seen talking to her because I didn't want the world to think I had any affiliation with the likes of her. She was an outcast.

Excuse me for a moment while I throw up from the memory of my disgusting, filthy pride.

No, she didn't have to tell me I was a sinner. I asked her how NOT to be sinner. I begged her to please show me who Jesus the Lord in Spirit was. She laughed and said that He had already called me, chose me and His Spirit claimed me. I fell down on my knees and repented. She didn't have to tell me to.

Brother Mitspa, the Lord our Shepherd will do whatever He wants to do to bring a sheep of His safely home. He will put clay on someone's eyes, He will tell someone to wash in the river, He will tell someone to only believe, He will lay His hands on someone's head, He will tell a prostitute her faith has saved her, He will tell a thief on a cross that he will accompany Jesus in Paradise, He will tell someone to go home and find their child healed.

Mary's shining love for Jesus Christ was what the Lord used to break through the barriers that kept me away from Him. All I can tell ya, brother is that once I was blind and now I see. How did God do it? By His amazing love and grace in Jesus Christ. It was and still is a miracle to me.

 

[Mitspa]

Well, my siblings & I were abused very badly for a time in a religious foster home where the Word of God was beaten over our heads in condemnation and we were always in fear. So I wanted no part of God when I was a teenager because I thought He despised me. There was no such thing as "cool" religion. I wasn't a hippie ever. I never did psychedelic drugs. Didn't like hippie music. Cool was stupid to me.

As for being happy, I didn't believe it was possible for me in my lifetime. I had manic-depression. I was wasted in my heart because of the abuse. I was a beat-down soul so dark in my mind that nobody could reach me. "Saved from sin" didn't register with me because I knew I was never gonna measure up to that scary, big God in the sky. My heart told me He hated me and I was worthless to Him.

Mary kept appearing everywhere I went. In the laundry room at the apartment complex where I lived. Walking down the street as I was walking up. At the corner store, at the city park, on the bus, etc. It seemed God kept putting her in my path. I was embarrassed of her, she was not physically attractive, she was unpopular and poorly dressed. She talked to Jesus and everyone thought she was nuts, including me! I didn't want to be seen talking to her because I didn't want the world to think I had any affiliation with the likes of her. She was an outcast.

Excuse me for a moment while I throw up from the memory of my disgusting, filthy pride.

No, she didn't have to tell me I was a sinner. I asked her how NOT to be sinner. I begged her to please show me who Jesus the Lord in Spirit was. She laughed and said that He had already called me, chose me and His Spirit claimed me. I fell down on my knees and repented. She didn't have to tell me to.

Brother Mitspa, the Lord our Shepherd will do whatever He wants to do to bring a sheep of His safely home. He will put clay on someone's eyes, He will tell someone to wash in the river, He will tell someone to only believe, He will lay His hands on someone's head, He will tell a prostitute her faith has saved her, He will tell a thief on a cross that he will accompany Jesus in Paradise, He will tell someone to go home and find their child healed.

Mary's shining love for Jesus Christ was what the Lord used to break through the barriers that kept me away from Him. All I can tell ya, brother is that once I was blind and now I see. How did God do it? By His amazing love and grace in Jesus Christ. It was and still is a miracle to me.

I don't disagree with anything your saying Violet...in fact I am glad to have heard your testimony and understand why you refrain from using the judgment of God in reaching lost sinners...But you have to see that what is going on with the gay agenda is designed to block the conscience of sinners from admitting their need for Christ to save them from their sins...and whether you can see it or not...In large part you went to Christ because you knew you was a sinner. Why did the prostitute see Christ in His mercy and love Him more than the others...because she knew she was a sinner and the others did not.

 

[VioletReigns]

But how can a man (or woman) come to God unless He call them first? And don't lost souls have to see someone as a living testimony of Jesus Christ before they will listen to preaching against sin?

When Jesus walked the earth, you couldn't keep the throngs of people away from Him. What did Jesus do to attract such mobs of lost sinners? Were they running to Jesus in fear of hellfire and wanting to be saved from it? Or did they want something more? What exactly did they think Jesus had that was so valuable that they searched all over and hunted Him down everywhere He went?

I don't think condemnation or guilt led them to Jesus. I think the Light of Life drew them to Himself. I think Jesus' life was a great light of itself and exposed the darkness of the carnal world. I believe people knew in their spirits Jesus could offer them true life - real peace, real joy, real love.

I'm not saying preaching against sin is in vain. God forbid! I'm just wondering how come mobs of people aren't following us around yearning for the Light of Life? Or maybe they are and we aren't looking at them.

 

[jsr1221]

Full body pucker? Lol.

To quote Jim Morrison: "People are strange."

Even though " people are strange", it doesn't change the fact they are our brothers and sisters in Christ and we are to love them, hoping one day they repent and ask for Christ as Savior.

