Not By Works

You did not die a moment after your abuse. Therefore, you have had plenty of time to forgive, which I believe you have? Am I right. So is this is a mute point?

Once saved, always saved is not a doctrine. Read the Word of God for the People of God. What work God has done, cannot be undone. The gift once accepted seals the deal.

I'm assuming you are thoroughly up-to-date on the scriptures. No I do not post scripture every time I post. I'm also not going to do your scripture look up for you.

Not that my politics has anything to do with this site nor this thread, (stick to the OP), but I am a die hard conservative who believes in the Republic of the USA and for the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence.

You did not die a moment after your abuse. Therefore, you have had plenty of time to forgive, which I believe you have? Am I right. So is this is a mute point?

Those who are in Him, must abide or remain in Him or be cast into the fire and burned.

Not really. Afterall one minute or one hour or one year the consequences are the same.
But you are different, cause you say "That after one minute you would confess it the father from which I believe you feel you would be saved?

Afterall you have one minute to forgive before you died.

So not mute really.

Yes I have forgiven but it took time and a lot of healing

Departing from the faith does not mean, nor is it interpreted as loss of salvation as you falsely assert.

Furthermore, your inflammatory and insulting comments toward a sister are noted and such behavior is asinine on your part.

There are a whole batch of scriptures that tell me that Jesus will never do anything that loses a person from his love and his gift of eternal life. But there are myriads of scriptures that tell us that we may turn against God and lose our gift.

Do you believe that Jesus will force men to heaven?

Please just read and believe what Jesus said.


6 If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
John 15:6


The Lord loves each of us and does not want any of us to become lost.

• If anyone does not abide in Me....

Can’t you see this.


Read what He says about what happens to a person who is IN HIM, but does not remain in Him.


If anyone does not abide in Me, he is cast out as a branch and is withered; and they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
John 15:6


Here is how a person remains, abides in Christ.

• Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him,

Now he who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. And by this we know that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us.
1 John 3:24



JPT

Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, 1 Timothy 4:1


You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free.

Departing from the faith does not mean, nor is it interpreted as loss of salvation as you falsely assert.

Furthermore, your inflammatory and insulting comments toward a sister are noted and such behavior is asinine on your part.

28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.

Jesus never forces us to accept the gift in the first place. Eternal life is His gift but we must accept it. Once a gift is accepted, it is permanent. Do you believe Jesus would take back the eternal life He gave us as His gift?

To Ladybug,

Very difficult to fake up fruits. That is because fruits are this:
1) the naked are clothed. Can't fake clothing someone.
2) the hungry are fed. Can't fake feeding someone.
3) the sick are taken care of and even healed. Can't fake taking care of the sick.
4) the imprisoned are visited. Can't fake a visit to the prison.
I can go on, but I hope you see my point.

OTOH, you can fake the reception of the baptism of the Holy Spirit. You can fake the idea that you are a new person in Christ. But you can only fake for a while, until someone notices that you have nothing to do with Christ. You have nothing to do with clothing the naked, or feeding the hungry, or healing the sick etc. Then the jig will be up and you will have to decide whether you want to be a real saved Christian or just a nominal, do-nothing, unsaved Christian.

Actually it is no me that says that. It has been said to this forum that the second (not the minute) you believe in Jesus you are saved forever no matter what you do.

I obviously believe there is a different consequence if you die 1 minute or 1 hour, or 1 day after you are abused, but in your case it is a mute point.

Psalms 145:8-20
8 The Lord is merciful and compassionate,
slow to get angry and filled with unfailing love.
9 The Lord is good to everyone.
He showers compassion on all his creation.
10 All of your works will thank you, Lord,
and your faithful followers will praise you.
11 They will speak of the glory of your kingdom;
they will give examples of your power.
12 They will tell about your mighty deeds
and about the majesty and glory of your reign.
13 For your kingdom is an everlasting kingdom.
You rule throughout all generations.
The Lord always keeps his promises;
he is gracious in all he does.
14 The Lord helps the fallen
and lifts those bent beneath their loads.
15 The eyes of all look to you in hope;
you give them their food as they need it.
16 When you open your hand,
you satisfy the hunger and thirst of every living thing.
17 The Lord is righteous in everything he does;
he is filled with kindness.
18 The Lord is close to all who call on him,
yes, to all who call on him in truth.
19 He grants the desires of those who fear him;
he hears their cries for help and rescues them.
20 The Lord protects all those who love him,
but he destroys the wicked.

Once saved, always saved is not a doctrine. Read the Word of God for the People of God. What work God has done, cannot be undone. The gift once accepted seals the deal.