How do you think we should perform marital roles today? A

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With today's social complexity and general confusion with even issues as simple as gender, marital roles as taught to us by God and the scripture seems to be according to many Christians either in need of revision or even elimination. Do you think we need to return to the first century Church marital roles or do you think that we need to just throw it out the window as archaic?
Please comment!
 

OstrichSmiling

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There was a summer concert in my town not long ago that lasted a full weekend. Hundreds of thousands of people. I was at a local mini-market paying for gas when someone who was ticketed to stay in their outdoor camping area was in front of me buying highly priced bottled water.
They were about 6'3" and male. But they were dressed in women's short shorts, short sleeve blouse, implants obviously, and sneakers.
I know this because they turned around to flirt with the state police officer that was standing behind me in line. All he wanted to do was go home.
This guy thought himself female. If those weren't implants they were cutlets stuffed in a bra. The rest was pure unadulterated male. Including the face that was showing the start of the shadow after shaving that morning didn't do the job. I'd wonder if they'd ever use NAIR for such a close shave.

Now, if I were to use masculine pronouns when describing him to his face or addressing him at all, depending on where I was, I could be sued, fired, or written up. Depending on the tolerance policy of work. Or, just in general public if he chose he could make a scene.
He's not a woman. He shall never ever be a woman.
But he thinks he is. Just like those mutilated people who think they're an animal of some sort and have themselves surgically altered, de-formed, in order to appear as what they think they are. But they never do become.

No, I don't think traditional marriage roles should be altered to fit the Politically Inept model that insists upon being satisfied for its own sake in this fallen world today.
If we give in that means we've given up.
Never!
 

Nehemiah6

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How do you think we should perform marital roles today?
Men should be real men, and women should be real women. It is that simple.
 
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With today's social complexity and general confusion with even issues as simple as gender, marital roles as taught to us by God and the scripture seems to be according to many Christians either in need of revision or even elimination. Do you think we need to return to the first century Church marital roles or do you think that we need to just throw it out the window as archaic?
Please comment!
I think my brother and his wife would be very upset if we reverted back to the first century. DH and I would have to live with him and be his slaves.

Of course, it could be worse than that. By the end of the first century, if we lived, (which we probably wouldn't have, because we're unable to move fast, or relocate at all), we'd be living in caves. Arthritis. I can't imagine the pain of living in caves. And I'm not sure I could do kibbutz. Too American maybe?

Or, you can always go with not being a slave to another era's practices, but adapt the Lord's word into the modern era. This wasn't really an either/or question to begin with.
 

Angela53510

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My husband and I have pretty traditional ”roles.” Of course, he took shop in school and I took home Ec. I never learned to tinker, but then, neither did my father, who I take after. When my maternal grandfather, (a big vet who liked to tinker!) died, my mom took over tinkering some things. Mechanics and repairmen got the rest.

My husband never learned to cook or sew. I guess I took after my mom that way. When I am too sick to cook, he gets take out, or something frozen. No wonder I cook if at all possible.

I take care of all our joint money, just like my mom did. My husband could do it, but he’s busy changing the oil in the 2 cars! Yes, it took me 25 years before I asked him how often he did it and how long it took, and realized I had been had!

He cleans house better than me, but won’t! So I got housekeepers because I can’t! Oh yes, we both worked always, except a couple of years after he got transfered to a new city, and it was a recession and I couldn’t get on teaching. I had 2 preschoolers, it was a great time to be off working. And the last 17 years of my work was disability. But, it was still income, just not as much!

Now are kids all took shop and home Ec, and they all cook and clean. Two sons and one daughter tinker. My daughter is probably my best at it. She had an old Nissan that was constantly breaking down. She helped with everything. There was a fuse that kept blowing, which my electronic tech husband couldn’t fix. So she bought fuses herself and replaced them, at 16. When her car was hit by a deer, she learned body work in a car that should have been written off.

The one son is clueless about fixing. His wife does it, or he takes it to a mechanic or in the case of appliances, throws it out and buys a new one. Lucky they make so much money. But his 4 year old son loves working on cars, yard work, or anything Grandpa is up to. I guess fixing skipped a generation!

Which is to say, we should go with what we are good at, share, compromise and always help our spouses. My family is diverse. We are all unique individuals God created and gave certain natural gifts. If a woman’s roles are cooking and cleaning, I was good! Yet, most woman don’t pursue advanced theological training, yet, that is what God has called me to do. On the other had, my husband is a natural theologian! He doesn’t confuse things, sticks with the Bible.

So my vote is we use the gifts, callings, training and experience God gave us, both inside and outside our marriages. No reason a man can’t be a chef, have the gift of hospitality and entertain!

And if we are just talking who is in charge, that honour goes to the husband, although, if the wife is better trained or more experienced in an area, probably best to trust her. One DIL is a doctor. No way that son is going to tread on the best way to help a child who is hurt or sick!
 

OstrichSmiling

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When we marry the two become one. There's no slave master dynamic. We're to hold each other up through the storm. Stand in where the other is weak and face life together.
It's a relationship. Healthy one's are partnerships.
 

