Not By Works

OSAS AND FAS ARE FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINES THAT PROMOTES DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD AND REJECTS AND NULLIFIES GOD'S WORDS AND COMMANDS. (mark 7:6-13, Isaiah 5:20-24)



SO DO NOT LET ANYONE DECEIVE YOU...FOR THE WRATH OF GOD COMES ON THOSE WHO ARE DISOBEDIENT.(Ephesians 5:6)



OUR LORD JESUS CHRIST WHO IS THE SOURCE OF ETERNAL LIFE FOR THOSE WHO OBEY HIM (Hebrews 5:8-9) SAID:



Revelation 3:1-3 To the Church in Sardis “To the angel of the church in Sardis write: These are the words of him who holds the seven spirits of God and the seven stars. I know your deeds; you have a reputation of being alive, but you are dead. Wake up! Strengthen what remains and is about to die, for I HAVE NOT FOUND YOUR DEEDS COMPLETE in the sight of my God. Remember, therefore, what you have RECEIVED and HEARD ; OBEY IT and REPENT. But if you do not wake up, I will come like a thief, and you will not know at what time I will come to you.



JESUS HAVE NOT FOUND THEIR DEEDS "COMPLETE" IN THE EYES OF GOD.



THEN HE TOLD THEM TO "OBEY" WHAT THEY RECEIVED AND HEARD AND TO REPENT.



JESUS WAS SPEAKING HERE TO ONE OF THE SEVEN CHURCHES AND WE KNOW THAT THE "CHURCH" IS THE BODY OF CHRIST WHOM HE WILL SAVE. (eph 5:23)



WHY WILL HE SAY THAT THEIR DEEDS ARE NOT COMPLETE IF WORKS ARE NOT NECESSARY FOR SALVATION AND THAT "FAITH ALONE" SAVES?



WHY WOULD JESUS COMMAND THEM TO OBEY AND REPENT IF IT
IS NO LONGER NECESSARY SINCE THEY ARE SAVED ETERNALLY? (OSAS)



IS JESUS IGNORANT OF THIS DOCTRINE OR IS IT CONTRARY TO HIS TEACHINGS AND COMMANDS AND THEREFORE ARE JUST FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINE THAT NULLIFIES GOD'S WORDS?



JESUS AND HIS FATHER REQUIRE SOME WORKS TO BE COMPLETED AND ASKED FOR OBEDIENCE AND REPENTANCE.



Romans 8:4 in order that the righteous REQUIREMENTS of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the sinful nature but according to the Spirit.



Malachi 3:14 “You have said, ‘It is futile to serve God. What did we gain by CARRYING OUT HIS REQUIREMENTS and going about like mourners before the Lord Almighty?



GOD REQUIRES OBEDIENCE AND REPENTANCE IN OUR PART OTHERWISE HIS WRATH WILL COME ON THOSE WHO ARE "DISOBEDIENT".(eph 5:6 )



Luke 6:46 “Why do you call me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ and do not do what I say?



John 14:15 “If you love me, you will obey what I command.



2 John 1:6 And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love.



DO NOT BE DECEIVED... GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED...WE REAP WHAT WE SOW...(Galatians 6:7-10)



NOW IF FAITH ALONE SAVES AND ONCE SAVED, YOU ARE ALWAYS SAVED, DOES THIS PASSAGE BELOW CONTRADICT THESE FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINE OR DO YOU REJECT IT OR TWIST IT TO MEAN SOMETHING ELSE THAT WOULD FIT YOUR DOCTRINE?



Matthew 24:9-14 “Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. At that time MANY WILL TURN AWAY FROM THE FAITH and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, THE LOVE OF MOST WILL GROW COLD, but HE WHO STANDS FIRM TO THE END WILL BE SAVED . And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.



MANY WHO HAS FAITH WILL TURN AWAY FROM THEIR FAITH.



ARE THEY STILL SAVED AFTER TURNING AWAY FROM THEIR FAITH(ALONE)?



DO YOU MOCK GOD AND REJECT THESE VERSES BELOW?



