Speaking in tongues

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Noose

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You claim that teaching will not be needed, and that we shall all know the Lord, and yet you are on this forum attempting to teach others. That's a self-defeating argument.

Also, not all prophecy has been fulfilled yet.
Prophesy has nothing to do with speaking incomprehensible words. It was prophesied, it will be fulfilled- there are no new prophesies today. There were interpreters of prophesy in the 1st century (disciples and Apostles), today the interpretation is all in the scripture, there's only understanding and misunderstanding. Understanding is by the holy spirit within the hearts of believers- no one is required to go about telling others that the Lord meant this and that, and even if they did, it would fall on deaf ears. I'm breaking the rules for your sake.
 

PS

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The kingdom of God doesn't come with observable signs.
Then the Kingdom of God will soon be upon us because the observable signs have almost vanished away.
 

Noose

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Then the Kingdom of God will soon be upon us because the observable signs have almost vanished away.
There are no observable signs with the kingdom of God, everything happens within the hearts of believers. There's no outward healing or worship or praising or tongues.
It is made from the chief corner stone who is Jesus/ the foundations of the disciples and believers are being added one after another until the predetermined number is achieved, then the end will come.
 

PS

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There are no observable signs with the kingdom of God, everything happens within the hearts of believers. There's no outward healing or worship or praising or tongues.
It is made from the chief corner stone who is Jesus/ the foundations of the disciples and believers are being added one after another until the predetermined number is achieved, then the end will come.
Without teachers, preachers, and evangelists in future generations, nobody will be added to the church, and that is not the church Jesus set up. He told us to go into all the world and preach the gospel.
 

Dino246

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I'm not teaching others even if i do they won't listen, but i'm cautioning them and i'm trying to reason and test the spirits.
It is not my claim, it is the word of God.

This is the thing:
Even though teaching is continuing today, we are forced to wonder where it comes from- God teaches and the teaching is within the hearts of the believers.
Even though claims of healing and even resurrection are happening today, we are wondering where they are from- For God heals within the hearts of believers, not a man going to heal another man.

And the most obvious one, modern tongues- where is it from.

The kingdom of god doesn't come with observable signs.
While you may claim not to be teaching, "cautioning" and "trying to reason" fall into that category.

To your closing sentence: did Jesus do anything that could be classified as "observable"? Yes, of course He did. You have misinterpreted that principle. You seem to believe that any observable sign must therefore not be of God. That is both logically unsound and factually incorrect. Jesus said, "The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed" in Luke 17:20 but He did not say that there would be no visible evidence of it. It is the kingdom itself which is not visible. The word "signs" is not in that verse, and I have been unable to find another similar to it.
 

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Without teachers, preachers, and evangelists in future generations, nobody will be added to the church, and that is not the church Jesus set up. He told us to go into all the world and preach the gospel.
The church that the bible talks about is not the church that you see every Sunday or Saturday. The church means true believers all over the world.
Jesus did not tell you to go into the world and preach the gospel, He told the disciples and the Apostles and the 1st century church. That is why they were given powers to work miracles and speak in tongues so that the gospel is preached. The antichrist was held back so that this work is finished and when it was done, the miracles ceased, tongues ceased.

Don't you have eyes? when it was said the two witnesses will come and prophesy, were they not talking about Apostles and Disciples under the leadership of Paul and Peter? They preached all over the world and during their preaching, nothing could have touched them, they broke out prisons at will but when they finished witnessing, the antichrist pursued and killed them.

It is not you that is supposed to go into the whole world, it was already done- read Acts.
 

Dino246

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Prophesy has nothing to do with speaking incomprehensible words.
Funny that you mention this. I've been trying to convince Garee that tongues and prophecy aren't the same thing.

I'm breaking the rules for your sake.
Obviously, in your view, I don't "know the Lord" completely, which again is a refutation of your position. You aren't going to convince me with self-defeating arguments. :)
 

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The church that the bible talks about is not the church that you see every Sunday or Saturday. The church means true believers all over the world.
Jesus did not tell you to go into the world and preach the gospel, He told the disciples and the Apostles and the 1st century church.

