Not By Works

John 6:44-47
44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. 45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall all be taught by God.’ Therefore everyone who has heard and learned from the Father comes to Me. 46 Not that anyone has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father. 47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life.

Amen Praise God...Preach it Brother BillG...This is the Truth , it is written , spoken by JESUS Himself...xox...

Amen!
Romans 11:29 for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable.

Irrevocable =ἀμεταμέλητος (ametamelētos)
Strong: G278
GK: G294
not to be repented of; by impl. irrevocable, enduring, Rom. 11:29; 2 Cor. 7:10

OSAS is not a doctrine of the Church - Eternal Security is a doctrine of the Church.

As usual you are misguided in your theology and do not provide scripture to back up your false belief.

are you a troll?

there is no way you can not see what is being said

i just explained the whole verse in context
if you quote that verse and equate it to loss of salvation youre in error

and it is as clear as day

the same with being born of flesh = being born


not being dipped in water


how can you believe the ridiculous conclusions you draw from the verses


your whole view disproves itself

you are a liar

the Lord is not slack concerning His promises
He keeps every one of them
I've already explained every point you keep trying to make when you take these verses out of context but you keep asking the same questions unable to learn the truth
it is crazy to me how blind you are when so many brothers and sisters keep trying to help you and shine light on the truth

I was reading Titus chapter 3 today , from verse 5 on , think thats what i will do about ben , i mean its a merry go round and he wont listen so

In the Sermon on the Mount Jesus is using "hyperbole" just as he said in Matt5:59 on adultry, "if your eye offends you pluck it out." He is exaggerating the issue to make his point to the disciples. In the Same way in forgiving other people their trespasses or God won't forgive ours.

Will God forgive our trespasses, yes of course He will, Jesus is exaggerating the point using hyperbole, so that we know how important it is to forgive others. You have misinterpreted this passage of scripture as you continue to do always.

Your interpretation skills are very troubling

We all know he is false.....and to say the Lord can go back on a promise.....goes right along with him casting doubt on LUKE and the validity of LUKE....only a man led of the devil would say such foolish things.....no one led of God would...that is for sure.....a total waste of time to engage him....

He isn't here to learn. He is here to instigate and irritate. TITUS 3 http://qbible.com/greek-new-testament/titus/3.html
I looked but I guess the years have let it pass from the search engines reach. But, there was an atheist forum some years ago that was talking about Poe's Law.
That's where someone poses as something they're not.
On this particular atheist forum there was a thread OP that outlined in detail how to pretend to be a Christian on the Net. Join Christian forums / discussion boards, and proceed to cause chaos using the Bible "against us". First pretending to know the scriptures, then avowing the scriptures say what is actually not there. Just to watch the fireworks. I.E. the actual Christians rally to defend the word that that posing atheist doesn't respect in the first place, and to lead what those unaware Christians think is a fellow sister or brother who has been taught the wrong gospel. Or, are misunderstanding the truth of God in Christ. Unaware of course that they're not actually talking to a true sister or brother in Christ.

Hi NoName, benhur is a deceiver and cannot interpret scripture properly, he reads the bible like it is a novel, and tells you what he thinks the bible say's.

As in Matthew6:14,15 Jesus is exaggerating his statements using hyperbole. The same as Jesus' talk on adultry, "if your eye offends you pluck it out." He doesn't want people to pluck out their eye, it is hyperbole, an exaggeration to get His point across.

Will God forgive "all" of our sins, yes of course He will, Jesus was using hyperbole, a well known form of communication.

benher does not understand proper interpretation of scripture and he will lead many down a dark path, a pity.
His misunderstanding of what the scriptures say is terribly disturbing and that is why he is obsessed with the false gospel of works and loosing your salvation.

Pure nonesense, what true Christian will not continue to follow Christ Jesus, Gods promises are irrevocable and the judgment seat of Christ, (The Bema Seat), is for rewards not punishment.

Your gospel is false and your childish stories are complete nonsense.

[QUOTE="dcontroversal, post: 3615791, member: 183444"....."a total waste of time to engage him"....[/QUOTE]

Amen decon, never have I heard such a reckless handling of God's precious word.

His false view makes Christ into a liar.....I WILL NEVER leave your OR FORSAKE YOU <--IF he did then he would be a liar....and we ALL know Christ KEEPS his WORD

Amen decon, never have I heard such a reckless handling of God's precious word.[/QUOTE]

I am serious.....anyone who casts doubt upon the word of GOD, attempts to undermine LUKE's account and then states Christ can go back on his word....is false and not worth 1 micro second of time....We have all tried, he has twisted what we say, changed what we say, embellished what we say, basically calls JESUS an Indian giver, and a fraud because he can disregard his word and change it at a whim...etc.....and then claims to be a believer....

