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Grandpa

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I read your answer to my question.

You answered saved, to this question -


Is a sheep that wanders away and becomes lost, saved or unsaved?


Those who promote OSAS must deceitfully "redefine" biblical words.


You claim a lost sheep is saved.


In your mind, lost = saved.



You have exchanged the truth for a lie.



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John 10:26-28
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.


I think those who say that a person can lose their salvation have exchanged the truth for a lie.

The re-define thing though its not really re-defining. Its either your carnal mind interpreting wrong or it is revealed to you by the Holy Spirit. Once it is revealed to you it is really easy to spot when someone is interpreting wrong by their carnal understanding.
 

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It's Biblical Truth, that totally and completely shows that OSAS is a doctrine of demons from hell.


It's up to us, to do the work of bringing the lost back to repentance.


“What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them goes astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine and go to the mountains to seek the one that is straying? And if he should find it, assuredly, I say to you, he rejoices more over that sheep than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray. Even so it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish. “Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’ And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.
Matthew 18:12-17


  • If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them goes astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine and go to the mountains to seek the one that is straying?
  • And if he should find it, assuredly, I say to you, he rejoices more over that sheep than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray.



Jesus defines the steps to take, to go after a person who has sinned against you to get them to repent:


  1. Moreover [likewise] if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone.
  2. If he hears you, you have gained your brother.
  3. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’
  4. And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.



James says it this way -


Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.
James 5:19-20


  • Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth
  • and someone turns him back
  • let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way
  • will save a soul from death


Found = Reconciled to God: Justified - Declared to be right with God.


Lost = Seperated from God. Unjust. Unrighteous. A Sinner in need of repentance.







Jesus is in Heaven, seated at the right hand of God.


He has finished the work that the Father sent Him to do. LOL!!!


Who said anything about seething anger? LOL




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Not only do you make the Lord impotent and incompetent, but you refuse to acknowledge that He is going to look for HIS UNTIL they are found.


You, and others, also negate the fact of the NEW birth. How monstrous a claim it is that the Lord will not find His Children that are lost. What kind of a Father would do that?
 
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John 10:26-28
26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.
27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.


I think those who say that a person can lose their salvation have exchanged the truth for a lie.

The re-define thing though its not really re-defining. Its either your carnal mind interpreting wrong or it is revealed to you by the Holy Spirit. Once it is revealed to you it is really easy to spot when someone is interpreting wrong by their carnal understanding.

Sheep who "hear" [meaning hear and obey] His Voice, are those who follow Him, and do not become lost.


I have asked this question for those who promote OSAS.


Is a sheep [born again Christian] who wanders away and becomes lost, saved or unsaved, just or unjust, sinner or saint?


“What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.



  • What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them
  • Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!

Jesus uses the parable of the lost sheep to describe a reality among His people.

Jesus explains the parable of the sheep and correlates it to actual people in verse 7.


  • I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.



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Not only do you make the Lord impotent and incompetent, but you refuse to acknowledge that He is going to look for HIS UNTIL they are found.


You, and others, also negate the fact of the NEW birth. How monstrous a claim it is that the Lord will not find His Children that are lost. What kind of a Father would do that?


Jesus did the work the Father gave Him to do, and is seated at the right hand of God.


He has poured out His Spirit upon us to empower us to do the works He did.


IT'S UP TO US, TO GO AFTER THE LOST!

WAKE UP!!!!


What is monstrous is to sit back and watch people wander away and become lost and do nothing to turn them back!



“What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.



  • What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them
  • Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!

Jesus uses the parable of the lost sheep to describe a reality among His people.

Jesus explains the parable of the sheep and correlates it to actual people in verse 7.


  • I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.


A Christian who wanders away and becomes lost is no longer justified [declared right with God], and has returned to being a sinner in need of repentance, or remain lost.


Matthew's version shows us what Jesus taught about dealing with such a person, and in context shows us the principle of forgiveness and unforgiveness.


“What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them goes astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine and go to the mountains to seek the one that is straying? And if he should find it, assuredly, I say to you, he rejoices more over that sheep than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray. Even so it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish. “Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’ And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.
Matthew 18:12-17


  • If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them goes astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine and go to the mountains to seek the one that is straying?
  • And if he should find it, assuredly, I say to you, he rejoices more over that sheep than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray.