Dino246

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I think we're in danger when we try to impose traditional societal roles on a biblical marriage. Scripture does not define what tasks the husband should do, and what the wife should do (aside from the obvious biological ones). What it does state is the following:

To the men:
"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her, so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, that He might present to Jimself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wringle or any such thinl but that she would be holy and blameless. So husbands ought also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loces himself; for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church." (Eph. 5:25-29)

"You husbands in the same way, live with your wives in an understanding way, as with someone weaker, since she is a women; and show her honor as a fellow heir of the grace of life so that your prayers will not be hindered." (1 Peter 3:7)

I think there's enough there to keep us men sufficiently busy... those of you who are married at least.
 
Jun 29, 2018
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Marianna Florida
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There was a summer concert in my town not long ago that lasted a full weekend. Hundreds of thousands of people. I was at a local mini-market paying for gas when someone who was ticketed to stay in their outdoor camping area was in front of me buying highly priced bottled water.
They were about 6'3" and male. But they were dressed in women's short shorts, short sleeve blouse, implants obviously, and sneakers.
I know this because they turned around to flirt with the state police officer that was standing behind me in line. All he wanted to do was go home.
This guy thought himself female. If those weren't implants they were cutlets stuffed in a bra. The rest was pure unadulterated male. Including the face that was showing the start of the shadow after shaving that morning didn't do the job. I'd wonder if they'd ever use NAIR for such a close shave.

Now, if I were to use masculine pronouns when describing him to his face or addressing him at all, depending on where I was, I could be sued, fired, or written up. Depending on the tolerance policy of work. Or, just in general public if he chose he could make a scene.
He's not a woman. He shall never ever be a woman.
But he thinks he is. Just like those mutilated people who think they're an animal of some sort and have themselves surgically altered, de-formed, in order to appear as what they think they are. But they never do become.

No, I don't think traditional marriage roles should be altered to fit the Politically Inept model that insists upon being satisfied for its own sake in this fallen world today.
If we give in that means we've given up.
Never!
Thanks for this! It really is all interconnected, isn't it? Anytime we compromise on the word we take another bite of that same fruit Adam did!
 

DustyRhodes

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Amor vincit omnia...love conquers all... if we do that
we will have done all that God asks us to do. it has
worked for me, it can work for you for over 52 years
 

OneFaith

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With today's social complexity and general confusion with even issues as simple as gender, marital roles as taught to us by God and the scripture seems to be according to many Christians either in need of revision or even elimination. Do you think we need to return to the first century Church marital roles or do you think that we need to just throw it out the window as archaic?
Please comment!
Christ's rules for His church will not change until He comes to take us home.
 

OstrichSmiling

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Jun 17, 2018
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I think we're in danger when we try to impose traditional societal roles on a biblical marriage. Scripture does not define what tasks the husband should do, and what the wife should do (aside from the obvious biological ones). What it does state is the following:

To the men:
"Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave Himself up for her, so that He might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, that He might present to Jimself the church in all her glory, having no spot or wringle or any such thinl but that she would be holy and blameless. So husbands ought also to love their own wives as their own bodies. He who loves his own wife loces himself; for no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ also does the church." (Eph. 5:25-29)

"You husbands in the same way, live with your wives in an understanding way, as with someone weaker, since she is a women; and show her honor as a fellow heir of the grace of life so that your prayers will not be hindered." (1 Peter 3:7)

I think there's enough there to keep us men sufficiently busy... those of you who are married at least.
I would think it risky to try and impart Biblical roles of marriage dated over 2000 years back onto the contemporary marriage model.
The traditional role of women in those times was in parts enforced at one time in America. Women were second class citizens by law.
The phrase, called an immortal declaration in its time, "all men are created equal" , in our Declaration of Independence did appear to be speaking of men only. Being that women when that document was penned had no right to be considered a sovereign individual.
We've come a long way since then. And we have certainly come a great long way thank God from having to assume by law the role of women in ancient Hebrew households.
 
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Marianna Florida
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Amor vincit omnia...love conquers all... if we do that
we will have done all that God asks us to do. it has
worked for me, it can work for you for over 52 years
Share with us some examples of your love keeping your marriage together?
 

Nehemiah6

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I would think it risky to try and impart Biblical roles of marriage dated over 2000 years back onto the contemporary marriage model.
So you really believe that the Bible is outdated? Why do you bother to read it?
 
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Marianna Florida
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So you really believe that the Bible is outdated? Why do you bother to read it?
That's a great question for her/him! I certainly think the church is out of line on a number of things, the Bible is always wisdom!
 

Noblemen

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With today's social complexity and general confusion with even issues as simple as gender, marital roles as taught to us by God and the scripture seems to be according to many Christians either in need of revision or even elimination. Do you think we need to return to the first century Church marital roles or do you think that we need to just throw it out the window as archaic?
Please comment!
Exactly the way you are, the way you were created, the uniqueness of your creation is perfect for being everything God created you to be. Christ coming out of every believer as they are, with knowledge.
 
Jun 29, 2018
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Marianna Florida
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Exactly the way you are, the way you were created, the uniqueness of your creation is perfect for being everything God created you to be. Christ coming out of every believer as they are, with knowledge.
That's rather a lovely statement! Rings true!