OSAS= House Built on Sand

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UnderGrace said:
We do not inherit eternal life.
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So Jesus said to them, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or wife or children or lands, for My name’s sake, shall receive a hundredfold, and inherit eternal life. Matthew 19:28-29

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that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life. Titus 3:7


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Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Matthew 25:34



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TheDivineWatermark said:
Matt10 -

5 These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: 6 But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Matthew 15:24 -

But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

Acts 3 -

22 For Moses truly said unto the fathers, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear in all things whatsoever he shall say unto you.
23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.
24 Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise foretold of these days.
25 Ye are the children of the prophets, and of the covenant which God made with our fathers, saying unto Abraham, And in thy seed shall all the kindreds of the earth be blessed.
26 Unto you first [Israel] God, having raised up his Son [Servant] Jesus [that is, in His ministry BEFORE His death], sent him to bless you, in turning away every one of you from his iniquities.
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Still waiting on an answer.


The sheep who wanders away becomes lost.


Is someone who is lost saved or unsaved?


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Jewel5712 said:
Are you TTULY afraid to answer a question straight without the confusion of beating around the bush..? Probably not..that way you cant incriminate yourself :) btw Satan is the author of confusion and can work through others to confuse them as well..and yes Satan knows and uses scripture too..lol
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What was your question?

I quoted the scripture you quoted, but with the context.



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PennEd said:
Some will enter the Kingdom inheriting nothing. Like the Prodigal son who wasted his inheritance, yet still is in the Kingdom.

Notice, that not everyone will receive rewards in the Kingdom yet they WILL be in the Kingdom:

1 Corinthians 3:9 For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building. 10 According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. 11 For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12 Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, 13 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. 14 If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. 15 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; BUT HE HIMSELF WILL BE SAVED, yet so as through fire.
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I see you don’t understand what inheriting the kingdom of God means.

Thanks for exposing your lack of understanding of the subject.




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Can anyone who believes in OSAS answer this question?


Is a sheep who wanders away and becomes lost, saved or unsaved?



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TheDivineWatermark said:
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"The first thing mentioned in opening up this subject is the gospel which Paul had preached to the Corinthians, which they had received and wherein they stood. This is the order: The preaching of the Gospel, the good news, its reception by faith, followed by the standing in salvation and the enjoyment of it. By this Gospel is salvation as it is so fully revealed in the Epistle to the Romans. The Apostle Paul had delivered unto them, which he himself had received from the Lord (Galatians 1:11-19).

"And the third great fact of the gospel, “He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures.” This is the great truth of this chapter, a truth, if denied, must result in the complete collapse of the gospel." --Arno Gaebelein

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To "believe in vain" means to leave off [altogether] the vital aspect of His "resurrection"... So the "unless ye have believed in vain" means that if they don't believe in "resurrection" (as some there did not), and especially HIS "resurrection," then it could NOT be said of [that person] "wherein ye stand" because they are not saved AT ALL. That means they have NOT "retained" what *PAUL* had proclaimed unto them (that is, the inclusion of HIS RESURRECTION [vital truth, for the salvation "wherein ye stand," if they have so believed in His resurrection]). This has nothing to do with having it at first, and then forgetting about it and thus losing it (or forfeiting it).
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Paul is saying that some who heard the gospel preaching of Paul even doubted the capacity of the gospel power to save hence in the context "some say that there is no ressurrection of the dead" which is the primary basis of the gospel
 
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Jewel5712 said:
The "new age" interpretation as in the video is wrong..trying to put a new spin on an old biblical value..people have been doing this since Jesus day..we should be surprised that theres false teachers and preachers out there..theyll be a lot MORE in the coming days..as prophied in the Bible..thats what its especially important to know and be able to decern the truth so we arent easily swayed!
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We must know scripture to avoid what is happening and will happen ...more so....as the end times progresses....you are so right.
 
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justpassinthrough said:
Can anyone who believes in OSAS answer this question?


Is a sheep who wanders away and becomes lost, saved or unsaved?



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The sheep hears the voice of Christ and they follow him. How about a need to qualify what is lost here. There's an instance that sheep which was lost but it has been recovered by the sheperd. This has nothing to do with obtainig salvation.
 
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TheDivineWatermark said:
To "believe in vain" means to leave off [altogether] the vital aspect of His "resurrection"... So the "unless ye have believed in vain" means that if they don't believe in "resurrection" (as some there did not), and especially HIS "resurrection," then it could NOT be said of [that person] "wherein ye stand" because they are not saved AT ALL. That means they have NOT "retained" what *PAUL* had proclaimed unto them (that is, the inclusion of HIS RESURRECTION [vital truth, for the salvation "wherein ye stand," if they have so believed in His resurrection]). This has nothing to do with having it at first, and then forgetting about it and thus losing it (or forfeiting it).
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Believing in vain is faith without obedience. As it is written, "They honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. In vain they worship me teaching the commandments of men as doctrines."

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justpassinthrough said:
I gave you an example of the same parable that Luke and Matthew recorded but using different words to describe the same truth. The parable of the Sower.
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Do you believe that two passages of Scripture which are similar to each other are identical?

Do you know why Jesus spoke in parables?