Jesus defines the steps to take, to go after a person who has sinned against you to get them to repent:


  1. Moreover [likewise] if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone.
  2. If he hears you, you have gained your brother.
  3. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’
  4. And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.



James says it this way -


Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.
James 5:19-20


  • Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth
  • and someone turns him back
  • let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way
  • will save a soul from death


Found = Reconciled to God: Justified - Declared to be right with God.


Lost = Seperated from God. Unjust. Unrighteous. A Sinner in need of repentance.




JPT
 

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@mailmandan ..dont know bout you but does this thread seem to go in circles..i feel ive repeated my opinions over and over and over again on here and the same people are asking the same questions just slightly different wording each time. Dont know how one keeps thier sanity in here..like the chinese water torture..drip..drip..drip...
 
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@mailmandan ..dont know bout you but does this thread seem to go in circles..i feel ive repeated my opinions over and over and over again on here and the same people are asking the same questions just slightly different wording each time. Dont know how one keeps thier sanity in here..like the chinese water torture..drip..drip..drip...

Can you honestly answer a simple question?


Is a sheep [born again Christian] who wanders away and becomes lost, saved or unsaved, just or unjust, sinner or saint?



JPT
 

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Right here in Luke 15 -


“What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.



  • What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them
  • Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!

Jesus uses the parable of the lost sheep to describe a reality among His people.

Jesus explains the parable of the sheep and correlates it to actual people in verse 7.


  • I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.


A Christian who wanders away and becomes lost is no longer justified [declared right with God], and has returned to being a sinner in need of repentance, or remain lost.


James says it this way -


Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.
James 5:19-20


  • Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth
  • and someone turns him back
  • let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way
  • will save a soul from death


Found = Reconciled to God: Justified - Declared to be right with God.


Lost = Seperated from God. Unjust. Unrighteous. A Sinner in need of repentance.


For one of His sheep to become lost, it must first belong to the Shepherd.




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Where does that leave you?

Lost can be used to designate eternally lost.

Lost can be used to designate misplaced.

Lost can be used to designate without hope of restoration.

Sheep is used to designate believers.

Goats is used to designate unsaved people or nations.

Which brings us back to where does it leave you? Sheep hear His voice. Goats do not hear. Sheep respond and goats rebell.

For the cause of Christ
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Where does that leave you?

Lost can be used to designate eternally lost.

Lost can be used to designate misplaced.

Lost can be used to designate without hope of restoration.

Sheep is used to designate believers.

Goats is used to designate unsaved people or nations.

Which brings us back to where does it leave you? Sheep hear His voice. Goats do not hear. Sheep respond and goats rebell.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

“What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.



  • What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them
  • Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!

Jesus uses the parable of the lost sheep to describe a reality among His people.

Jesus explains the parable of the sheep and correlates it to actual people in verse 7.


  • I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.



No goats are mentioned at all in this parable or my question.


Is a sheep [born again Christian] who wanders away and becomes lost, saved or unsaved, just or unjust, sinner or saint?




JPT
 

Jewel5712

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Right here in Luke 15 -


“What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.



  • What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them
  • Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!

Jesus uses the parable of the lost sheep to describe a reality among His people.

Jesus explains the parable of the sheep and correlates it to actual people in verse 7.


  • I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.


A Christian who wanders away and becomes lost is no longer justified [declared right with God], and has returned to being a sinner in need of repentance, or remain lost.


James says it this way -


Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.
James 5:19-20


  • Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth
  • and someone turns him back
  • let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way
  • will save a soul from death


Found = Reconciled to God: Justified - Declared to be right with God.


Lost = Seperated from God. Unjust. Unrighteous. A Sinner in need of repentance.


For one of His sheep to become lost, it must first belong to the Shepherd.




JPT
Your last sentence doesnt make sense according to you thought process.."for one sheep to be lost it must first belong to the shephard"..if you say "lost" is sin..not saved...how can they belong to the shephard FIRST.. Repentance..salvation ..THEN we are His sheep
 

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No goats are mentioned at all in this parable or my question.


Is a sheep [born again Christian] who wanders away and becomes lost, saved or unsaved, just or unjust, sinner or saint?




JPT
Unless you can demonstrate that the sheep changes to a goat then the sheep is still a sheep and still saved.

