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gentiles were never under the Law of Moses. only Israel. there is no N.T. command for gentiles to keep the Sabbath. read the book of Acts.
so, your questions are from a flawed premise. no Law of Moses for gentiles. there are plenty of instructional verses in the N.T., for all believers . why not just follow those??
so, your questions are from a flawed premise. no Law of Moses for gentiles. there are plenty of instructional verses in the N.T., for all believers . why not just follow those??
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Once again you completely ignore the context of my comment.
I haven't missed anything. If you read the thread of discussion, you would see that. Instead you seem to think that I must put a complete argument into every post.
That simply does not follow from the statements above... at all.
Ridiculous. Observance of the "Lord's Day" was never commanded in Scripture. Where there is no command, there is no sin.
Finally, something with which I can agree.
I haven't missed anything. If you read the thread of discussion, you would see that. Instead you seem to think that I must put a complete argument into every post.
That simply does not follow from the statements above... at all.
Ridiculous. Observance of the "Lord's Day" was never commanded in Scripture. Where there is no command, there is no sin.
Finally, something with which I can agree.
The Jews didn't teach God's Laws according to the Jesus of the Bible.
"saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses."
It is true that the Jews religion also included a version of circumcision and of the Levitical Priesthood "works of the Law" for remission of sins.
But they didn't teach what the Law and Prophets taught about circumcision, or the promised change of the Priesthood. As Jesus said, they taught for doctrines the Commandments of men. their version of Circumcision was only part of their religion.
To preach, as many do, that the Pharisees were trying to get folks to follow God's Laws is in direct opposition to what Jesus said about them over and over.
Paul, after his conversion, was allowed to understand the truth about Circumcision. The Pharisees didn't, except for maybe Zechariahs who knew Jesus when He came.
Lev. 26:I also was acting with hostility against them, to bring them into the land of their enemies--or if their uncircumcised heart becomes humbled so that they then make amends for their iniquity,
Duet. 10:
16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
17 For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:
18 He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow, and loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment.
19 Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.
20 Thou shalt fear the Lord thy God; him shalt thou serve, and to him shalt thou cleave, and swear by his name.
Jer. 4:
4 If thou wilt return, O Israel, saith the Lord, return unto me: and if thou wilt put away thine abominations out of my sight, then shalt thou not remove.
2 And thou shalt swear, The Lord liveth, in truth, in judgment, and in righteousness; and the nations shall bless themselves in him, and in him shall they glory.
3 For thus saith the Lord to the men of Judah and Jerusalem, Break up your fallow ground, and sow not among thorns.
4 Circumcise yourselves to the Lord, and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.
Jer. 6:10 To whom shall I speak, and give warning, that they may hear? behold, their ear is uncircumcised, and they cannot hearken: behold, the word of the Lord is unto them a reproach; they have no delight in it.
It is a huge falsehood to preach that the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time were teach what God intended. God sent them Prophets to straighten them out, not because they were follow His Commandments, but because they were not, and they killed them. Then God sent His own Son to straighten them out. Not because they were following the Commandments of God but because they were not. And they killed Him as well.
I may understand differently than you, but I don't think it is because I am in error.
A very good discussion to have though, thanks for the reply.
"saying, That it was needful to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses."
It is true that the Jews religion also included a version of circumcision and of the Levitical Priesthood "works of the Law" for remission of sins.
But they didn't teach what the Law and Prophets taught about circumcision, or the promised change of the Priesthood. As Jesus said, they taught for doctrines the Commandments of men. their version of Circumcision was only part of their religion.
To preach, as many do, that the Pharisees were trying to get folks to follow God's Laws is in direct opposition to what Jesus said about them over and over.
Paul, after his conversion, was allowed to understand the truth about Circumcision. The Pharisees didn't, except for maybe Zechariahs who knew Jesus when He came.
Lev. 26:I also was acting with hostility against them, to bring them into the land of their enemies--or if their uncircumcised heart becomes humbled so that they then make amends for their iniquity,
Duet. 10:
16 Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
17 For the Lord your God is God of gods, and Lord of lords, a great God, a mighty, and a terrible, which regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:
18 He doth execute the judgment of the fatherless and widow, and loveth the stranger, in giving him food and raiment.
19 Love ye therefore the stranger: for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt.
20 Thou shalt fear the Lord thy God; him shalt thou serve, and to him shalt thou cleave, and swear by his name.
Jer. 4:
4 If thou wilt return, O Israel, saith the Lord, return unto me: and if thou wilt put away thine abominations out of my sight, then shalt thou not remove.
2 And thou shalt swear, The Lord liveth, in truth, in judgment, and in righteousness; and the nations shall bless themselves in him, and in him shall they glory.
3 For thus saith the Lord to the men of Judah and Jerusalem, Break up your fallow ground, and sow not among thorns.
4 Circumcise yourselves to the Lord, and take away the foreskins of your heart, ye men of Judah and inhabitants of Jerusalem: lest my fury come forth like fire, and burn that none can quench it, because of the evil of your doings.
Jer. 6:10 To whom shall I speak, and give warning, that they may hear? behold, their ear is uncircumcised, and they cannot hearken: behold, the word of the Lord is unto them a reproach; they have no delight in it.