Galatians 6:7-10 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature WILL REAP DESTRUCTION; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit WILL REAP ETERNAL LIFE. Let us not become weary in doing good, for at the proper time we will reap a harvest if we do not give up. Therefore, as we have opportunity, let us do good to all people, especially to those who belong to the family of believers.



James 2:26 As the body without the spirit is dead, so FAITH WITHOUT WORKS IS DEAD..

"LET GOD BE TRUE..." (Romans 3:3-4)

Seems to me Studyman is saying He wants to do the will of Messiah...So In your view would seeking to be a doulos/bond slave of the Messiah wanting to do His will be exalting oneself or humbling oneself?

None of us are perfect, we all have struggles, we have all sinned, yet the way I see it, the person that uses the strength, mind, body and will YHWH has given them and chooses to use it seeking Yah's will. That would be the definition of humbling oneself before Yah...


Matthew 25:14-30,
14 for it is like a man going from home, who called his own servants and delivered his possessions to them."

15 “And to one he gave five talents, and to another two, and to another one, to each according to his own ability, and went from home."

16 “And he who had received the five talents went and worked with them, and made another five talents."

17 “In the same way, he with the two also, he gained two more."

18 “But he who had received the one went away and dug in the ground, and hid the silver of his master."

19 “And after a long time the master of those servants came and settled accounts with them."

20 “And he who had received five talents came and brought five other talents, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me five talents. See, I have gained five more talents besides them.’"

21 “And his master said to him, ‘Well done, good and trustworthy servant. You were trustworthy over a little, I shall set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’"

22 “Then he who had received two talents came and said, ‘Master, you delivered to me two talents. See, I have gained two more talents besides them.’"

23 “His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and trustworthy servant. You were trustworthy over a little, I shall set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’"

24 “And the one who had received the one talent also came and said, ‘Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you have not sown, and gathering where you have not scattered seed,"

25 and being afraid, I went and hid your talent in the ground. See, you have what is yours.’"

26 “And his master answering, said to him, ‘You wicked and lazy servant, you knew that I reap where I have not sown, and gather where I have not scattered seed."

27 Then you should have put my silver with the bankers, and at my coming I would have received back my own with interest."

28 Therefore take away the talent from him, and give it to him who possesses ten talents."

29 ‘For to everyone who possesses, more shall be given, and he shall have overflowingly; but from him who does not possess, even what he possesses shall be taken away.

30 And throw the worthless servant out into the outer darkness – there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’"


The day when seeking to do His will is criticised as "exalting oneself" is the day the grace perversion is iniquity (Lawlessness).

This is a false notion regarding OSAS/FAS...

Now you are continuing to misrepresent our conversation to further exalt yourself over those you have deemed yourself superior to.

This is your religion.

Thanks, you just proved me right,

End of discussion.

Now stop insisting you trust god when you do not

I just don't trust the god you created EG. I Trust the Word which became Flesh.

the Word which became Flesh

I just don't trust the god you created EG. I Trust the Word which became Flesh.

see i think this is slander. it seems to be a clearly spurious and false allegation that EG created a god.
there's no need to speak this way.

19Go ye therefore, and TEACH ALL NATIONS, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: 20 TEACHING THEM TO OBSERVE ALL THINGS WHATSOEVER I HAVE COMMANDED YOU: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.


OUR LORD JESUS BEFORE GOING BACK TO THE FATHER INSTRUCTED HIS DISCIPLES TO TEACH OBEDIENCE UNTO ALL NATIONS.

You do not trust god, your still trying to save yourself. And when anyone tries to confront you, this is your response, which is no response at all

Everyone sees it, you can talk all you want. Your not fooling anyone

needs to studyman any like him are obsessed with the letter of the Law. I bet he, or any of them, have studied the purpose of the Law, and how we are to live out the intent of the Law.

they will not accept that when Paul stated that " the letter kills, but the Sprit gives life", he spoke absolute truth.

Some people do not like to admit it is God who finshes our faith, not ouselves, they refuse to give control tthe god, then get mad when peopl call them out on it.