Proverbs 9:9 Give instruction to a wise man, and he will be yet wiser: teach a just man, and he will increase in learning.
10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.

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Your last sentence doesnt make sense according to you thought process.."for one sheep to be lost it must first belong to the shephard"..if you say "lost" is sin..not saved...how can they belong to the shephard FIRST.. Repentance..salvation ..THEN we are His sheep
The shepherd has 100 sheep, they are his sheep; the sheep belong to him.


“What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.



  • What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them
  • Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!

Jesus uses the parable of the lost sheep to describe a reality among His people.

Jesus explains the parable of the sheep and correlates it to actual people in verse 7.


  • I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.



Is a sheep [born again Christian] who wanders away and becomes lost, a sinner or saint, saved or unsaved, just or unjust?



JPT
 

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@mailmandan ..dont know bout you but does this thread seem to go in circles..i feel ive repeated my opinions over and over and over again on here and the same people are asking the same questions just slightly different wording each time. Dont know how one keeps thier sanity in here..like the chinese water torture..drip..drip..drip...
It never ceases to amaze me how the people who attack the OSAS doctrine the most are those who teach salvation by works. ALL false religions and cults that teach salvation by works strongly disagree with OSAS. Don’t know about you, but that is certainly a red flag for me! ;)
 

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Can you honestly answer a simple question?


Is a sheep [born again Christian] who wanders away and becomes lost, saved or unsaved, just or unjust, sinner or saint?



JPT
According to the PARABLE..the sheep in the PARABLE us the UNSAVED..lost..this understanding comes from reading the verses both before and AFTER the parable as well..;)
 
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It never ceases to amaze me how the people who attack the OSAS doctrine the most are those who teach salvation by works. ALL false religions and cults that teach salvation by works strongly disagree with OSAS. Don’t know about you, but that is certainly a red flag for me! ;)
All false religions and cults that teach grace is a license to sin strongly disagree with anti-OSAS. Don't know about you, but that is certainly a red flag for me!

See how unfair your reasoning is? I know that you don't think grace is a license to sin so why is it fair for me to question your 'once saved always saved' doctrine just because false believers who think grace is a license to sin flock to it like bugs to a porch light? I would expect the same courtesy be extended to me, who, as you know, doesn't teach salvation by works, yet doesn't believe in 'once saved always saved'.

Remember, Christianity isn't about who has the most accurate doctrine. It's about who is going to act like Christ.
 

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The shepherd has 100 sheep, they are his sheep; the sheep belong to him.


“What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.



  • What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them
  • Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!

Jesus uses the parable of the lost sheep to describe a reality among His people.

Jesus explains the parable of the sheep and correlates it to actual people in verse 7.


  • I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.



Is a sheep [born again Christian] who wanders away and becomes lost, a sinner or saint, saved or unsaved, just or unjust?



JPT
Lol..since you like sheep references so much..heres another..lol

"We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all."

Isiah 53:6

Were the sheep lost or saved? Lol
 

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All false religions and cults that teach grace is a license to sin strongly disagree with anti-OSAS. Don't know about you, but that is certainly a red flag for me!

See how unfair your reasoning is? I know that you don't think grace is a license to sin so why is it fair for me to question your 'once saved always saved' doctrine just because false believers who think grace is a license to sin flock to it like bugs to a porch light? I would expect the same courtesy be extended to me, who, as you know, doesn't teach salvation by works, yet doesn't believe in 'once saved always saved'.

Remember, Christianity isn't about who has the most accurate doctrine. It's about who is going to act like Christ.
You can question it but to keep trying to convince people tthat "youre right" when you specifically know other people dont believe you is just wanting to hear yourself preach! You KNOW mailmans and my views..webe stated them over and over but yet youre trying to CONVINCE us that youre right..why dont you call it a day and AGREE TO DISAGREE? Ohhhh..i know why..you like the sound of your own voice? Lol
 
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According to the PARABLE..the sheep in the PARABLE us the UNSAVED..lost..this understanding comes from reading the verses both before and AFTER the parable as well..;)

The shepherd has 100 sheep, they are his sheep; the sheep belong to him.


“What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.



  • What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them
  • Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!

Jesus uses the parable of the lost sheep to describe a reality among His people.

Jesus explains the parable of the sheep and correlates it to actual people in verse 7.


  • I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.



