The Antichrist

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garee, I stick with scripture and therefore was not guessing, but proclaiming a scriptural truth. The antichrist is a literal human being. The beast is that fallen angel who will come up out of the Abyss at the 5th trumpet and will be the power behind the antichrist.

"They had as king over them the angel of the Abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon and in Greek is Apollyon (that is, Destroyer).

"The beast, which you saw, once was, now is not, and yet will come up out of the Abyss and go to its destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book of life from the creation of the world will be astonished when they see the beast, because it once was, now is not, and yet will come."

"The beast who once was, and now is not, is an eighth king. He belongs to the seven and is going to his destruction."

"One of the heads of the beast seemed to have had a fatal wound, but the fatal wound had been healed."

The seven heads are symbolic representing seven kings. The head that receives the fatal wound is the antichrist who is empowered by the angel that comes up out of the Abyss. He is that eighth king.
No guessing needed. The antichrists(many) is simple those who believe another gospel, influenced by another spirit, other than the Spirit of Christ the spirit as father of lies.

2 Corinthians 4:3-5 King James Version (KJV) But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them. For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

No need to try and create drama Hollywood style by appealing to the flesh. As that seen. We walk by faith. Christ will come in Spirit on the last day like a thief in the night business will be as usual just as in the days of Noah.

No need to look for a literal appearing. God is not a man as us. The one-time demonstration using the corrupted flesh which Christ said does not profit is over. The veil which represented the temporal flesh , will remain rent. Those who believed not are reckoned as antichrists. They deny the father and the Son

Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.

1 John 2:22Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.

Simply follow the prescription for finding the understandings of God (2 Corinthians 4:18) and don't be afraid to look the spiritual understanding hid in parables also called the hidden Mana.

The idea of if the literal makes sense no need to look for the spiritual understanding is not a prescription given by our God. Without parables Christ spoke not is.

In the truest sense I would think the whole Bible is a parable to reveal Christ our husband's work of seeking a bride to be with forever .

For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory; While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.2 Corinthians 4:17-18

The anti Christ's, the many that were already present before the new testament was written..... mark those (666) who have another authority other than Christ alone. They simply wil not buy truth but rather sell it seeing no worth .

The apostate Jews were recognized as antichrists when the veil was rent. Peter who blasphemed the Son of man was used as an example of one in Mathew 16.

The anti (another ) -christ below.

Galatians 1:6-8 King James Version (KJV) I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed

But the father of lies has been doing his work of influences men blinding their minds not to receive the gospel from the beginning in Genesis .Its how he began trying to make the things of men seen, a false source of faith. It clearly offends God not seen

The best example of anti-christ the ungodly influence working in the heart of Peter.

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.Mathew 16:22-23
 

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One other item, God uses the old names of empires and countries because they change so much. If you study the old countries and where they were, then you can follow the Bible a little easier.
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From what I read, He will be of Assyrian descent. Since Assyria is no longer with us, he could have family ties to any country I mentioned. (Micah 5:5)

How much family ties is unknown. We know a lot about him and what He will do upon becoming publicly known except WHO HE WILL BE?

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A lot of people believe thataccording to Daniel 11:37 The Antichrist will be homosexual.
 

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A lot of people believe thataccording to Daniel 11:37 The Antichrist will be homosexual.
I guess anything is possible.. but I do know that It cannot be Bill Clinton.

We know a good bit about the Anti-Christ to come, but those characteristics are not mentioned.

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A lot of people believe thataccording to Daniel 11:37 The Antichrist will be homosexual.

to magnify oneself is to be Homosexual... I think not necessarily. Look to the people that are Egotistical; etc., (i.e. Howard Hughes) and most of them show no tendencies toward that persuasion.

