Speaking in tongues

[Dino246]

Those are not sign gifts and they must remain and continue until the Rapture. So you are correct.

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. (Mt 24:14)

And now that the Bible has been translated into almost every known language, the reason and the purpose for the gift of tongues does not exist. As Paul said "Are there tongues, THEY SHALL CEASE".

It's easy to sound correct when you take a bit of Scripture out of context. When put back in context, your interpretation fails. Here is the complete verse:

"Love never fails but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away."

When knowledge is done away, then prophecy and tongues will be done away at the same time. I'm sure you "know" this already....

 

[Dino246]

this is the thing- Signs and wonders and any observable thing was to happen as long as the antichrist was not in the scene. Even at the times of the disciples, the antichrist was held back so that the gospel could be preached all over the world with signs and wonders, but as soon as they were done with their mandate, we entered another season called the end times. the antichrist comes with his set of fake signs and wonders and this is where the new covenant took effect. And the precise time was:

Peter disagrees with you: "For He was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you who through Him are believers in God...." (1 Peter 1:20-21a). Other translations say, "end times" or "end of times". This is the source of the term.

 

[Noose]

It's easy to sound correct when you take a bit of Scripture out of context. When put back in context, your interpretation fails. Here is the complete verse:

"Love never fails but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away."

When knowledge is done away, then prophecy and tongues will be done away at the same time. I'm sure you "know" this already....

Coz you didn't understand what it means 'knowledge being done away'- it doesn't mean there will be no knowledge and that stupidity will reign. It means seeking of knowledge ceases when the perfect (love) comes. The Holy spirit imparts the knowledge that we seek.
remember what i told you "..in that day, you shall not ask me anything.."

 

[Noose]

Peter disagrees with you: "For He was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you who through Him are believers in God...." (1 Peter 1:20-21a). Other translations say, "end times" or "end of times". This is the source of the term.

I get what you are trying to say. The end times are now, Jesus and disciples times were just to usher the end times. Jesus was introduced then but He is revealed to us now )end times)

John 16:13However, when the Spirit of truth comes, He will guide you into all truth. For He will not speak on His own, but He will speak what He hears, and He will declare to you what is to come.14He will glorify Me by taking from what is Mine and disclosing it to you.

Appears means disclosed

 

[Dino246]

Coz you didn't understand what it means 'knowledge being done away'- it doesn't mean there will be no knowledge and that stupidity will reign. It means seeking of knowledge ceases when the perfect (love) comes. The Holy spirit imparts the knowledge that we seek.
remember what i told you "..in that day, you shall not ask me anything.."

Using phrases like, "remember what I told you" indicates clearly that you are trying to teach, so your earlier denial of this rings hollow.
It's also rather arrogant, considering that I have nowhere agreed to be taught by you, nor have I accepted your overall position as valid. It's one thing to point to Scripture, and another to expect that people accept as true, sound, and valid your interpretation of Scripture.

 

[Noose]

Peter disagrees with you: "For He was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you who through Him are believers in God...." (1 Peter 1:20-21a). Other translations say, "end times" or "end of times". This is the source of the term.

Jesus said:

Matt 24: 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

Read Acts and see how the gospel was preached to all the nations - so we are in the end times, no dispute.
The two witnesses are given authority, during their time of witnessing, nothing touches them- Read how Paul and Peter escaped from prison several times (miraculously). But when they finished their witnessing, they were bound and died.

 

[Noose]

Using phrases like, "remember what I told you" indicates clearly that you are trying to teach, so your earlier denial of this rings hollow.
It's also rather arrogant, considering that I have nowhere agreed to be taught by you, nor have I accepted your overall position as valid. It's one thing to point to Scripture, and another to expect that people accept as true, sound, and valid your interpretation of Scripture.

Ok, don't remember.
I repeat, even if i teach, it will fall on deaf ears.

Isa 42:
18“Hear, you deaf;

look, you blind, and see!

19Who is blind but my servant,

and deaf like the messenger I send?

Who is blind like the one in covenant with me,

blind like the servant of the Lord?

20You have seen many things, but you pay no attention;

your ears are open, but you do not listen.”

21It pleased the Lord

for the sake of his righteousness

to make his law great and glorious.

 

[Dino246]

Ok, don't remember.

I made no claim regarding my remembering, so your comment is nothing but irrelevant snark. I would, however, encourage you to do some learning on the subject of logical fallacies, so that you don't employ them.

 

[Noose]

I made no claim regarding my remembering, so your comment is nothing but irrelevant snark. I would, however, encourage you to do some learning on the subject of logical fallacies, so that you don't employ them.

I don't need that.