Is a sheep [born again Christian] who wanders away and becomes lost, a sinner or saint, saved or unsaved, just or unjust?


JLB
 

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The shepherd has 100 sheep, they are his sheep; the sheep belong to him.


“What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.



  • What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them
  • Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!

Jesus uses the parable of the lost sheep to describe a reality among His people.

Jesus explains the parable of the sheep and correlates it to actual people in verse 7.


  • I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.



Is a sheep [born again Christian] who wanders away and becomes lost, a sinner or saint, saved or unsaved, just or unjust?



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I am not osas , so, i am not coming from that mindset. the lost sheep is a saved soul that has strayed from the Shepherd , but as roger says, it is still a sheep. it is still saved, even though it may have strayed.

as long as the sheep still acknowledges that the Shepherd is Lord and Savior , it is still part of the flock. now, as I said, if the sheep were to look at the shepherd and say " you are no longer my leader, I go my own way ", then that is outright rebellion , and the sheep is no longer saved if it keeps that mindset.

you see, the truth is, no matter how you try to deceive and spin, we are saved by faith and belief in Christ, not by command keeping and doing good works.
 
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Lol..since you like sheep references so much..heres another..lol

"We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all."

Isiah 53:6

Were the sheep lost or saved? Lol

Lost sheep are not saved.

Found sheep are saved.


As I have said before, so I will say it again for you.


Found = Reconciled to God: Justified - Declared to be right with God.


Lost = Separated from God. Unjust. Unrighteous. A Sinner in need of repentance.



The shepherd has 100 sheep, they are his sheep; the sheep belong to him.


“What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.



  • What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them
  • Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!

Jesus uses the parable of the lost sheep to describe a reality among His people.

Jesus explains the parable of the sheep and correlates it to actual people in verse 7.


  • I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.



Is a sheep [born again Christian] who wanders away and becomes lost, a sinner or saint, saved or unsaved, just or unjust?


JLB
 

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Jesus did the work the Father gave Him to do, and is seated at the right hand of God.


He has poured out His Spirit upon us to empower us to do the works He did.


IT'S UP TO US, TO GO AFTER THE LOST!

WAKE UP!!!!


What is monstrous is to sit back and watch people wander away and become lost and do nothing to turn them back!



“What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them, does not leave the ninety-nine in the wilderness, and go after the one which is lost until he finds it? And when he has found it, he lays it on his shoulders, rejoicing. And when he comes home, he calls together his friends and neighbors, saying to them, Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!’ I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.



  • What man of you, having a hundred sheep, if he loses one of them
  • Rejoice with me, for I have found my sheep which was lost!

Jesus uses the parable of the lost sheep to describe a reality among His people.

Jesus explains the parable of the sheep and correlates it to actual people in verse 7.


  • I say to you that likewise there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine just persons who need no repentance.


A Christian who wanders away and becomes lost is no longer justified [declared right with God], and has returned to being a sinner in need of repentance, or remain lost.


Matthew's version shows us what Jesus taught about dealing with such a person, and in context shows us the principle of forgiveness and unforgiveness.


“What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them goes astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine and go to the mountains to seek the one that is straying? And if he should find it, assuredly, I say to you, he rejoices more over that sheep than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray. Even so it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish. “Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’ And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.
Matthew 18:12-17


  • If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them goes astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine and go to the mountains to seek the one that is straying?
  • And if he should find it, assuredly, I say to you, he rejoices more over that sheep than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray.



Jesus defines the steps to take, to go after a person who has sinned against you to get them to repent:


  1. Moreover [likewise] if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone.
  2. If he hears you, you have gained your brother.
  3. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’
  4. And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.



James says it this way -


Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.
James 5:19-20


  • Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth
  • and someone turns him back
  • let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way
  • will save a soul from death


Found = Reconciled to God: Justified - Declared to be right with God.


Lost = Seperated from God. Unjust. Unrighteous. A Sinner in need of repentance.




JPT
Thank you very much for the clarity. You truly believe it is YOU that has to retrieve a lost sheep. While it is certainly true we may be USED by the Lord to accomplish that, it is vital we understand and acknowledge that it is the LORD that will draw him back and retrieve him.

I think where you are going radically astray, one might even say lost, is that you think Jesus is just hanging out chatting with His Dad on the Throne in Heaven,content to just watch what happens, instead of being active in all things related to His sheep.