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A lot of people believe thataccording to Daniel 11:37 The Antichrist will be homosexual.
God warns us of the new age movement(1 Timothy 4:1-5) and people that interpret the Bible according to the occult, nature worship, witchcraft, spiritual evolution through nature, and people can still evolve to be greater, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher in the evolutionary process, and an ascended master and avatar, and do not acknowledge a personal God, but honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power.

They believe that the New Age Christ is the final teacher in the evolutionary process, and will cause all people that follow him to evolve to be spiritual, live forever, and be godlike, and be like Jesus an ascended master and avatar, for the Christ conscience will come upon all who follow the New Age Christ, but the New Age Christ is above them through the power of nature, and will claim to be God, or the highest being through the power of nature, for he will exalt himself above all, people, and all that is called God, or is worshipped.

The new age movement is the future for this sinful world(2 Timothy 4:2-4), and will develop in to a unified religious system with all religions interpreted as evolution as standard religion, and the truth, and beliefs that are taught not compatible are not tolerated, and a hate crime.

The unified religious system will operate for three and one half years prior to the antichrist claiming to be God, and will lead the people that do not love God to the beast kingdom.

At that time it will be international law that a man and a woman cannot marry for population reduction on blessed mother earth, and command to abstain from meats for they are nature worshippers, reverence of animals.

The Bible says the last king, the antichrist, New Age Christ, will not have a desire of women, which I do not believe that he will be homosexual, although the law says that a man and a woman cannot marry, and he would abide by that, but I believe it means he has no desire to have a family life, and dating whether man or woman, for his agenda is to rule the world, and to bring peace to the world, and that is all he cares about, and is concerned about.

Jesus is the most holy man that ever lived, and the man of sin the most unholiest man who ever lived.

Jesus did not have a desire of women, for His agenda was not to be married and have a family, but to do the will of the Father preaching the truth, and providing salvation, and that is all He was concerned about.

The antichrist will not have a desire of women, for his agenda is not to be married and have a family, but to rule the world, and bring peace to the world, and that is all he is concerned about.

The Pharisees sent officers to take Jesus, but they came back empty handed, and the Pharisees said, why did you not take Him, and they said, for no man ever spoke like this man, which Jesus spoke like no other person they heard speak on the side of goodness.

When the transgressors are come to the full which is at the end of the three and one half years the unified religious system is in operation, then a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences shall stand up, which the antichrist will speak like no other man they heard speak, but it will be on the side of rebelliousness, but they look at it as good.
 

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Greetings Avillianna,

For sure those in Christ are always at war. For scripture states that we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers and spiritual wickedness in high places (Eph.6:12). But, why do you think that the antichrist is "Satan himself?"

Paul refers to the antichrist as "the man of lawlessness" (2 Thes.2:3-4) and John calls him the antichrist (I John 2:18) and as the beast in Revelation (Rev.13:5-8). The mark of the beast is also said to be the number of a man. Therefore, the antichrist is a literal man. When the beast, that fallen angel, comes up out of the Abyss at the sounding of the 5th trumpet, he will be the power behind the antichrist. Rev.13 states that "The dragon gave the beast his power and his throne and great authority." The dragon is figurative representing Satan and the beast, called Apollyon/abaddon, is another powerful fallen angel who comes up out of the Abyss at the 5th trumpet and will the power behind the antichrist.
I guess I see the Antichrist as being Satan himself because he specifically does the work of Satan. Satan is "in" him, if you want to call it that. I'm sorry....I'm having a hard time explaining it. He may be a literal man who will walk this earth, but so was Jesus....so why can't Satan do the same?
 

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I guess anything is possible.. but I do know that It cannot be Bill Clinton.

We know a good bit about the Anti-Christ to come, but those characteristics are not mentioned.

Blade
It may not fit Bill Clinton but it could fit Obama. Interesting that he gave his acceptance speech at Mile High stadium under a white horse like The Antichrist will ride. He is a homosexual and Michelle is a Transgender named Michael. Here's a good article about it.

https://z3news.com/w/rider-on-white-horse-riding-america/

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I guess I see the Antichrist as being Satan himself because he specifically does the work of Satan. Satan is "in" him, if you want to call it that. I'm sorry....I'm having a hard time explaining it. He may be a literal man who will walk this earth, but so was Jesus....so why can't Satan do the same?
Amen...