 

[tourist]

hahahaha u get a life while you're at it too

By 'have a life' you mean you have time to spend day in and day out sitting on CC? And criticizing others because they are thinking about something? Methinks if you had a life you wouldn't have time to sit around and complain about others wanting to vent. Because you'd be busy having a life.

BTW I just read the other post that others wrote..... man some people are rude!!!!!!!!!!!!! serious??? how mean of the people for shaming another person for expressing his/her thoughts.... wow. who cares also what you other people have to say too.... some people may not care but they sure don't slam it either!!! and had they have then you are just taking that out on someone else... lol shame on you!!!

Perhaps we can pray for those that are rude to us?

 

[jsr1221]

Of course anyone who cares about our society and the UNGODLY direction we are heading will look at the insanity that is being spewed on every TV channel and every magazine rack and say "this is insane" and yes Im tired of seeing that stuff being promoting at every turn and YES its time for moral and God fearing people to speak out against it...

What are you going to do? Take a plane to Jenner's house, knock on his/her door, and when it opens, yell "You're going to hell if you don't reverse the operation!!" Be realistic, Mitspa. This has been happening for years and years. Does it make it right? Of course not. But if there was no wickedness on Earth, why even have a Heaven and Hell? All you can do is pray for these individuals, because you can't do a darn thing to change their mindsets. Only God can.

 

[Budman]

Well, my siblings & I were abused very badly for a time in a religious foster home where the Word of God was beaten over our heads in condemnation and we were always in fear. So I wanted no part of God when I was a teenager because I thought He despised me. There was no such thing as "cool" religion. I wasn't a hippie ever. I never did psychedelic drugs. Didn't like hippie music. Cool was stupid to me.

As for being happy, I didn't believe it was possible for me in my lifetime. I had manic-depression. I was wasted in my heart because of the abuse. I was a beat-down soul so dark in my mind that nobody could reach me. "Saved from sin" didn't register with me because I knew I was never gonna measure up to that scary, big God in the sky. My heart told me He hated me and I was worthless to Him.

Mary kept appearing everywhere I went. In the laundry room at the apartment complex where I lived. Walking down the street as I was walking up. At the corner store, at the city park, on the bus, etc. It seemed God kept putting her in my path. I was embarrassed of her, she was not physically attractive, she was unpopular and poorly dressed. She talked to Jesus and everyone thought she was nuts, including me! I didn't want to be seen talking to her because I didn't want the world to think I had any affiliation with the likes of her. She was an outcast.

Excuse me for a moment while I throw up from the memory of my disgusting, filthy pride.

No, she didn't have to tell me I was a sinner. I asked her how NOT to be sinner. I begged her to please show me who Jesus the Lord in Spirit was. She laughed and said that He had already called me, chose me and His Spirit claimed me. I fell down on my knees and repented. She didn't have to tell me to.

Brother Mitspa, the Lord our Shepherd will do whatever He wants to do to bring a sheep of His safely home. He will put clay on someone's eyes, He will tell someone to wash in the river, He will tell someone to only believe, He will lay His hands on someone's head, He will tell a prostitute her faith has saved her, He will tell a thief on a cross that he will accompany Jesus in Paradise, He will tell someone to go home and find their child healed.

Mary's shining love for Jesus Christ was what the Lord used to break through the barriers that kept me away from Him. All I can tell ya, brother is that once I was blind and now I see. How did God do it? By His amazing love and grace in Jesus Christ. It was and still is a miracle to me.

What an amazing post. Truly touching.

 

[Mitspa]

But how can a man (or woman) come to God unless He call them first? And don't lost souls have to see someone as a living testimony of Jesus Christ before they will listen to preaching against sin?

When Jesus walked the earth, you couldn't keep the throngs of people away from Him. What did Jesus do to attract such mobs of lost sinners? Were they running to Jesus in fear of hellfire and wanting to be saved from it? Or did they want something more? What exactly did they think Jesus had that was so valuable that they searched all over and hunted Him down everywhere He went?

I don't think condemnation or guilt led them to Jesus. I think the Light of Life drew them to Himself. I think Jesus' life was a great light of itself and exposed the darkness of the carnal world. I believe people knew in their spirits Jesus could offer them true life - real peace, real joy, real love.

I'm not saying preaching against sin is in vain. God forbid! I'm just wondering how come mobs of people aren't following us around yearning for the Light of Life? Or maybe they are and we aren't looking at them.

The holy Spirit will convict them of sin.. and help them see their need for Christ....But the Holy Spirit bears witness to the truth, not a lie...And those who flocked to Christ was all very aware that they was sinners and needed a Savior...that's the purpose of the law and that's why the law was established and Jesus came to those under the law...SO THEY WOULD KNOW THEY NEEEDED A SAVIOR...