Not By Works

So the teeshirt makes what you say correct, right? Just more of your unbelievable nonsense. 140 pages and not one "Like Sticker", put that on your T'shirt.

benhur said:

If I believe and have been baptized of the HS, what is it to you that I also am engaged in good works. Is Jesus going to say, you didn't need to be engaged in good works, therefore I will not give you eternal life, even though you believed and were baptized of the HS.
Is that how it works?

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What you have not done, is to convince us that you EVEN KNOW WHAT IT IS TO BE BAPTIZED BY THE HOLY SPIRIT. I noticed you said "OF THE HS", very impersonally. That is an error in and of itself. If you do not believe that the Holy Spirit has IMMERSED you INTO THE SPIRITUAL BODY OF CHRIST, then you are only an insufficient FOLLOWER of Christ, NOT ONE WHO KNOWS HIM PERSONALLY. If you do not understand that the Immersion by the HOLY SPIRIT into the Body of Christ, is a REAL THING, and that IT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN one who is still Dead in the Spirit, and one who is ETERNALLY ALIVE IN YOUR HUMAN SPIRIT. If you cannot understand that spiritual BAPTISM by the Holy Spirit is WAY MORE IMPORTANT than any Christian Water Baptism, I do not believe you are Born Again. IF THE HOLY SPIRIT IS NOT A REAL PERSON TO YOU, THAT HAS TAKEN UP RESIDENCE IN YOUR HEART, AND YOU KNOW HIM INTIMATELY, AND HE IS YOUR TEACHER, you are still lost.

Bible verses please, where does the bible support these useless ideas of yours,

Support your ideas with bible verses please; oh you have none.

Mark 8:36 - “For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?”



It is possible to lose your soul.

BillG said:

What do you mean by "Gives up on Jesus?

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That is a concept that is FOREIGN to all TRUE BELIEVERS. When I was in the Prison Ministry, I had a inmate tell me, "I tried Christianity, IT DOES NOT WORK." NO, he never even came close to being a REAL CHRISTIAN. He thought GOD was a magic genie, and if he rubbed him the right way, he would get what he wants from GOD. GOD IS NOT A MAGIC GENIE!

I have to wonder if that is what draws them done the of the False Doctrine Path of Works Righteousness?

Are they expecting GOD to give them what they want, if they rub God the right way?

The real question is do you do the works that God has prepared for you to do? If you do not do what God has set up for you to do, will he save you?

Nice try, the man Jesus is speaking about is "not saved", so that if you are not saved and gain the whole world what would it profit you because in the end you will lose you soul. the man is obviously, "not saved"

This passage does not prove a Cristian can lose their soul. "profit a man", the man is not saved

I think you raise a very important point.
God is not a genie.

In a sense we are not in it to win it (lottery slogan over here).
We are in it because we believe.

Nope. thats not the question at all.

The question is, do you have a living faith in God, or not.

Here you go again harping on your lovely works, but you say, "oh no not me", plus we are already saved. What foolishness.

It is foreign to a true believer, but who can know who a true believer is?

God does give blessings to his sons and daughters here on earth, mainly through the good works of his other sons and daughters who are living the law of Christ and lightening the burdens of their fellow men.

I am saved unto good works, are you not?

A good Christian can lose their soul if they lose focus on the cross, and lose focus on the life of Jesus and his saying that if you love me, then follow me and keep my commandments.

so true brother...
just more nonsense

And that is my point to you in an earlier post.

Who can who a true believer is?

Yes God does give blessings to his sons and daughters but he also gives blessings to those who are not living the law of Christ and lightening the burdens of fellow men.

So what are the differences between the blessings of his kids and those who are not his kids?

What do you think?

every single born again believer is an adopted son/daughter of God and makes it to heaven by grace through faith

regardless of your constant attempt to fight against the teachings of Jesus

this remains true

Yes I am, however you put your works out in front, I put Jesus my savior in the forefront of my life. Boasting of your works is not permitted, you are continually talking about your good works and I am saying stop boasting, we know what God requires of us, no need to continually put yours works out in front.

Works don't save Jesus saves, if you are looking to keep yourself saved by your wonderful works,
you have fallen from grace.

Just remember decon and you are spewing that 90% of Christians are worshipping the wrong Jesus. That is interesting.

A good Christian "can lose their soul", so eternal salvation is now conditional.

I'm done, and be careful benhur lest you lose your focus and end up in hell, be careful now.

You kind of make things up as you go and you forgot to say, "His commandment are not burdensome".