And you just described WORKS RIGHTEOUSNESS in you OPENING COMMENT.

Used the way you worded it is a pretty good indication that you believe SALVATION and SANCTIFICATION is all part of the SALVATION PROCESS. SALVATION WAS BOUGHT and PAID FOR ON THE CROSS, lock, stock, and barrel, and HE GAVE IT TO US AS A GIFT. Sanctification is a process where we strive to become more and more like CHRIST HIMSELF, and it will NOT be complete until HE GIVES US THE GLORIFIED BODY THAT CANNOT EVEN THINK A SIN, at the Resurrection.

Now let's look at what it REALLY SAYS:

Matthew 10:22 (HCSB)
22 You will be hated by everyone because of My name. But the one who endures to the end will be delivered.


You see that Greek word "sôzô", has several different Meanings. It can mean delivered, restored, preserved, cured, made well, and recovered. SINCE WE KNOW THAT GOD SAID "You have been SAVED by GRACE through FAITH, and that is NOT of yourselves, it is the Gift of GOD." It cannot mean SALVATION, in that instance, IT HAS TO BE ONE OF THE OTHER MEANINGS. WHY? BECAUSE GOD DID NOT MAKE ANY CONTRADICTIONS, it is US that made the mistake, NOT GOD.

2 Timothy 1:9 (HCSB)
9 He has saved us and called us with a holy calling, not according to our works, but according to His own purpose and grace, which was given to us in Christ Jesus before time began.

Titus 3:5-8 (HCSB)
5 He saved us— not by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
6 He poured out this ⌊Spirit⌋ on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
7 so that having been justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.
8 This saying is trustworthy. I want you to insist on these things, so that those who have believed God might be careful to devote themselves to good works. These are good and profitable for everyone.

John 10:27-28 (HCSB)
27 My sheep hear My voice, I know them {Born Again}, and they follow Me.
28 I give them eternal life, and they will never perish—ever! No one will snatch them out of My hand.

Romans 3:23-24 (HCSB)
23 For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
24 They are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

Romans 5:1 (HCSB)
1 Therefore, since we have been declared righteous by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ.


Your Works of Righteousness and your Obediences HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SALVATION. IT IS PART OF OUR LOVE FOR HIM, and we cannot even claim credit for that, it is part of the HARVEST, after the HOLY SPIRIT POURED GOD's LOVE INTO OUR HEARTS:


Romans 5:5 (HCSB)
5 This hope will not disappoint ⌊us⌋, because God’s love has been poured out in our hearts through the Holy Spirit who was given to us.

needs to studyman any like him are obsessed with the letter of the Law. I bet he, or any of them, have studied the purpose of the Law, and how we are to live out the intent of the Law.

they will not accept that when Paul stated that " the letter kills, but the Sprit gives life", he spoke absolute truth.

I marvel how you guys can erase God's Word from my post as though they were not there, and exalt yourself in such a manner with no shame or consciousness. As though such behavior is honest and Christ like and not evil.

But then I remember how the Mainstream Preachers of Christ's time treated Him and His Apostles when they shared His Word with them. Then I Glory in the Wisdom and Perfect Power of the Christ to know 2000 years ago how you would respond to His Words, and to those who strive to follow them. So I am encouraged by your scorn.

He is doingitin order to gain, maintain salvation, thus he practices self righteousness, nt Christs righteousness.

Trying to compair that righteousness which comes from pride, and us who want to obay god out of appreciation for the fact he has saved us, in gratitude and thanksgiving is like trying to compair apples and oranges, they do not mix

I do pray one day the modern day pharisee movement will see this and repent. .

Rom. 12:
1 I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.
2 And be not conformed to (the religions of) this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

It's always about what God's Word teaches VS. what religious man preaches for me EG.

I know we will never agree, I just wanted to expose your false teaching that those who trust the Christ and His instructions do not do so because they believe that God needs their help to save them.

It's called "Being faithful". But you can't understand such a concept because you have been convinced man does not participate in their own salvation.

Luke 16:29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.

31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead

Luke 6:
46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:

Rom. 2:13 (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.