It is a huge falsehood to preach that the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time were teach what God intended. God sent them Prophets to straighten them out, not because they were follow His Commandments, but because they were not, and they killed them. Then God sent His own Son to straighten them out. Not because they were following the Commandments of God but because they were not. And they killed Him as well.
I may understand differently than you, but I don't think it is because I am in error.
A very good discussion to have though, thanks for the reply.
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="Dan_473, post: 3631431, member: 190874"]Studyman,
Yes, I'm learning this new system, try this:
That is why it's called "Prophesy" and not just reading. And that's why Prophesy is called a gift that everyone doesn't have, but should strive for.
9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
John 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. (Well, there goes the "come as you are" doctrine)
There is a true meaning of this scripture.
Every person on this forum knows Jesus isn't telling us to physically eat His Flesh and drink His Blood. But that's what it says, right Dan? Are you telling me that Jesus is saying we should find His Flesh and eat it before we can enter His Kingdom? Or is this another reason to discount much of the Bible's Words altogether as not truth?
But there is another option. Maybe the Jesus is right and the meaning is Spiritual, and this Spiritual meaning is granted to some and not to others?
How can a person receive the true meaning of this scripture? By attending a church and believing the words of a preacher that transgresses the Commandments of God by their own religious traditions? That didn't work for the people who listened to the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time. Why would it work for you?
As I said before, everyone on this forum Prophesies Dan. Even you. If you want to act as if you don't, well honesty can be a hard thing, especially with ones self.
John 14:
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
It's not an easy thing to truly "believe" in the Word which became Flesh.
Yes, I'm learning this new system, try this:
That is why it's called "Prophesy" and not just reading. And that's why Prophesy is called a gift that everyone doesn't have, but should strive for.
9 Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.
10 And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?
11 He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12 For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13 Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
John 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. (Well, there goes the "come as you are" doctrine)
There is a true meaning of this scripture.
Every person on this forum knows Jesus isn't telling us to physically eat His Flesh and drink His Blood. But that's what it says, right Dan? Are you telling me that Jesus is saying we should find His Flesh and eat it before we can enter His Kingdom? Or is this another reason to discount much of the Bible's Words altogether as not truth?
But there is another option. Maybe the Jesus is right and the meaning is Spiritual, and this Spiritual meaning is granted to some and not to others?
How can a person receive the true meaning of this scripture? By attending a church and believing the words of a preacher that transgresses the Commandments of God by their own religious traditions? That didn't work for the people who listened to the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time. Why would it work for you?
As I said before, everyone on this forum Prophesies Dan. Even you. If you want to act as if you don't, well honesty can be a hard thing, especially with ones self.
John 14:
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
It's not an easy thing to truly "believe" in the Word which became Flesh.
J
Galatians 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor ...
There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there
male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. ...
If we are all one in Christ then what was Given to Israel is for the gentile..
There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there
male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. ...
If we are all one in Christ then what was Given to Israel is for the gentile..
because the word also means Passover as it has been for sometimew now also it speaks of spring and from the word Pascha (Greek, Latin) or Resurrection Sunday, which historically it has been known as . I find it funny the historical normitive for easter has been the resurrection of Christ. for the past 52 years it has been so for me and my father, and his father and on and on. Only legelist church folk bring up this other stuff which I maight add even the lost don't know of it LOL The long standing historical context to the word easter has been the resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. and the early Church has that well documented.
I believe I said "quotes". I was talking about quoting, not reading.
I lifted up mine eyes again, and looked, and behold a man with a measuring line in his hand.
2 Then said I, Whither goest thou? And he said unto me, To measure Jerusalem, to see what is the breadth thereof, and what is the length thereof.
3 And, behold, the angel that talked with me went forth, and another angel went out to meet him,
4 And said unto him, Run, speak to this young man, saying, Jerusalem shall be inhabited as towns without walls for the multitude of men and cattle therein:
5 For I, saith the Lord, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and will be the glory in the midst of her.
6 Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north, saith the Lord: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the Lord.
7 Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon.
8 For thus saith the Lord of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.
9 For, behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me.
10 Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the Lord.
11 And many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto thee.
12 And the Lord shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again.
13 Be silent, O all flesh, before the Lord: for he is raised up out of his holy habitation.
I lifted up mine eyes again, and looked, and behold a man with a measuring line in his hand.
2 Then said I, Whither goest thou? And he said unto me, To measure Jerusalem, to see what is the breadth thereof, and what is the length thereof.
3 And, behold, the angel that talked with me went forth, and another angel went out to meet him,
4 And said unto him, Run, speak to this young man, saying, Jerusalem shall be inhabited as towns without walls for the multitude of men and cattle therein:
5 For I, saith the Lord, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and will be the glory in the midst of her.
6 Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north, saith the Lord: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the Lord.
7 Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon.
8 For thus saith the Lord of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye.
9 For, behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me.
10 Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the Lord.
11 And many nations shall be joined to the Lord in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the Lord of hosts hath sent me unto thee.
12 And the Lord shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again.
13 Be silent, O all flesh, before the Lord: for he is raised up out of his holy habitation.