Speaking in tongues

First, I have addressed the "private interpretations" error repeatedly. 1 Peter 2:20 is NOT about privately interpreting Scripture.

Second, reasoning skills are completely distinct from understanding Scripture. Non-Christians can and do use reasoning skills, the same skills that Christians can and should use.

Third, I agree, the right understanding of spiritual things is available only to Christians by the Holy Spirit.

Fourth, the issue of "seeking signs as lying wonders" has been repeatedly addressed as well. You are off-base on this issue. Nobody here is advocating the "seeking of signs", so your repeated bleating about it is quite unnecessary.

Fourth, the issue of "seeking signs as lying wonders" has been repeatedly addressed as well. You are off-base on this issue. Nobody here is advocating the "seeking of signs", so your repeated bleating about it is quite unnecessary.

The reasoning skills by which we can know or hear God as he gives us ears to hear are as it is wriiten .No ned to go above that which is written .Differences come by f different approaches , Some would say parables are not scripture as prophecy .While some would say they are limited to the ones that use the word parable. I would say parables are the signified language of God that he uses to hide the spiritual understanding from one and conceal it to another . The parables below uses that in respect to a kingdom of priest which typifies all believers sent from a foreign land as Ambassadors of Christ with the gospel .

He gives the honor to those like the noble Bereans (Acts17:10-12) who search the scriptures daily to see if what they hear is

The parable reads...

Proverbs 25:2 It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honour of kings is to search out a matter.

Wherefore tongues are for a sign, "not to them that believe", but "to them that believe not": but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.1 Corinthians 14:22

It has been addressed yes but nothing concluded . If they are seeking what some call "sign gifts" (Charismaticism) needed to confirm the Holy Spirit is filling them( never full) . They would fall under the warning in respect to natural unconverted man (evil generation) .No such thing as sign gift. Signs are designed for those who rebel .Prophecy for those who believe God.

The reference was 2 Peter 1:20.

The sure word is God's interpretation or revelation called prophecy. Prophecy does not come by mans private interpretation as oral tradition of men. Every man has personal commentary of what they think the Holy Spirit is saying that could vary like fingerprints

We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.2 Peter 1:20

Its another reason why there must be heresies as men's opinions among us. God word, prophecy is law. The word heresy is the same word as sects or denominations. A group of men that carry the same kind of opinion.

For first of all, when ye come together in the church, I hear that there be divisions among you; and I partly believe it. For there must be also heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you.1Corinthians 11:18-20

The kingdom of God is not of this world or we would not need denominations .God's design .Most likely to prevent men killing each other. Like the Pharisees with Sadducees during the first century refomation, or Roman Catholic with the Orthodox sects who set aside there differences during the fifteenth century reformation.

There must be a division between the things of God and those of men .It's where the anti-christ (Satan) gets his foot in the door.

If we trusted Peter's private interpretation as a oral tradition of men we would in the end blaspheme the Holy name by which we are called. Peter was forgiven, but because the Son of man is no longer here we would be blaspheming the Holy Spirit, not forgivable

Peter's private interpretation below

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the "things that be of God", but "those that be of men" Mathew 16:22-23

Yes, 2 Peter 1:20. Typo on my part; my apology.

I understand what you are saying. However, that verse is still not forbidding Christians from interpreting Scripture; it is simply about the origin of the prophetic message.

Where two people read the same Scripture and come to differing conclusions, one is incorrect (or at least incomplete). The other may also be incorrect. Neither person can justifiably claim, "Private interpretation is not permitted therefore you are wrong."

my apologies i must have been mistaken.
what happened to shrume btw?

they are a oneness group they do not hold to the trinity

I did not suggest it forbid Christians from intreptreting scripture .Private interpretations are their own interpretation of what they think the scripture is teaching as we seek the approval of God according to his interpretation or revelation . We are not to seek the approval of men according to their private interpretation as a personal commentary. That kind of idea reveals the wile of the devil as the anti-Christ, another mediator other than Christ alone. Most likely the oral traditions of men called a law of the fathers that make prophecy God's word without effect

UPCs don't hold to the trinity because the trinity isn't biblical God is one not three

A brother once asked me..."do you believe in the manifestations of the Spirit?" I replied YES...love joy, peace. What he meant of course was the barking and clucking that is all the rage these days.

What of the spiritual gifts. Well tongues is the easiest gift to fake...so it's popularity will be consistent with that. Miracles? raising the dead? Well those gifts are really HARD to fake...so you don't see those as much!

Desire the gifts that edify others....desire the life and fruit of the Spirit. Let God decide which gifts are required in a given situation and stop looking at what YOU have...think of the Body.

After all do you really care WHO has a certain gift...as long as the Body has it? Why would you want a gift? It is to be given away.

A river doesn't drink it's own water. A tree doesn't eat it's own fruit. So likewise a gift is not for YOU. A gift is meant to give away. When we see gifts in this way then God will entrust us with many gifts...in order to build up His body.

You are welcome to start a new thread on that subject. This thread is about speaking in tongues.

UPCs don't hold to the trinity because the trinity isn't biblical God is one not three

Can someone explain to me the uniqueness of this gift of speaking in tongues which most congregations in my neighbourhood insist on acquiring? Is it in any way superior to or more edifying than other gifts?

I understand what you wrote, but it is about as convoluted as it can be.

Respectfully, perhaps in future you could write in plain English?

There is a more superior gift than speaking in tongues.

The gift of prophesy

1 Cor 14:39 Therefore, brethren, desire earnestly to prophesy, and do not forbid to speak with tongues.

The main reason behind it:

14:30 For you can all prophesy one by one, that all may learn and all may be encouraged.

If you can speak in tongue but there is no interpreter then just keep quiet as mentioned in 1 Cor 14:27-28.

With all respect to you .I enjoy the way you write.
Sorry my writing skills suffer . I dropped out of High school and always hated English until I became interested in spiritual matters .Hard to teach old dogs new tricks .Again sorry for he extra work.

Do you agree with the idea of sign gifts (Charismaticism) ?

UPCs don't hold to the trinity because the trinity isn't biblical God is one not three