The antichrist is simply "another Christ" a word that means to anoint (another annointing or teaching spirit) other than Christ of the scriptures . There were many, perhaps hundreds or thousands present when the New Testament was written.

The veil is rent... the unbelieving Jews were all reckoned as antichrists in that way , they deny the Father and the Son making them antichrists.

2 Corinthians 11:4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

Galatians 1:6I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:

The antichrists went out from us because they were not of us . The word antichrits is used three time in the passage below to emphasize the point

Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth.Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. 1 John2:18-23

It is a man as that seen, influenced by the father of lies not seen as one that denies Christ as the true teacher.

A perfect working example is given to us in Mathew 16: Satan using Peter as the man of sin to deny the gospel influenced by the father of lies to say ; "Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee".

Remember, lying spirits( fallen angels) have no form( No DNA)... they borrow form the creature …. just as in the garden of Eden .

From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and be raised again the third day. Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.Mathew16:
 

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God warns us of the new age movement(1 Timothy 4:1-5) and people that interpret the Bible according to the occult, nature worship, witchcraft, spiritual evolution through nature, and people can still evolve to be greater, and Jesus is not Lord and Savior, but a good teacher in the evolutionary process, and an ascended master and avatar, and do not acknowledge a personal God, but honor the God of forces, or the power of nature as their higher power.

They believe that the New Age Christ is the final teacher in the evolutionary process, and will cause all people that follow him to evolve to be spiritual, live forever, and be godlike, and be like Jesus an ascended master and avatar, for the Christ conscience will come upon all who follow the New Age Christ, but the New Age Christ is above them through the power of nature, and will claim to be God, or the highest being through the power of nature, for he will exalt himself above all, people, and all that is called God, or is worshipped.

The new age movement is the future for this sinful world(2 Timothy 4:2-4), and will develop in to a unified religious system with all religions interpreted as evolution as standard religion, and the truth, and beliefs that are taught not compatible are not tolerated, and a hate crime.

The unified religious system will operate for three and one half years prior to the antichrist claiming to be God, and will lead the people that do not love God to the beast kingdom.

At that time it will be international law that a man and a woman cannot marry for population reduction on blessed mother earth, and command to abstain from meats for they are nature worshippers, reverence of animals.

The Bible says the last king, the antichrist, New Age Christ, will not have a desire of women, which I do not believe that he will be homosexual, although the law says that a man and a woman cannot marry, and he would abide by that, but I believe it means he has no desire to have a family life, and dating whether man or woman, for his agenda is to rule the world, and to bring peace to the world, and that is all he cares about, and is concerned about.

Jesus is the most holy man that ever lived, and the man of sin the most unholiest man who ever lived.

Jesus did not have a desire of women, for His agenda was not to be married and have a family, but to do the will of the Father preaching the truth, and providing salvation, and that is all He was concerned about.

The antichrist will not have a desire of women, for his agenda is not to be married and have a family, but to rule the world, and bring peace to the world, and that is all he is concerned about.

The Pharisees sent officers to take Jesus, but they came back empty handed, and the Pharisees said, why did you not take Him, and they said, for no man ever spoke like this man, which Jesus spoke like no other person they heard speak on the side of goodness.

When the transgressors are come to the full which is at the end of the three and one half years the unified religious system is in operation, then a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences shall stand up, which the antichrist will speak like no other man they heard speak, but it will be on the side of rebelliousness, but they look at it as good.
Jesus did not have a desire of women, for His agenda was not to be married and have a family, but to do the will of the Father preaching the truth, and providing salvation, and that is all He was concerned about.

