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I agree with Preacher4Truth about most of the above. This is the kind of conjecture that happens when you consider the opening Chapters of Genesis to be a lie/myth, as well whenever you attempt to combine what the Bible teaches us about Creation on the one hand, with the various hypotheses that atheistic science has come up with as an alternative/to contradict what the Bible says about our origins on the other.
As for the wife of Cain, here is the explanation about that (remembering, of course, that familiar ties were necessarily close back then).
.........Genesis 5
.........1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day when God created man, He made him in the likeness of God.
.........2 He created them male and female, and He blessed them and named them Man in the day when they were created.
.........3 When Adam had lived one hundred and thirty years, he became the father of a son in his own likeness, according to
.........his image, and named him Seth*.
.........4 Then the days of Adam after he became the father of Seth were eight hundred years, and he had other sons and daughters.
.........5 So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years, and he died.
*(Our progenitors, no doubt, had other sons and daughters prior to Seth's birth, IOW, after Cain and Able were born)
As for Adam ~not~ being the first person, the Bible gives tells us a number of reasons that make such a thought pretty hard to believe (or prove). For instance:
.........Romans 5
.........12 ..Through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin....
.........17 ..By the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one....
.........18 ..Through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men....
I point to the part in bold above in particular, because if there actually were human beings living here for millions of years prior to the time of Adam, then the earth must have been become an awfully crowded place by the time he finally came along
~Deut
p.s. - the angels at the head and feet of Jesus in His tomb (as if He is the living Ark) is an interesting thought however (which is actually true of Him .. even though our Roman Catholic friends would have us believe that His mother, Mary, is the Ark instead).
.........1 Corinthians 15
.........45 ..So also it is written, “The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
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As for the wife of Cain, here is the explanation about that (remembering, of course, that familiar ties were necessarily close back then).
.........Genesis 5
.........1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day when God created man, He made him in the likeness of God.
.........2 He created them male and female, and He blessed them and named them Man in the day when they were created.
.........3 When Adam had lived one hundred and thirty years, he became the father of a son in his own likeness, according to
.........his image, and named him Seth*.
.........4 Then the days of Adam after he became the father of Seth were eight hundred years, and he had other sons and daughters.
.........5 So all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years, and he died.
*(Our progenitors, no doubt, had other sons and daughters prior to Seth's birth, IOW, after Cain and Able were born)
As for Adam ~not~ being the first person, the Bible gives tells us a number of reasons that make such a thought pretty hard to believe (or prove). For instance:
.........Romans 5
.........12 ..Through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin....
.........17 ..By the transgression of the one, death reigned through the one....
.........18 ..Through one transgression there resulted condemnation to all men....
I point to the part in bold above in particular, because if there actually were human beings living here for millions of years prior to the time of Adam, then the earth must have been become an awfully crowded place by the time he finally came along
~Deut
p.s. - the angels at the head and feet of Jesus in His tomb (as if He is the living Ark) is an interesting thought however (which is actually true of Him .. even though our Roman Catholic friends would have us believe that His mother, Mary, is the Ark instead).
.........1 Corinthians 15
.........45 ..So also it is written, “The first MAN, Adam, BECAME A LIVING SOUL.” The last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
.........
And according to the KJV translated version (4th translation from the ORIGINAL HEBREW), you are absolutely correct!!
Now, read the original Hebrew and the proper translation and see if you have the same conclusion!!
First off, this is clear this is not when God flooded the earth during the days of Noah:
Why?
The water receded and the earth still had form!!
So, when did God destroy the earth and it became Genesis 1:2 DESOLATE and VOID?
Jeremiah 4 gives us reason why Genesis 1:1 is a completed earth and then Genesis 1:2 is void and desolate.
23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.
Now, look at verse 25 carefully:
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
This definitely cannot be Noah because he survived the flood:
But this destruction of the earth was before Noah, and obviously before Adam (since no man existed any more)!!
Something else very interesting:
FROM:
(http://www.plaintruth.com/the_plain_truth/the-earth-became-formless-and-void.html)
You will notice that this verse describes the Earth as it would have been at the time of Genesis 1:2;
1. The Earth is described as "formless and void" (or "in disarray and empty")
2. There was no man
3. There were no birds
What is interesting, though, is that it refers to cities, and what's more it seems these cities had received judgment from The Lord - "all the cities thereof were broken down (in disarray) at the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger".
verse 26:
26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
Clearly, Genesis 1:1 is full of humans on a completed/finished earth
then, Genesis 1:2 is the earth completely void, no form, no cities, no humans!!
Jeremiah is specific that there was cities in verse 26, and there was men verse 25 before God destroyed the earth from Genesis 1:1 to 1:2!!
Jeremiah is clear that humans did pre-date Adam!!
Why?
The water receded and the earth still had form!!
So, when did God destroy the earth and it became Genesis 1:2 DESOLATE and VOID?
Jeremiah 4 gives us reason why Genesis 1:1 is a completed earth and then Genesis 1:2 is void and desolate.
23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.
Now, look at verse 25 carefully:
25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
This definitely cannot be Noah because he survived the flood:
But this destruction of the earth was before Noah, and obviously before Adam (since no man existed any more)!!
