GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

This post certainly has Colossians 2:16-17 which is from the OP.

What we do find from Paul is instruction about the Sabbath as being insignificant and to not let anyone judge us about it, because it’s only a shadow.

Whereas the substance is Christ.

16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, 17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:16-17


But hey, if you do find something in the New Testament that does teach us how we are to observe the Sabbath, please let me know. JPT

The OP is about Col 2:14-17. Did you want to adress it? Simply stating the scripture that the OP is talking about, does not address what the OP is saying and the scriptures in the OP which show your interpretation of it not to be true.

If you have nothing to share then how can you disagree with the OP? If you can't disagee with the OP then you should BELIEVE and FOLLOW God's WORD.

SIN will keep all who practice it out of God's Kingdom and closing your eyes to the Word of God will not help you come judgement day when the Word of God has come to you but you choose to reject the Word that God calls you with. GOd's Word will only testify against those that reject it.

i have addressed your posts, to only have you continually ignore my question that pertains to the Sabbath and the OP. You you are in check mate. Everyone sees your deceitful attempts to dodge the simple question that renders the Sabbath as insignificant. Until you post a New Testament scripture that directs us how to observe the Sabbath under the New Covenant you and your misguided doctrine have been refuted. JLB

LGF still seems to be expecting responses from forum members who disagree with him. He can't seem to accept the fact that his treatment of the responses he has gotten has made him unworthy to receive others.

Truly Sad!!!!

It means what it says, here is another passge with the same thought:

John/Yahanan 12:48, "He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day."

Does anyone here actually beleive they may disoeb the Messiah and it's OK?




I guess falsely proclaiming somthing and saying it is someones feeling is doctrine now huh?

No, the 7th day Sabbath points to that rest that none have yet entered into, any that claim to are making their own definition of what the rest Yahshua offers is:

2 Thessalonians 1:5-10, “Clear evidence of the righteous judgment of יהוה, in order for you to be counted worthy of the reign of יהוה, for which you also suffer, since יהוה shall rightly repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to give you who are afflictedrest with us when the Master יהושע is revealed from heaven with His mighty messengers, in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know יהוה, and on those who do not obey the Good News of our Master יהושע Messiah, who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Master and from the esteem of His strength, when He comes to be esteemed in His set-apart ones and to be admired among all those who believe in that Day, because our witness to you was believed.”



Revelation 14:13, "And I heard a voice from heaven saying to me: Write: Blessed are the dead, the ones dying in the Messiah from now on! Yes, says the Spirit: because they will rest from their labors, and their works do follow them!"

Like everything else gospel related you are wrong about this as well.

Hebrews 4:2-3
2 For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it.
3 For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world.

That's good news, right? When the Lord Jesus offers us rest He is able to give us that rest.

But we have to believe Him.


The 7th day sabbath pointed to the Rest that the Lord Jesus Christ has been giving His People by faith.

I feel the biggest problem here is, The Sabbath referred to in Colossians was not talking about the one in the ten commandments, but the Feats and holy days, It says "Sabbaths" which mean it's not talking about the 'Sabbath" So God didn't tell us to not judge what day to worship on, first off if we go by that, God never said what day, for all we know he's saying we can worship on Wednesday, which we know isn't the case, He gave us the law on Sinai, and people need to stop trying to blot out that commandment, when God never did, Nor the disciples, or paul, They all kept the Sabbath, and never stopped doing that, Where in the entire bible does it say we should keep sunday, plus that it was only for the jews, when the jews at the time didn't exist, Adam, Abraham, Moses even, weren't jews, were all under the promise according to

Galatians 3 7Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. and Galatians 3 26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. We are all of Christ now, Paul wasn't saying get rid of the law, He was saying the law doesn't save us, and our love for Christ will make us keep the law, the law itself is a schoolmaster, But Jesus is our savior, and he'll bring us to Christ, Does that make the law sin? God forbid, Romans brings all that out.