It is not you that is supposed to go into the whole world, it was already done- read Acts.
So basically you are saying only first century Jews will enter the kingdom of heaven?
 

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Without teachers, preachers, and evangelists in future generations, nobody will be added to the church, and that is not the church Jesus set up. He told us to go into all the world and preach the gospel.
Those are not sign gifts and they must remain and continue until the Rapture. So you are correct.

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. (Mt 24:14)

And now that the Bible has been translated into almost every known language, the reason and the purpose for the gift of tongues does not exist. As Paul said "Are there tongues, THEY SHALL CEASE".
 

Dino246

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There are no observable signs with the kingdom of God, everything happens within the hearts of believers. There's no outward healing or worship or praising or tongues.
I guess Paul, Peter, and James were teaching error then... or you are.
 

Noose

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While you may claim not to be teaching, "cautioning" and "trying to reason" fall into that category.

To your closing sentence: did Jesus do anything that could be classified as "observable"? Yes, of course He did. You have misinterpreted that principle. You seem to believe that any observable sign must therefore not be of God. That is both logically unsound and factually incorrect. Jesus said, "The coming of the kingdom of God is not something that can be observed" in Luke 17:20 but He did not say that there would be no visible evidence of it. It is the kingdom itself which is not visible. The word "signs" is not in that verse, and I have been unable to find another similar to it.
Did Jesus do any observable thing? Yes. Did the disciples and Apostles do any observable thing? Yes they did.
What you fail to understand is the times and seasons where these observable things are being done. Daniel has a calendar for you, you need to go back and understand from Daniel's prophesy when these things were meant to happen- even Jesus refers you back to Daniel.

this is the thing- Signs and wonders and any observable thing was to happen as long as the antichrist was not in the scene. Even at the times of the disciples, the antichrist was held back so that the gospel could be preached all over the world with signs and wonders, but as soon as they were done with their mandate, we entered another season called the end times. the antichrist comes with his set of fake signs and wonders and this is where the new covenant took effect. And the precise time was:

Rev 14:
12This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.

13Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.”

“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them.”

It took effect precisely when the angel spoke those words.
 

PS

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Did Jesus do any observable thing? Yes. Did the disciples and Apostles do any observable thing? Yes they did.
What you fail to understand is the times and seasons where these observable things are being done. Daniel has a calendar for you, you need to go back and understand from Daniel's prophesy when these things were meant to happen- even Jesus refers you back to Daniel.

this is the thing- Signs and wonders and any observable thing was to happen as long as the antichrist was not in the scene. Even at the times of the disciples, the antichrist was held back so that the gospel could be preached all over the world with signs and wonders, but as soon as they were done with their mandate, we entered another season called the end times. the antichrist comes with his set of fake signs and wonders and this is where the new covenant took effect. And the precise time was:

Rev 14:
12This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.

13Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.”

“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them.”

It took effect precisely when the angel spoke those words.
I'm finished.
 

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Jer 31:
33“This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel
after that time,” declares the Lord.
“I will put my law in their minds
and write it on their hearts.
I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
34No longer will they teach their neighbor,
or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’
because they will all know me,
from the least of them to the greatest
,”

So are we in the new covenant or not or will there be another covenant?

The verses you quoted from Jeremiah has not happened yet. This will be a new covenant that the Lord will establish after His return to earth. It will be very visible.

Jer. 31:10, 11
"Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock. For the LORD hath redeemed Jacob, and ransomed him from the hand of him that was stronger than he."

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Noose

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So basically you are saying only first century Jews will enter the kingdom of heaven?
Nope.

Eph 2:19 Therefore you are no longer strangers and foreigners, but fellow citizens of the saints and members of God’s household, 20built on thefoundation of the apostles and prophets, with Christ Jesus Himself as the cornerstone. 21In Him the whole building is fitted together and grows into a holy temple in the Lord.

The kingdom is being built and until the last person is added, then the end shall come.
 

Noose

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The verses you quoted from Jeremiah has not happened yet. This will be a new covenant that the Lord will establish after His return to earth. It will be very visible.