Amen!
Bible Verses about Mockers
......Mockers hate correction.
12. Proverbs 9:4-12 “Whoever is naive, let him turn in here,” she says to those who lack understanding. “Come, eat some of my food, and drink some of the wine I have mixed. Abandon your foolish ways so that you may live, and proceed in the way of understanding.” Whoever corrects a mocker is asking for insult; whoever reproves a wicked person receives abuse. Do not reprove a mocker or he will hate you; reprove a wise person and he will love you. Give instruction to a wise person, and he will become wiser still; teach a righteous person and he will add to his learning. The beginning of wisdom is to fear the Lord, and acknowledging the Holy One is understanding. For because of me your days will be many, and years will be added to your life. If you are wise, you are wise to your own advantage, but if you are a mocker, you alone must bear it.

13. Proverbs 14:6-9 The scorner seeks wisdom but finds none, but understanding is easy for a discerning person. Leave the presence of a foolish person, or you will not understand wise counsel. The wisdom of the shrewd person is to discern his way, but the folly of fools is deception. Fools mock at reparation, but among the upright there is favor.

On Judgement Day their luck will run out.
14. Proverbs 19:28-30 A corrupt witness mocks justice, and the wicked person feeds on iniquity. Condemnation is appropriate for mockers, just as beatings are for the backs of fools.
15. Matthew 12:35-37 A good person brings good things out of a good treasure house, and an evil person brings evil things out of an evil treasure house. I tell you, on Judgment Day people will give an account for every thoughtless word they have uttered, because by your words you will be acquitted, and by your words you will be condemned.”




Psalm 74:10-12 How long, O God, shall the adversary reproach? Shall the enemy blaspheme thy name for ever? Why drawest thou back thy hand, even thy right hand? Pluck it out of thy bosom and consume them. Yet God is my King of old, Working salvation in the midst of the earth.


Psalm 14:1-2 Fools say to themselves, “There is no God.” They are corrupt and commit evil deeds; not one of them practices what is good.

If those who mock the word of God are banned from a Christian forum they typically return using a new screen name. At least his fruits are becoming impossible to recognize as corrupt and of darkness. Perhaps he shall seek elsewhere. Prayerfully, not to another forum of faithful dedicated to Christ.

Where two or more are gathered in Jesus' name there to he is among them also. We have always outnumbered the evil one. Wherever we may find them.

Sisters and brothers, let us not ourselves lapse into losing our peace in confronting the darkness among us. That's also what they want. They want to see us act like the Devil while defending Christ.

This is for levity. And for information purposes.

Trolls in Biblical Times…
The ‘Shrink has been blogging about Trolls recently: The Psychology of Trollsand The Trolls in All of Our Lives…and he got me thinking, and it made me realize that there were trolls in Biblical times as well. A “troll” is slang for someone that comes around (on the ‘net it is usually on message boards, or the comments section of blogs), and says things to stir people up, and tries to cause an emotional reaction. Many times it is in the form of an attack, and can be a set up.
Think about it. Jesus hardly ever preached to the people when there weren’t a few trolls around. ....
(Continues https://thechristianscribbler.com/2008/07/13/trolls-in-biblical-times/

According to decon, 90% of Christians disagree with you.

To whomever may be of concern:

According to this forum not one person has given benhur a "like sticker" for the past 140 pages - not a single person on this thread has approved of anything benhur has said about the bible. Pretty amazing since you esteem yourself so very high.

According to this Christian forum 100% of Christians disagree with you and your dreadful fake gospel.

I would have made my search longer but it would have been a big waste of time and effort.

John3:16
"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that "whoever believes in Him" shall not perish but have eternal life."

Simple Gospel, True Gospel

There are conditions attached. We need to have a full and unconditional love for the Lord that is greater than our love for ourselves or family.

Mat 22:36-40 ERV
(36) He said, "Teacher, which command in the law is the most important?"
(37) Jesus answered, "'Love the Lord your God with all your heart, all your soul, and all your mind.'
(38) This is the first and most important command.
(39) And the second command is like the first: 'Love your neighbor the same as you love yourself.'
(40) All of the law and the writings of the prophets take their meaning from these two commands."

Mat 10:37-39 ERV
(37) "Those who love their father or mother more than they love me are not worthy of me. And those who love their son or daughter more than they love me are not worthy of me.
(38) Those who will not accept the cross that is given to them when they follow me are not worthy of me.
(39) Those who try to keep the life they have will lose it. But those who give up their life for me will find true life.