The antichrist will not have a desire of women, for his agenda is not to be married and have a family, but to rule the world, and bring peace to the world, and that is all he is concerned about.
Interesting point.
 

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I guess I see the Antichrist as being Satan himself because he specifically does the work of Satan. Satan is "in" him, if you want to call it that. I'm sorry....I'm having a hard time explaining it. He may be a literal man who will walk this earth, but so was Jesus....so why can't Satan do the same?
He may be a literal man who will walk this earth, but so was Jesus....so why can't Satan do the same?
I think satan is in spiritual form so he has to have a person in human form to do his bidding. satan has been behind a lot of people in history.
 

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I guess I see the Antichrist as being Satan himself because he specifically does the work of Satan. Satan is "in" him, if you want to call it that. I'm sorry....I'm having a hard time explaining it. He may be a literal man who will walk this earth, but so was Jesus....so why can't Satan do the same?
Oh, Satan will definitely be orchestrating everything that is going on with the antichrist/beast and false prophet, the one world government and one world religion. But I was trying to show you that, there is an angel of the Abyss, also called the beast, who will be coming up out of the Abyss just before the middle of the seven years and will be the one empowering the antichrist who is a literal man. This beast/angel who comes up out of the Abyss is the same one who kills the two witnesses at the end of their time of prophecy.

The meaning regarding the beast as "once was, now is not and yet will come" is as follows:

Once was = He is not in the Abyss, but once was out in the world

Now is not = He is currently not in the world, but is in the Abyss

And yet will come = At a future time, the beast will be coming back up out of the Abyss

"They had tails with stingers like scorpions, which had the power to injure people for five months. They were ruled by a king, the angel of the abyss. His name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek it is Apollyon."

When this angel comes up out of the Abyss, he will be the power behind the human antichrist. It is at this time when the antichrist empowered by the beast, he breaks his seven year covenant with Israel and stands in the temple proclaiming himself to be God and at that time will also kill the two witnesses (Dan.9:27, Matt.24:15, 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Rev.9:10, 11:7)
 

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I think satan is in spiritual form so he has to have a person in human form to do his bidding. satan has been behind a lot of people in history.
Yes. This is kinda what I was trying to get at. Thank you.
 

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Oh, Satan will definitely be orchestrating everything that is going on with the antichrist/beast and false prophet, the one world government and one world religion. But I was trying to show you that, there is an angel of the Abyss, also called the beast, who will be coming up out of the Abyss just before the middle of the seven years and will be the one empowering the antichrist who is a literal man. This beast/angel who comes up out of the Abyss is the same one who kills the two witnesses at the end of their time of prophecy.

The meaning regarding the beast as "once was, now is not and yet will come" is as follows:

Once was = He is not in the Abyss, but once was out in the world

Now is not = He is currently not in the world, but is in the Abyss

And yet will come = At a future time, the beast will be coming back up out of the Abyss

"They had tails with stingers like scorpions, which had the power to injure people for five months. They were ruled by a king, the angel of the abyss. His name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek it is Apollyon."

When this angel comes up out of the Abyss, he will be the power behind the human antichrist. It is at this time when the antichrist empowered by the beast, he breaks his seven year covenant with Israel and stands in the temple proclaiming himself to be God and at that time will also kill the two witnesses (Dan.9:27, Matt.24:15, 2 Thessalonians 2:4, Rev.9:10, 11:7)

When he does come does the scriptures say he will do harm to those with the mark or those without it,(mark of God or of the beast),,,?
 

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When he does come does the scriptures say he will do harm to those with the mark or those without it,(mark of God or of the beast),,,?
The beast will already being doing harm to those who worship him and who receive his mark, sealing their fate. He will also be given authority to make war and conquer the great tribulation saints during that last 3 1/2 years, many of which will be beheaded. - Rev.13:7-8, 14:9-11,
 

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The beast will already being doing harm to those who worship him and who receive his mark, sealing their fate. He will also be given authority to make war and conquer the great tribulation saints during that last 3 1/2 years, many of which will be beheaded. - Rev.13:7-8, 14:9-11,

lol, what about the part where their only given to harm those who have the mark of the beast?
 