Jer. 31:10, 11 "Hear the word of the LORD, O ye nations, and declare it in the isles afar off, and say, He that scattered Israel will gather him, and keep him, as a shepherd doth his flock. For the LORD hath redeemed Jacob, and ransomed him from the hand of him that was stronger than he."

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The explanation is here.

Heb 10:
1The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves. For this reason it can never, by the same sacrifices repeated endlessly year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship. 2Otherwise, would they not have stopped being offered? For the worshipers would have been cleansed once for all, and would no longer have felt guilty for their sins. 3But those sacrifices are an annual reminder of sins. 4It is impossible for the blood of bulls and goats to take away sins.

5Therefore, when Christ came into the world, he said:

“Sacrifice and offering you did not desire,
but a body you prepared for me;
6with burnt offerings and sin offerings
you were not pleased.
7Then I said, ‘Here I am—it is written about me in the scroll—
I have come to do your will, my God.’ ”a
8First he said, “Sacrifices and offerings, burnt offerings and sin offerings you did not desire, nor were you pleased with them”—though they were offered in accordance with the law. 9Then he said, “Here I am, I have come to do your will.” He sets aside the first to establish the second. 10And by that will, we have been made holy through the sacrifice of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

11Day after day every priest stands and performs his religious duties; again and again he offers the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12But when this priest had offered for all time one sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13and since that time he waits for his enemies to be made his footstool. 14For by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy.

15The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:

16“This is the covenant I will make with them
after that time, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their hearts,
and I will write them on their minds.”b
17Then he adds:

“Their sins and lawless acts
I will remember no more.”c
18And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.

A Call to Persevere in Faith

19Therefore, brothers and sisters, since we have confidence to enter the Most Holy Place by the blood of Jesus, 20by a new and living way opened for us through the curtain, that is, his body, 21and since we have a great priest over the house of God, 22let us draw near to God with a sincere heart and with the full assurance that faith brings, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water. 23Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful.24And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds, 25not giving up meeting together, as some are in the habit of doing, but encouraging one another—and all the more as you see the Day approaching.

26If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.28Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.29How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace? 30For we know him who said, “It is mine to avenge; I will repay,”d and again, “The Lord will judge his people.”e 31It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

32Remember those earlier days after you had received the light, when you endured in a great conflict full of suffering. 33Sometimes you were publicly exposed to insult and persecution; at other times you stood side by side with those who were so treated. 34You suffered along with those in prison and joyfully accepted the confiscation of your property, because you knew that you yourselves had better and lasting possessions.35So do not throw away your confidence; it will be richly rewarded.

36You need to persevere so that when you have done the will of God, you will receive what he has promised. 37For,

“In just a little while,
he who is coming will come
and will not delay.”f
38And,

“But my righteousg one will live by faith.
And I take no pleasure
in the one who shrinks back.”h
39But we do not belong to those who shrink back and are destroyed, but to those who have faith and are saved.
 

Deade

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Did Jesus do any observable thing? Yes. Did the disciples and Apostles do any observable thing? Yes they did.
What you fail to understand is the times and seasons where these observable things are being done. Daniel has a calendar for you, you need to go back and understand from Daniel's prophesy when these things were meant to happen- even Jesus refers you back to Daniel.

this is the thing- Signs and wonders and any observable thing was to happen as long as the antichrist was not in the scene. Even at the times of the disciples, the antichrist was held back so that the gospel could be preached all over the world with signs and wonders, but as soon as they were done with their mandate, we entered another season called the end times. the antichrist comes with his set of fake signs and wonders and this is where the new covenant took effect. And the precise time was:

Rev 14:
12This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.

13Then I heard a voice from heaven say, “Write this: Blessed are the dead who die in the Lord from now on.”

“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labor, for their deeds will follow them.”

It took effect precisely when the angel spoke those words.
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calibob

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chanting is a form of brainwashing and often used to disengage the thought process from logical form of thought and make those who practice it suceptible to hypnotic influence. Zen Buddists, Hare Krishnas Moonies and many other cults have been very sucessful using this technique.. It is not of God.
i've studied cultism, i never intended to to hint that you are the member fo a cult or any thing like that.