Christian holidays vs Biblical holidays

please notice who it is that makes the heart to know, the eye to see, and the ear to hear.

what is the sign, then, that He is giving us, when He bade Israel to do a work that only He Himself can perform?


He it is that sanctifies.
not you.
not me.

Uzzah was struck dead immediately.

I have said this many times. studyman has said in the past that " the translations have been corrupted ". I have asked him multiple times to provide a source of uncorrupted translations ( by the reasoning that since he is saying that they were corrupted , and he says that the law is in parts, he must have an translation that says so, because the greek uses a singular word.)
unless I overlooked it, he has yet to do so...…...

Is it not obvious which of the commandments/laws were temporal and could not save us ? see Heb 9 (v10 specifically.)
When scripture talks of the law in singular it does not automatically include all and every law ever given...no Sir, sometimes it speaks of them separately but still refers to only one section of it, either spiritual OR works. But since most christians make no difference in the law and class them all 'as one' there obviously result serious mistakes in even abolishing the eternal Commands which are holy, just and good.

As it says in Rom 7, the law is spiritual and holy - it is obviously speaking of the 10 Commandments as ONE LAW....and being separate from the 'works of the law' it can not be contaminated. That is why we are told to 'put difference between holy and unholy Lev10v10.
Also when James speaks of keeping the 'whole law' he is only referring to the 10 Commands as one whole law as can be seen from v 11...for no other laws or works are mentioned or included. So...the clean and the unclean, or holy and unholy are not all of the same lump, so have a different function.
I know you don't believe in splitting the law BUT GOD HAS DONE IT !

27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

Your unbelief doesn't make the Word of God Void.

I asked you to explain or back up your claim that I said the Bible is corrupt. I don't believe such a thing and I'm quite sure I never said it. If you would be decent enough to provide me with some proof of your accusation, it seems that is the very least a "Christian" would do.

But it's your religion, you worship however you want.

Beautiful Beta, and Hebrews 7 explains what Law was not perfect and replaced by our Great High Priest. The definition of sin has not changed as the Word which became Flesh has said. But the manner is which these sins are being forgiven has changed as HE Promised in the Law and Prophets.

wow, which Law was able to save?

do you call any of the Law which does not save "unholy" and "carnal" ?

no law can save us, Beta.
if you think any of it can then you are at odds with what the Book says.

and you think Leviticus 10:10 is referring to splitting God's Law into unholy parts and holy parts???

fess up then, if you really believe it's the truth: tell us which part of God's Law is "unholy" and "carnal" -- your own words you use to describe it!

you think part of the Law is profane? tell us which part!

how about you read verse 9 and verse 11 and see if your heresy still stands the test?

this says teach them all the decrees the LORD gave !!
it doesn't say, like you say, that some of the decrees are evil and profane and carnal!
it is not teaching that the Law is partially unholy!

you're a real piece of work, theologically.
and studydude thinks this rubbish is beautiful?
daily proving ignorance and confusion and lack of understanding!


i think you two are drunk!
what a bunch of absolute rot, all for the sake of what?
certainly not for the gospel of Christ crucified and risen!

absolutely false!!

i've told you 15 times personally; why do you keep repeating this lie?


"do not show favoritism" is in Leviticus 19 -- not one of the 10 commandments you worship and seem to think are able to save you!

what is verse 1 of James 2, Beta?

go back to post # 430 of this thread. I showed you your words.

The Bible does not teach us to reject His Sabbath, or any of His Words. The Serpent uses parts of God's Word to convince us to reject His instructions. That God created Laws which are not in our best interest, that God is an unjust God creating Laws to difficult to follow, then killed many who didn't follow it. But the Word which became Flesh never said to reject His Commandments, any of them.

Abraham knew Jesus when He came, Zechariahs knew Jesus when He came. The Wise men knew Jesus when He came.

But The Pharisees didn't. Paul, the perfect Pharisees didn't. . Why was this? I must go by what Jesus says, not men who create their own righteousness.

John 14:
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. (Like Abraham and Zechariahs)
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;

17 Even the Spirit of truth; (Like Abraham and Zechariahs had) whom the (religions of the ) world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

and again;

21 He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him. (Like He did for Abraham and Zechariahs)

God has already told us and shown us how to receive the understanding and why. All we have to do is "Believe in Him", and let Him guide our footsteps.