I feel the biggest problem here is, The Sabbath referred to in Colossians was not talking about the one in the ten commandments, but the Feats and holy days, It says "Sabbaths" which mean it's not talking about the 'Sabbath" So God didn't tell us to not judge what day to worship on, first off if we go by that, God never said what day, for all we know he's saying we can worship on Wednesday, which we know isn't the case, He gave us the law on Sinai, and people need to stop trying to blot out that commandment, when God never did, Nor the disciples, or paul, They all kept the Sabbath, and never stopped doing that, Where in the entire bible does it say we should keep sunday, plus that it was only for the jews, when the jews at the time didn't exist, Adam, Abraham, Moses even, weren't jews, were all under the promise according to

Galatians 3 7Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham. 8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed. 9So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham. and Galatians 3 26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. We are all of Christ now, Paul wasn't saying get rid of the law, He was saying the law doesn't save us, and our love for Christ will make us keep the law, the law itself is a schoolmaster, But Jesus is our savior, and he'll bring us to Christ, Does that make the law sin? God forbid, Romans brings all that out.

You are a funny one indeed. How have you adressed my posts when you ignore them and do not respond to them or the many scriptures in them? You indeed do not BELIEVE the scriptures. I do not judge you. It is between you and God because they are His Words and not mine and His Words will judge us all in the last days John 12:47-48

What’s funny is you keep dodging and ignoring the very thing that refutes your misguided theology.

There is is not one scripture in all of the New Testament that teaches us how to observe the Sabbath today, under the New Covenant.

JPT

Amen! NOWHERE does the NT teach that keeping the Sabbath day is binding on Christians under the New Covenant. SDA's can quote a multitude of scriptures and twist those scriptures to try and make them say whatever they want them say, but they are not fooling us.

*Sabbath keeping with all it's rules and regulations, was part of a covenant with Israel that is not binding on Christians under the New Covenant.

*Colossians 2:16 - Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath day 17 things which are a mere shadow of what is to come; but the substance belongs to Christ.

Even when SDA's set out to worship on the Sabbath, are they truly "keeping the Sabbath?" To "keep the Sabbath" as it was required in the Old Testament under the Old Covenant would involve compliance with specific regulations (Exodus 16:23; 35:3; Leviticus 23:32; Jeremiah 17:21) that were strictly enforced.

If Sabbath day observances are still required, so would the burnt offerings which went along with them (Leviticus 19:30; 23:2-3; Numbers 28:1-10; 29:39-40; I Chronicles. 23:30-31; II Chronicles 31:2-4; Isaiah 1:13). So no kindling a fire in any of your dwellings on the sabbath (Exodus 35:3). Every man must remain in his place (no traveling) on the sabbath (Exodus 16:29). No trading (Amos 8:5). No marketing (Nehemiah 10:31; 13:15,19).

These were commanded by God to Israel (Exodus 35:1).

If the seventh day Sabbath is still in affect, then why do not the Sabbatarians seek to obey ALL that the LORD commanded? How can a person keep a certain law when he keeps only part of it?

If the Sabbath day laws were still in effect today, then according to Exodus 31:12-18; 35:1-3; and Numbers 15:32-36, anyone who profaned the Sabbath was put to death and any person who does any work on it, that person shall be cut off from his people.

Who is going to enforce that? The Jewish synagogue? The Seventh day Adventist church? The Government? Since we do not live under a theocratic state as ancient Israel did under the Old Covenant, no Sabbatarian can live consistently under these Mosaic regulations.

SDA's play the same game in salvation as every other false movement of Christendom. They profess to teach that salvation is by grace through faith, but then redefine this in a way that is contrary to salvation by grace through faith, not works. Even though they deny this, they teach that salvation is by "grace plus law, faith plus works." Their doctrine of salvation is a subtle mixture of law and grace that is a perversion of the Gospel (Galatians 1:6-9).

just note all the sda/Hebrew roots double speak- Sabbath does not save, but if you break any of the 10, your going to hell- God expects us to keep the Sabbath, which has nothing to do with salvation, but if you break a command...........

do they think we cannot see the ferris wheel logic? we are not blinded by cult propaganda, as sadly they are.