What must I do to be saved

and your new heart will hate the things of the world
even if your flesh still desires them

This is happening to me as we speak.
I am described as a people person who hates people.
( In the words of someone that was almost famous "That don't make no sense")

lol

i dont understand you

but i think youre quoting my post

sorry if i was too vague

i should have said

"sinful pleasures of this world"

instead of "things" <- which i guess could include neighbors to some?

lol

please forgive me if i misunderstood what you are implying

You did misunderstand but your fine.

care to elaborate?

Doesn't John 3:18-21 answer that question?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Exactly. Jesus used these terms metaphorically to describe both Peter and Judas as people who were opposing God in their words or actions.



Unfortunately your opinion does not align with scripture.


Here are the biblical facts.


Judas followed Jesus because he was a believer, and demonstrated he was a believer by following Jesus, as a disciple for over three years, and was promoted to be an Apostle with the other 11.

Judas was empowered as an Apostle to preach the Gospel to the lost, and cast out devils, heal the sick, and raise the dead, along with the other Apostles.


And when He had called His twelve disciples to Him, He gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease. 2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these: first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; 3 Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; 4 Simon the Cananite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed Him.

5 These twelve Jesus sent out and commanded them, saying: “Do not go into the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter a city of the Samaritans.6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 7 And as you go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand.’ 8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out demons. Freely you have received, freely give. Matthew 10:1-8


Judas was appointed and destined to sit on one of the twelve thrones along with the other Apostles.


So Jesus said to them, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Matthew 19:28


This was spoken to the twelve, including Judas.


These scriptures teach us Judas was a disciple, then became an Apostle, who was destined to reign with Jesus and the other Apostles in the age to come.



Judas became a traitor.

Judas was a disciple, then an Apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ, who BECAME a traitor.


He was the one thing, the being tempted by the devil, he became a traitor.

• Judas Iscariot who also became a traitor.

13 And when it was day, He called His disciples to Himself; and from them He chose twelve whom He also named apostles: 14 Simon, whom He also named Peter, and Andrew his brother; James and John; Philip and Bartholomew; 15 Matthew and Thomas; James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon called the Zealot; 16 Judas the son of James, and Judas Iscariot who also became a traitor. Luke 6:13-16


Saul of Tarsus was an insolent man who persecuted the Church, an enemy of God, then BECAME an Apostle.


He was the one thing then BECAME the other.



All you have is your misguided opinion, with no scripture and are attempting to promote a false doctrine that says a person can live in sin, and never become lost.


God saw from the beginning that Judas would BECOME a traitor, and caused it to work together for the good of His children.



JPT

I agreed with your earlier post that said
Your new heart will hate the world but your flesh will desire it.

I stated that was happening to me now
I see the way the world is going. I dont want no pert of it any more.
I have found that my fles desires things. Alot like a methhed trying to clean up his act. It seems the harder i try. The further down the rabbit whole i go.
I am around people all the time. They like me. I get along with everybody. But there comes a point i have to cut them off i dont like being around them.

Someone else quoted that dont make any sense.
And there right it dont make sense.
Except the part where im still struggleing in the flesh.
Thats more addiction than my flesh desiring. Old habbits die hard.
Will talk more later.

God does not force us to believe or remain in unbelief. 2 Corinthians 4:3 - But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost. 4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

thank you for explaining

i can understand and relate to this

i agree that God does not force us

but i dont believe belief in itself is a choice

its more an indwelling response to information

like

i cannot choose to believe fire is cold given what i now know


i believe it is hot
and i could not choose to believe otherwise

but being faithful is a choice
having faith is an indwelling response to hearing the truth



God provides the way out (the call, the truth, the gift of salvation)

knowing who will and who wont find this path

i dont believe judas was forced to be in"unbelief" i believe God chose him knowing the end before judas was even born to fulfill scripture


but i do not believe judas didnt have the same opportunity as anyone else


its just God isnt surprised by our choices

and knew everything... always

No God didn't predestine them to reject the Gospel. He didn't give them the gift of faith which leads to salvation. Without the gift of faith, they see the Gospel as foolishness because it's a spiritual thing and they are carnal.

Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God (Romans 10:17). If it was not for the Father drawing us (John 6:44) and enabling us (John 6:65) nobody would come to Christ and believe in Him all by themselves and be saved (John 3:18). Judas had the same opportunity as the remaining 11 disciples to believe in Christ and be saved, but instead chose to reject Christ and remained in unbelief.

God does not hide His gospel. Gods gospel is a Light set upon a hill for all to behold. You as a witness for Christ are part of that Light for all to see Christ in you.

So the question becomes one of are they blinded before they rejected the gospel or as a result of rejecting the gospel. The Jews were blinded after they chose Barabbas over Jesus in Pilots judgment hall.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Jesus said if He were lifted up He would draw all unto Himself.

Joh 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

God does not hide His gospel, but it’s hid to those who don’t believe and remains hid until we respond to the light of the gospel. Those who love darkness rather than light do not respond (John 3:19).

Are you implying that it’s the same drawing and if that’s the case, then why doesn’t everyone come to Christ? Or is the implication that everyone is drawn, but not all respond?

Joh 1:9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.
21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

Answer is yes.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I am not able to choose to believe that mailmandan is not mailmandan
ok, we can choose to verbally lie, that's different,

now this is going into the debate between free will or predestination

here's a thought experiment
say you are sustained for all eternity

and you are staring at 2 doors
door A, or door B

no cause and effect influence your decision, even your preference for either right or left is evened out
if you choose one door over the other, why one door, and not the other?

remember, this is beyond naturalistic explanation here.