But as it is written; "But They said "We will not walk therein".

James 2:
1 My brethren, have not the faith of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Lord of glory, with respect of persons.
2 For if there come unto your assembly a man with a gold ring, in goodly apparel, and there come in also a poor man in vile raiment;

3 And ye have respect to him that weareth the gay clothing, and say unto him, Sit thou here in a good place; and say to the poor, Stand thou there, or sit here under my footstool:

4 Are ye not then partial in yourselves, and are become judges of evil thoughts?

5 Hearken, my beloved brethren, Hath not God chosen the poor of this world rich in faith, and heirs of the kingdom which he hath promised to them that love him?

6 But ye have despised the poor. Do not rich men oppress you, and draw you before the judgment seats?

7 Do not they blaspheme that worthy name by the which ye are called?

8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:

9 But if ye have respect to persons, ye commit sin, and are convinced of the law as transgressors.

10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.

What good is a person who doesn't kill others, but steals from them? Is he not still guilty?

In your religion, if I don't kill am I also obligated to keep God's Law that says not to steal? Or can you pick and choose which laws you have judged as worthy of your respect, and which laws you have judged as unworthy of your respect.

If I don't kill, and don't steal, but show partiality to others and become a respecter of persons, using my judgments and not God's, am I not also just as guilty as if I had stolen from them?

Even in our society there are Laws. Can you pick and choose which Laws you want to follow and break the rest without punishment?

What good are instructions if you only follow the ones that you like and reject the rest.

I think James is just making a very simple point about reality. Makes perfect sense to me.

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

Don't be partial in yourself, don't judge God's Laws, walk in them.

But for those who Transgress God's Commandments by their own Traditions, I can see where this reasoning would by a problem.

I agree that we ought not to defile the Sabbath or any other day by doing our own work on it, working to earn money to spend it on our own lusts. working to earn money in excess of what we need for our necessities.


Cry thou (out), cease thou not; as a trump enhance thy voice (lift up thy voice like a trumpet), and show thou to my people their great trespasses, and to the house of Jacob their sins.



2 For they seek me from day into day, and they will (to) know my ways; as a folk, that hath done rightfulness, and that hath not forsaken the doom of their God; they pray (to) me (for the) dooms of rightfulness, and theywill (to) nigh to God. (For they seek me from day to day, and they say that they delight to know my ways; like a nation that truly hath done rightfully, and hath not deserted the justice of their God; they pray to me for judgements of righteousness/they pray to me for laws that be just, or that be right, and they say that they delight to come near, or close, to God.)



3 Why fasted we, and thou beheldest not; we meeked our souls, and thou knewest not? Lo! your will is found in the day of your fasting, and ye ask all your debtors. (But they also say, Why did we fast, if thou beheldest not? why did we meek, or humble, our souls, if thou knewest not? And I replieth, Lo! ye pursue your own desires on the day of your fast, and ye oppress all your workers.)



4 Lo! ye fast to chidings and strivings, and smite with the fist wickedly (Lo! your fasting leadeth only to chiding and to arguments, and to wickedly striking with the fist). Do not ye fast, as ye have unto this day, (so) that your cry (can once again) be heard on high.



5 Whether such is the fasting which I choose, a man to torment his soul by (a) day? whether to bind his head as a circle, and to make ready a sackcloth and ashes (to lie upon)? Whether thou shalt call this a fasting, and a day acceptable to the Lord? (Is that the fast which I would choose, yea, a day for a person to torment his soul? to bow down his head like a bulrush, and to prepare sackcloth and ashes to lie upon? Shalt thou call this a fast, and an acceptable day to the Lord?)



6 Whether not this is more the fasting, which I choose? Unbind thou the bindings together of unpity, either of cruelty, release thou [the] burdens pressing down; deliver thou them free, that be broken, and break thou each burden. (Rather, is not this the fast, which I would choose? To unbind the bindings up of pitilessness, or of cruelty, to release the burdens of oppression, to set free those who be broken, and to break each burden.)



7 Break thy bread to the hungry man, and bring into thine house needy men and harbourless; when thou seest a naked man, cover thou him, and despise not thy flesh, that is, brother or sister. (Yea, break thy bread with the hungry, and bring into thy house the needy and the harbourless, that is, the homeless; when thou seest a naked person, cover thou him, and despise not thy flesh, that is, thy own brother, or thy own sister.)



