Eve's Purpose

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Had Deborah and Barack been married, the terms of their association would
have been very different.

● Gen 3:16 . . Your desire shall be for your husband, and he shall rule over
you.

FYI: Deborah didn't lead Barack into war, rather; she accompanied him.

BTW: I've heard preachers insinuate that Barack was timid; but had he
been, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't have gone into combat under any
circumstances, with or without a prophet in the ranks; especially in those
days when desperate men fought to the death hand to hand like gladiators
rather than at a distance with bullets and canons.


Ahab's wife didn't rule him; she advised him; which, according to Gen 2:18, is
okay for wives to do.
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Once again, this is an unsupportable interpretation of Genesis 3:16. It is a statement of consequence, not a command.

i remember a very different Jezebel.

advice, eh

i would advise against thinking of Ahab and Jezebel as an exemplary Biblical marriage

Before sin was committed Adam had it as easy as it ever going to get for a man. God did not create Eve to be a crutch of Adam to lean on, and this is true for any marriage. I agree with the last sentence though and also the part about a woman playing a supporting role.

There are times when apparently you can't teach an old dog new tricks.

God who has no form always does whatsoever his soul desires. He has no fear of being alone . The Father and Son, two attributes of God, can relate with one another. Man before the fall as that seen relates with the world seen and God not seen . Mankind, one creation was divided so both could relate with the other in perfect harmony and submission . Mankind fell and lost the invisible relationship it had before choosing to do the pleasure of the will of another.

Men and woman are still considered one creation . Man having a greater position than the woman but not greater person or authroty .

Like the Son of God and the father, both work together in perfect harmony and submission to one another, to bring the peace of God which surpasses all human understanding

I told my wife once..... Who are you to tell ME what my role izzzzz???” Lol.

She did not laugh and said: its only funny when two people are laughing. And then quietly she said :"that's once".

There was this journalist who was to do a story on the staying power of a marriage and was sent to a house where the man and woman just finishedcelebrating their 75th anniversary. He asked the gentleman... how did you stay with one woman all those years, What's the key?

He went on to say it all started on the honeymoon my wife and I decided to take the lower Grand Canyon trip. A three-day adventure on donkeys with the goal of staying in a cabin for a week and then returning. On the first day my wives donkey who must have been near sighted stepped into a hole in the ground causing her to nearly fall off. She said to the donkey quietly. That's once. The next day the same thing happened and My wife quietly said this time: that’s' twice. On the last day with the Cabin in sight the donkey repeated. This time my wife got off the donkey, went into the saddle bag and took out a revolver and shot the donkey.
I said to her; what the heck are you doing you can't go around shooting animals... do you need a psychiatrist?

She turned and said to me: that's once

This (bolded) is an interesting question. If you read Genesis 1 as a summary, and Genesis 2 as a detailed explanation, the conflict is resolved. I believe it was always God's intention to fashion Eve; He just chose to delay the act until Adam recognized the need.

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There's a pretty good parallel to that in Joseph's story. (Gen 41:40-42)

He not only became Pharaoh's advisor, but was also loaned Pharaoh's ring; which in those days effected a unique signature when pressed into wax or clay. However, though the ring gave Joseph the power to conduct royal business, it did not give Joseph the power to conduct royal business in his own name.

Same with Jezebel. She used her husband's ring to conduct royal business in his name rather than her own. In other words: her status was not equal to king Ahab's; she wasn't a co-ruler of the northern kingdom any more than Joseph was a co-ruler of Egypt.
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Help mate is correct. But we are all called to build each other up- whether male or female, young or old. Yes even a child can build others up instead of tear them down. How shameful for a wife to tear down her husband! She must not be very feminine, because a real woman desires to make her husband happy, not miserable. God put that desire in her, just as He put the desire in a man (masculine man) to provide for and protect his family- it is called the male ego.

Do you base this affirmation on an understanding of Hebrew or on something else?

Genesis 218
Genesis 2:18

LOL. I would have said, "Have fun walking out. CYA"

Based on HALOT, BDB and Gesenius, the sense of נֶגֶד seems to be face-to-face or side-to-side.

Jezebel ruled over Ahab such that she was used to symbolize the flesh ruling over the church in Revelation 2:20. She did what seductresses do - seduce men to do what they want.

My husband used to say "My wife only made one mistake and that was when she did what I told her to do"

ha-ha

it's nice of you to interact with us and reply and stuff.

but i think the real pressing issue is you believing Adam's life with God in paradise on earth "wasn't worth living" . . . ?

we should be careful not to end up blaspheming by leaving scripture behind in order to follow an agenda of writing applicational sermons.
there's something extraordinarily profound going on the text that is getting ignored.