Something else very interesting:
FROM:
(http://www.plaintruth.com/the_plain_truth/the-earth-became-formless-and-void.html)
You will notice that this verse describes the Earth as it would have been at the time of Genesis 1:2;
1. The Earth is described as "formless and void" (or "in disarray and empty")
2. There was no man
3. There were no birds
What is interesting, though, is that it refers to cities, and what's more it seems these cities had received judgment from The Lord - "all the cities thereof were broken down (in disarray) at the presence of the Lord, and by his fierce anger".
verse 26:
26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
Clearly, Genesis 1:1 is full of humans on a completed/finished earth
then, Genesis 1:2 is the earth completely void, no form, no cities, no humans!!
Jeremiah is specific that there was cities in verse 26, and there was men verse 25 before God destroyed the earth from Genesis 1:1 to 1:2!!
Jeremiah is clear that humans did pre-date Adam!!
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We really need to check the original Hebrew text of Genesis for the translators simply didn't have the words to give us an understanding of what God said in Hebrew. If you check the Hebrew you find that when God started to create the world for us it was a dark void mass that had none of the goodness of God in it.
We know that God had created the angels before He created humans because Satan was alive, and Satan had been an angel.
Adam and Eve lived in a world very different from ours, a world with no death. The Lord lives in a dimension with no time for we are told that he is eternal. Adam and Eve changed this world of the garden, they brought on death, and death and time go together.
There could be no humans as we are living in the world before Adam and Eve for it was a world that was eternal, or without time. Before God created the garden the earth was a dark evil place.
Science has shown us the earth God started with, the world of darkness of spirit without God in it. The first creation that God gave earth was what translators use the world light for. It wasn't light as the sun gives, for it was the fourth day that was created, it was the light of God's spirit of goodness. The Hebrew words used for light on the first day and the light of the fourth day is entirely different with completely different meanings.
We know that God had created the angels before He created humans because Satan was alive, and Satan had been an angel.
Adam and Eve lived in a world very different from ours, a world with no death. The Lord lives in a dimension with no time for we are told that he is eternal. Adam and Eve changed this world of the garden, they brought on death, and death and time go together.
There could be no humans as we are living in the world before Adam and Eve for it was a world that was eternal, or without time. Before God created the garden the earth was a dark evil place.
Science has shown us the earth God started with, the world of darkness of spirit without God in it. The first creation that God gave earth was what translators use the world light for. It wasn't light as the sun gives, for it was the fourth day that was created, it was the light of God's spirit of goodness. The Hebrew words used for light on the first day and the light of the fourth day is entirely different with completely different meanings.
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You've gone from utter nonsense to utter failure.
Now it's the gap theory (or something) you're promoting, while condemning many others in the process, of and for which you will give an account.
And not surprising, you've failed to prove these other inhabitants of earth to which you ascribed authors of Scripture as backing you up. You'll give an account for that as well.
Now it's the gap theory (or something) you're promoting, while condemning many others in the process, of and for which you will give an account.
And not surprising, you've failed to prove these other inhabitants of earth to which you ascribed authors of Scripture as backing you up. You'll give an account for that as well.
Sedimentary stone should be sufficient to explain how they made these altars.
However, if not maybe Exodus 20:25 will help.
And if thou wilt make me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone:
for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it.
Nope, Hebrews or at least at Giza.
Pharaoh does!
However, if not maybe Exodus 20:25 will help.
And if thou wilt make me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone:
for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it.
Nope, Hebrews or at least at Giza.
Pharaoh does!
Let’s all take an honesty break. What do any of us really know? Evolution is complete bunk but that doesn’t mean civilizations don’t rise and fall. In my opinion, and that’s all any of us have is an opinion, the Bible was written to serve man and give him some direction. Just because it doesn’t give full disclosure on everything that The Almighty was doing before this era, doesn’t mean there was nothing. It just means we weren’t ready to know or understand. Omitting truth doesn’t mean lie. When a biology book takes you from conception to death, explaining the succession of life, it starts....at the beginning. Genesis was our beginning. Everything else is conjecture, plain and simple. So, quit beating people up because they seek others opinions in an effort to better know and understand God. We are supposed to seek Him. If He exists before Genesis, which He did, then I too will seek Him there. Until my last breath, I will be curious about the things of God. Obviously, the Bible is just a reference manual but it isn’t a complete transcript, containing every answer to every question asked by man. Any attempt to use it as such is merely inventing connections where they do not exist.
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when mainstream acadimics get together and discuss the pyramids, one theory they always ignore is the story told by those that descended from the pyramid builders. the Egyptians say they were built by giants (the gods) Aztecs said the same, and so did the Inca. and we are expected to believe they are all wrong, but more than that, they all give the exact same wrong answer?? thats one heck of a coincidence.
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To build one pyramid with the available manpower and technology, would be a feat. To build multiple pyramids, all over the world, lined up with specificity and constructed to withstand cataclysms and catastrophes, topped off with reoccurring symbols and fascination with serpents and astrology. Something seems to be missing from the timeline. Believe what you want but don’t condemn others for obvious logical discrepancies.
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the pyramid of cheops was never opened until the 600s. it was a feat just to figure out how to get in, nobody knew where the door was, the main passage way was sealed by a stone that looked the same as the other stones. when they did find it and removed it, another stone fell in its place.
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