8 Then thy light shall break out as the morrowtide, and thine health shall rise full soon; and thy rightfulness shall go before thy face, and the glory of the Lord shall gather thee to rest. (Then thy light shall break out like the dawn, and thy healing shall come quickly; and thy righteousness shall go before thee, and the glory of the Lord shall protect thee.)

yes, Jesus gave instructions about giving to the poor, and it's very important to follow them. it is also true that Paul collected money from the Corinthians to give to people in the church in Jerusalem. so I think that giving money to a missionary who says she is going to use it to buy Bibles for poor people in Haiti is an acceptable practice. if it's of any interest, lest anyone to think I'm boasting about this, I didn't give her any money in the end anyways.


But when this perishable body will have become imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then what is written will happen: “Death is swallowed up in victory.”[g]



55 “Death, where is your sting?
Hades,[h] where is your victory?”[i]



56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law. 57 But thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. 58 Therefore, my beloved brothers, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the Lord’s work, because you know that your labor is not in vain in the Lord.

Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I commanded the assemblies of Galatia, you do likewise. 2 On the first day of the week, let each one of you save, as he may prosper, that no collections be made when I come. 3 When I arrive, I will send whoever you approve with letters to carry your gracious gift to Jerusalem. 4 If it is appropriate for me to go also, they will go with me. 5 But I will come to you when I have passed through Macedonia, for I am passing through Macedonia. 6 But with you it may be that I will stay, or even winter, that you may send me on my journey wherever I go. 7 For I do not wish to see you now in passing, but I hope to stay a while with you, if the Lord permits. 8 But I will stay at Ephesus until Pentecost, 9 for a great and effective door has opened to me, and there are many adversaries. 10 Now if Timothy comes, see that he is with you without fear, for he does the work of the Lord, as I also do. 11 Therefore let no one despise him. But set him forward on his journey in peace, that he may come to me; for I expect him with the brothers.


It is indeed unnecessary for me to write to you concerning the service to the saints, 2 for I know your readiness, of which I boast on your behalf to them of Macedonia, that Achaia has been prepared for a year past. Your zeal has stirred up very many of them. 3 But I have sent the brothers that our boasting on your behalf may not be in vain in this respect, that, just as I said, you may be prepared, 4 so that I won’t by any means, if anyone from Macedonia comes there with me and finds you unprepared, we (to say nothing of you) should be disappointed in this confident boasting. 5 I thought it necessary therefore to entreat the brothers that they would go before to you, and arrange ahead of time the generous gift that you promised before, that the same might be ready as a matter of generosity, and not of greediness. 6 Remember this: he who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly. He who sows bountifully will also reap bountifully. 7 Let each man give according as he has determined in his heart; not grudgingly, or under compulsion; for God loves a cheerful giver.


God wants us to give joyfully. if a person has two shirts is it a good idea to get one of those to another person who doesn't have any shirt?


And God is able to make all grace abound to you, that you, always having all sufficiency in everything, may abound to every good work. 9 As it is written,



“He has scattered abroad, he has given to the poor.
His righteousness remains forever.”[a]



10 Now may he who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food, supply and multiply your seed for sowing, and increase the fruits of your righteousness; 11 you being enriched in everything to all liberality, which produces through us thanksgiving to God. 12 For this service of giving that you perform not only makes up for lack among the saints, but abounds also through many givings of thanks to God; 13 seeing that through the proof given by this service, they glorify God for the obedience of your confession to the Good News of Christ, and for the liberality of your contribution to them and to all; 14 while they themselves also, with supplication on your behalf, yearn for you by reason of the exceeding grace of God in you. 15 Now thanks be to God for his unspeakable gift!

" the first preachers that the Word became flesh assigned corrupted the interperation..

I have given my source for this understanding many times, but I'll give it again if it will help.

Jer. 14:
13 Then said I, Ah, Lord GOD! behold, the prophets say unto them, Ye shall not see the sword, neither shall ye have famine; but I will give you assured peace in this place. (sounds like saying "Don't worry, you are saved)
14 Then the LORD said unto me, The prophets prophesy lies in my name: I sent them not, neither have I commanded them, neither spake unto them: they prophesy unto you a false vision and divination, and a thing of nought, and the deceit of their heart.