 

[garee]

It's easy to sound correct when you take a bit of Scripture out of context. When put back in context, your interpretation fails. Here is the complete verse:

"Love never fails but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away."

When knowledge is done away, then prophecy and tongues will be done away at the same time. I'm sure you "know" this already....

Tongues is God bring new prophecy or revelations in other language other that Hebrew alone as knowledge from God Because God is no longer bringing new revelations as of the last book of prophecy no new knowledge is to be expected .We have the perfect book of His knowledge. Why go above that which is written.

 

[Dino246]

I don't need that.

Something about deaf ears....

 

[OstrichSmiling]

 

[garee]

I guess Paul, Peter, and James were teaching error then... or you are.

Where do you see Paul, Peter, and James using the idea of a "sign gift" rather than walking by faith, the unseen?

The word sign and gift used to describe something called Charismaticism that some say we are required to seek after in order to confirm something simply is not to be found in the book of Prophecy (Bible)

 

[Dino246]

Tongues is God bring new prophecy or revelations in other language other that Hebrew alone as knowledge from God Because God is no longer bringing new revelations as of the last book of prophecy no new knowledge is to be expected .We have the perfect book of His knowledge. Why go above that which is written.

You keep asserting this... and I keep telling you it is not correct according to Scripture. Did the disciples bring "new prophecy or revelations" in Acts 2? No. Did the new believers bring "new prophecy or revelations" in Acts 10? No. Does Paul equate tongues with prophecy in 1 Corinthians? No. Did those who prophesy always do so with other tongues? No. Is there a statement anywhere in Scripture that tongues is "bringing prophecy or revelations"? No. While prophecy and tongues are related, they are not the same thing.

 

[Dino246]

Where do you see Paul, Peter, and James using the idea of a "sign gift" rather than walking by faith, the unseen?

The word sign and gift used to describe something called Charismaticism that some say we are required to seek after in order to confirm something simply is not to be found in the book of Prophecy (Bible)

Nowhere have I claimed that Paul, Peter and James were "using the idea of a "sign gift" rather than walking by faith, the unseen".

This is the post to which I responded: "There are no observable signs with the kingdom of God, everything happens within the hearts of believers. There's no outward healing or worship or praising or tongues. "

Paul Peter, and James all experienced and/or wrote about outward signs such as healing, tongues and miracles. If there are no such outward manifestations, then all three are liars and false teachers. Clearly we don't believe that, so the other person's post is erroneous.

It's a good idea to follow the logic and context behind a posting, rather than assume that someone is saying something that they aren't.

 

[Deade]

Let's not forget that Paul refers to preaching as prophesying. So you are making a big deal out of nothing.

1Co 14:1 Follow after G1377 charity, G26 and G1161 desire G2206 spiritual G4152 gifts, but G1161 rather G3123 that G2443 ye may prophesy. G4395

prophesy = G4395
προφητεύω
prophēteuō
prof-ate-yoo'-o
From G4396; to foretell events, divine, speak under inspiration, exercise the prophetic office: - prophesy.

 

[garee]

Nowhere have I claimed that Paul, Peter and James were "using the idea of a "sign gift" rather than walking by faith, the unseen".

This is the post to which I responded: "There are no observable signs with the kingdom of God, everything happens within the hearts of believers. There's no outward healing or worship or praising or tongues. "

Paul Peter, and James all experienced and/or wrote about outward signs such as healing, tongues and miracles. If there are no such outward manifestations, then all three are liars and false teachers. Clearly we don't believe that, so the other person's post is erroneous.

It's a good idea to follow the logic and context behind a posting, rather than assume that someone is saying something that they aren't.

Those temporal healing were used as parables to represent the eternal gospel . Temporal healing were a person could die a day later is not part of the gospel .

 

[Dino246]

Those temporal healing were used as parables to represent the eternal gospel . Temporal healing were a person could die a day later is not part of the gospel .

Please provide Scripture to support your assertion.

James 5:13-16 contradicts your position; nothing is said there in or about parables. James is writing about literal, physical healing for believers.

 

[theanointedsinner]

Let's see here, this all important topic is about squeaking in tongue

I'll come back for um, ... inspiration

 

[Dino246]

Let's not forget that Paul refers to preaching as prophesying. So you are making a big deal out of nothing.

1Co 14:1 Follow after G1377 charity, G26 and G1161 desire G2206 spiritual G4152 gifts, but G1161 rather G3123 that G2443 ye may prophesy. G4395

prophesy = G4395
προφητεύω
prophēteuō
prof-ate-yoo'-o
From G4396; to foretell events, divine, speak under inspiration, exercise the prophetic office: - prophesy.

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I don't see the connection you are seeing. Perhaps you could unpack a bit more thoroughly?