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The beast will already being doing harm to those who worship him and who receive his mark, sealing their fate. He will also be given authority to make war and conquer the great tribulation saints during that last 3 1/2 years, many of which will be beheaded. - Rev.13:7-8, 14:9-11,
Now this got me thinking and it involves researching into the past when it comes to beheading. For example, looking into the past involved with Church of England and King Henry VIII, (as back then King Henry VIII was head of the Church of England just like Pope is to Catholic Church). Have a read up on Thomas More, got beheaded for refusing to take the Oath of Supremacy.

It does stand to reason those who refuse to accept the mark and worship him, from a world point of view that act could be considered a form of treason, which explains the beheading.

We really need to be on guard in these end times, and I hate to say this, but so many people will be rolling out the red carpet and welcoming the anti-messiah with open arms. Sadly, it is my opinion many have already accepted him in their hearts.



lol, what about the part where their only given to harm those who have the mark of the beast?
Are you referring to the locusts that are mention in Rev 9 ??
 

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lol, what about the part where their only given to harm those who have the mark of the beast?
Oh, correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that you are talking about the following scripture:

"And out of the smoke, locusts descended on the earth, and they were given power like that of the scorpions of the earth. They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads."

If the above is what you are talking about, this is referring to those demonic beings that resemble locusts. Normally locusts will eat every green thing in site, but these are not normal locust and are told not to harm the grass, plants or trees, but only those who don't have the seal of God on their foreheads, which means only those 144,000 who come out of Israel who are sealed in Rev.7 are exempt from the torment of these demonic beings with tails and stings like scorpions. Everyone else will be exposed to this trumpet judgment.

If this is not the one you were talking about, then please give me the location of the scripture. Thanks!
 

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Now this got me thinking and it involves researching into the past when it comes to beheading. For example, looking into the past involved with Church of England and King Henry VIII, (as back then King Henry VIII was head of the Church of England just like Pope is to Catholic Church). Have a read up on Thomas More, got beheaded for refusing to take the Oath of Supremacy.

It does stand to reason those who refuse to accept the mark and worship him, from a world point of view that act could be considered a form of treason, which explains the beheading.

We really need to be on guard in these end times, and I hate to say this, but so many people will be rolling out the red carpet and welcoming the anti-messiah with open arms. Sadly, it is my opinion many have already accepted him in their hearts.





Are you referring to the locusts that are mention in Rev 9 ??
That was my feeling as well, that he was referring to the demonic locusts, where those sealed (144,000) would be exempt from the torment of this 5th trumpet.
 

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"And out of the smoke, locusts descended on the earth, and they were given power like that of the scorpions of the earth. They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads."
So this verse has got me thinking, from a technological point of view, it sounds like these locusts have been programmed to go after a specific target, as if the target concerned is emitting some kind of signal, that these locusts will home in on?

I have wondered if the locusts mentioned could be in relation to flying drones of some kind?
 
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The Bible says the last king, the antichrist, New Age Christ, will not have a desire of women, which I do not believe that he will be homosexual, although the law says that a man and a woman cannot marry, and he would abide by that, but I believe it means he has no desire to have a family life, and dating whether man or woman, for his agenda is to rule the world, and to bring peace to the world, and that is all he cares about, and is concerned about.
He will not be a man as us to begin with

Why would you equate holiness with having no desire to be with a woman? Sounds like a Catholic doctrine used to set up a all male priesthood like the old order before the Son of man Jesus came

The last King, as King of Kings is Christ.

Christ is the husband of his chaste virgin bride, the church. Coming to be with his bride forever is the gospel .If he did not have a desire for her/ us he would not of left his word to prepare us to meet him in our new bodies.

Revelation 21 King James Version (KJV) And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.