Jer. 5:
30 A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land;
31 The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?

Matt. 15:
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

Matt. 23:4 For they (Not God) bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.

Is. 10:
8 Now go, write it before them in a table, and note it in a book, that it may be for the time to come for ever and ever:
9 That this is a rebellious people, lying children, children that will not hear the law of the LORD:

10 Which say to the seers, See not; and to the prophets, Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:

Jer. 23:
16 Thus saith the LORD of hosts, Hearken not unto the words of the prophets that prophesy unto you: they make you vain: they speak a vision of their own heart, and not out of the mouth of the LORD.
17 They say still unto them that despise me, The LORD hath said, Ye shall have peace; and they say unto every one that walketh after the imagination of his own heart, No evil shall come upon you.

Jer. 29:
8 For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Let not your prophets and your diviners, that be in the midst of you, deceive you, neither hearken to your dreams which ye cause to be dreamed.
9 For they prophesy falsely unto you in my name: I have not sent them, saith the LORD.


God created a Priesthood, called the Levitical Priesthood in Hebrews. The Priests were in charge of the administration of God's Word.


Heb. 7:11 If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?

These Priests corrupted God's Word and taught doctrines, not from the Spirit of God, but from their own deceitful heart. Doctrines created from the "Commandments of Men" not God.

Heb. 8:
7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.
8 For finding fault with them,( Priests who Prophesy lies in His Name) he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah:

No more Fleshy Priests to corrupt the interpretation, God will write His Laws directly on the hearts of His People. A New and Better Way.

I have pointed out this Biblical fact many times to you, but your religion forbids you to accept it.

So my statement "" the first preachers that the Word became flesh assigned (Levite Priests) corrupted the interpretation.." is true if the Bible is your source. I posted several scriptures from the OT and the NT which clearly show my understanding to be correct. So all your accusations, all your nasty little cracks to others are all just lies. Exposed by the Word of God just like the Word exposed the Mainstream Preachers of His Time for telling lies about Him. Same religion, just different name.

The Priests truly did "corrupt the interpretation". Not because I say so, but because the Word, which became Flesh says so as the scriptures I posted above prove.

I don't care about your insults and lies about me, I am nothing but a maggot turd.

But I do care about the Word. And the Word teaches that the Priest's corrupted God's Word. Your unbelief in the Word does not make this truth a lie.

in Jerimiah , God was telling the people through the Prophet that Israel was gong to be taken captive by Babylon , and the priests were saying that it was not going to happen. nothing to do with the Law of Moses.

by this time, the people of Israel had mixed idolatry with the Torah , and were worshiping other Gods. the Law was still the Law. the people had turned from it, lead by the kings, who put their own priests in charge, and many times were not even using the Temple.

so, no, the Law was not corrupted. the people who God gave it to were not following it, and in fact following other gods.

the Law was given to Israel only. they turned from God to idols. they threw the Law out, because they threw God out, then He threw them out of the land He gave them.



so, the chapter 31 covenant has to do with bringing the nation back to the land. it was not for all the world. that would be the Abrahamic covenant. which we are under.

and by the way studyman, i'm sure you do not know this, so I will help you out- in John's opening discourse about the Word, he states that "the Word was God". the literal translation of this is " the Word was face to face with God".

so, just another fact to prove the truth of trinity against your and anyone else's lie of oneness.

"and the priests were saying that it was not going to happen" So if God says something is going to happen, and a Priest interprets this to mean something is not going to happen, did they not corrupt the interpretation of God's Word?

I didn't mention the Law of Moses, you did. But if God commands Moses to tell us "do not kill" and not only that, "but do not hate your brother". If God then assigns Priests to administer God's Word and they teach "do not kill" but refuse to teach "do not hate either" does this not corrupt the interpretation of God's Word?

Didn't God send Prophets to set their interpretation of the Word of God that they corrupted straight and they killed them? Didn't Jesus come to straighten out their interpretation of God's Words where killing and hating are concerned?

Matt. 15:
7 Ye hypocrites, well did Esaias prophesy of you, saying,
8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me.

9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. (Not God as you preach)


How is teaching for doctrine the commandments of men not corrupting God's law?