Do you think Jesus needed to speak in parables for us to understand that the sinner needs repentance?

Think about these questions before you rattle an answer off the top of your head and/or post a slew of Scripture because your intent is to avoid the issue. It's real easy to glance through the parable of the lost sheep in Luke and think "oh, that's about people who are lost and need repentance" just because the word "repentance" is used in vs 7.




justpassinthrough said:
The parable of the lost sheep told by Luke is the same parable and teaches the same truth as the parable of the lost sheep told by Matthew.
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The concluding summation by Jesus is not the same in Matthew as it is in Luke. Therefore, while similar language is used, the "same truth" is not being conveyed.

What is the point of the parables?

Is the point to reiterate that sinners must repent? Or is the point something you have not considered because you gloss over what Jesus is teaching?




justpassinthrough said:
Attacking me won’t change this truth, for you are only deceiving yourself by ignoring God’s word.
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I'm not "attacking" you. I'm trying to get you to read Scripture with the brain God gave you.




justpassinthrough said:
One of His sheep who becomes lost is no longer reconciled to Him and is an unjust sinner in need of repentance.
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There is a difference between the parables ... why? What is God trying to convey to our understanding?

According to you, the whole point of all the parables you've posted is that God wants us to know that sinners need to repent. We all know that. Why does God need to speak in parables in order for us to understand that? You're not reading with discernment and, as a result you miss the whole point.
 
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justpassinthrough said:
Can anyone who believes in OSAS answer this question?


Is a sheep who wanders away and becomes lost, saved or unsaved?



JPT
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Saved..we are only HIS sheep to BEGIN with if saved (otherwise we arent "his shhep" we're just another lamb headed to the barn on any ol farm;)
 
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Jewel5712 said:
Saved..we are only HIS sheep to BEGIN with if saved (otherwise we arent "his shhep" we're just another lamb headed to the barn on any ol farm;)
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So the lost sheep is saved before it is saved (found)? o_O
 
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Chester said:
So the lost sheep is saved before it is saved (found)? o_O
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Yes..if Christ is our shephard...we r his sheep ..the ONLY way to be a part of His fold to begin with is being saved and having salvation..we can still be tempted..make bad choices and go "wayward" but that doesnt mean we still arent saved and shoukdnt be part of his fold again..like ive saud before.He will persue us wanting us to come back but WE havr to choose to come back and through repentance and His forgiveness..we are restored to the fold again..
 
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Chester said:
So the lost sheep is saved before it is saved (found)? o_O
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Question ..how do we become HIS SHEEP to begin with? Through Salvation...otgerwise we WOUKDNT be considered "His sheep"
 
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@Chester ..ok..chester..might be wrong on that one..sorry :( i re read the parable..more importantly the verses before and after to get the "bigger pic"..
 
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Ralph- said:
That's what I've been saying. But I'm being told my continued believing is me trying to save myself by what I do as if believing is a work of the works gospel.
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Jewel5712 said:
And? IS it? Yes or no answer...;)
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Of course 'believing' is NOT a work of the works gospel.

Look here where Paul CONTRASTS working to be justified with believing to be justified:

"to the one who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is credited as righteousness "-Romans 4:5

But I'm being told that my continued believing is me trying to save myself. How did we get so far away from the gospel? We are in the last days.
 
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fredoheaven said:
The sheep hears the voice of Christ and they follow him. How about a need to qualify what is lost here. There's an instance that sheep which was lost but it has been recovered by the sheperd. This has nothing to do with obtainig salvation.
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“What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance. Luke 15:4-7


Please before say anything else, read carefully the words that Jesus uses here.


  • Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’

  • likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.
 
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Jewel5712 said:
Saved..we are only HIS sheep to BEGIN with if saved (otherwise we arent "his shhep" we're just another lamb headed to the barn on any ol farm;)
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I see, so your theology teaches that lost is really saved.


That explains a lot.



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reneweddaybyday said:
Do you believe that two passages of Scripture which are similar to each other are identical?

Do you know why Jesus spoke in parables?

Do you think Jesus needed to speak in parables for us to understand that the sinner needs repentance?

Think about these questions before you rattle an answer off the top of your head and/or post a slew of Scripture because your intent is to avoid the issue. It's real easy to glance through the parable of the lost sheep in Luke and think "oh, that's about people who are lost and need repentance" just because the word "repentance" is used in vs 7.
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This is the same parable of the lost sheep.


Recorded by Luke and Matthew.


Is the sheep who wanders away and becomes lost, saved or unsaved while he is lost?



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mailmandan said:
JPT is only interested in promoting his works salvation/lose salvation propaganda and is not interested in listening or learning
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I just think we need to look more closely at the parables Jesus taught. We have to understand what it is He wants us to understand. A lot of times, we just read the parables in a peripheral manner because they appear so simple ... they impart such a simple truth. But when we get into the nitty-gritty meaning, we find a truth that is most profound and insightful.

God has a purpose for everything He says — what He says, when He says it, where He says it, why He says it, to whom He says it. And then there's the therefores, wherefores, whyfors.

Whyfor is the wherefore therefore is a saying I was taught to ask myself when reading God's Word.

Just a little jingle. But helpful to keep me focused when a wherefore or a therefore comes up … whyfor … ???
 
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