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Studyman

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And here we have religion at its finest, easily deceptive, sounds great, but in the end, a person trying to help God through his own power, and rejecting the power of God to help him.

On the one hand, states he can not do it, thus God has to do it, while at same time, saying if we do not do it, we are lost.
And here we have religion at its finest, easily deceptive, sounds great, but in the end, a person trying to help God through his own power, and rejecting the power of God to help him.
Could you show me in my post where this statement is even implied?
 
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Could you show me in my post where this statement is even implied?
You will have to forgive me, it has been awhile since i uave seen you post, have you since repented of your view that God is not trusworthy enough and powerful enough to prevent his true children from losing faith in his eternal salvation, that hey will somehow lose fath and reject the savior (even though john sad these people were never saved to begin with) and that those who he said depart from me never lost salvation, but never had it to begin with, which is why they practice iniquity.

Are you saying you now believe in eternal security? That he who began a good work WILL complete it, that God saved us completely? Or are you still as it appears from your post thnk one can lose salvatin bcause they did not have enough power in self to maintain ther faith, and since God is. Ot trustworthy in their view, fell away?
 

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Amen....the law keeper that does not keep the law.....
You will have to forgive me, it has been awhile since i uave seen you post, have you since repented of your view that God is not trusworthy enough and powerful enough to prevent his true children from losing faith in his eternal salvation, that hey will somehow lose fath and reject the savior (even though john sad these people were never saved to begin with) and that those who he said depart from me never lost salvation, but never had it to begin with, which is why they practice iniquity.

Are you saying you now believe in eternal security? That he who began a good work WILL complete it, that God saved us completely? Or are you still as it appears from your post thnk one can lose salvatin bcause they did not have enough power in self to maintain ther faith, and since God is. Ot trustworthy in their view, fell away?
a few weeks ago, I told studyman of a young lady at my church coming to faith in Christ after a failed suicide attempt. I pointed out that his cold, lifeless, command keeping religion does not get the results that telling folks of the grace and love of God that He has for us, and salvation is freely given if one believes in and trusts Jesus for it.

studyman's response- lol! will you now post pictures of starving children and ask for money.

his words- thread- yoke of bondage-post #377.

just wanted to let you know what he thinks of salvation by Christ alone.
 
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Yes, religion is from satan, but it sounds so good, which is why it is so powerful, And why so many are deceved by its leven.
I agree....I mean if works, religious hoop jumping and Cainology can save, help stay saved, embellish salvation then Christ, his sacrifice, his power, his promises are not needed.....the simple truth....these Cainologists, Pharisees, and worker's for religions and false gospels will not save a flea......they are false, contrary to the bible and totally dethrone Jesus Christ and lift self.....exactly what Lucifer wanted to do before his fall....Lift himself up
And here we have religion at its finest, easily deceptive, sounds great, but in the end, a person trying to help God through his own power, and rejecting the power of God to help him.

On the one hand, states he can not do it, thus God has to do it, while at same time, saying if we do not do it, we are lost.
Any dogma that sows confusion is not of God....it is either grace/faith based and eternal and or temporal and based upon what we do "works".......

Jesus/Paul/John were clear....by grace through faith and eternal, irrevocable, incorruptable, sustained and kept by
a few weeks ago, I told studyman of a young lady at my church coming to faith in Christ after a failed suicide attempt. I pointed out that his cold, lifeless, command keeping religion does not get the results that telling folks of the grace and love of God that He has for us, and salvation is freely given if one believes in and trusts Jesus for it.

studyman's response- lol! will you now post pictures of starving children and ask for money.

his words- thread- yoke of bondage-post #377.

just wanted to let you know what he thinks of salvation by Christ alone.
Oh I know, false as.....and we have had our rounds, make no mistake about it...He does not teach the truth!
 
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a few weeks ago, I told studyman of a young lady at my church coming to faith in Christ after a failed suicide attempt. I pointed out that his cold, lifeless, command keeping religion does not get the results that telling folks of the grace and love of God that He has for us, and salvation is freely given if one believes in and trusts Jesus for it.

studyman's response- lol! will you now post pictures of starving children and ask for money.

his words- thread- yoke of bondage-post #377.

just wanted to let you know what he thinks of salvation by Christ alone.
Sadly does not suprise me at all.
 

BillG

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a few weeks ago, I told studyman of a young lady at my church coming to faith in Christ after a failed suicide attempt. I pointed out that his cold, lifeless, command keeping religion does not get the results that telling folks of the grace and love of God that He has for us, and salvation is freely given if one believes in and trusts Jesus for it.

studyman's response- lol! will you now post pictures of starving children and ask for money.

his words- thread- yoke of bondage-post #377.

just wanted to let you know what he thinks of salvation by Christ alone.
Is that in the BDF?
 

Studyman

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You will have to forgive me, it has been awhile since i uave seen you post, have you since repented of your view that God is not trusworthy enough and powerful enough to prevent his true children from losing faith in his eternal salvation, that hey will somehow lose fath and reject the savior (even though john sad these people were never saved to begin with) and that those who he said depart from me never lost salvation, but never had it to begin with, which is why they practice iniquity.

Are you saying you now believe in eternal security? That he who began a good work WILL complete it, that God saved us completely? Or are you still as it appears from your post thnk one can lose salvatin bcause they did not have enough power in self to maintain ther faith, and since God is. Ot trustworthy in their view, fell away?
Actually what I did was reply to a statement you made about God needing my help to save me. I don't believe this, nor have I ever heard anyone else imply such a thing, other than you. I posed several Holy Scriptures of God and posed some questions to you.

They were simple questions, and relevant to your preaching.

I was hoping you might answer these questions regarding other people in the Bible who believed in God but were not accepted (Saved) by God. I don't believe the Word which became Flesh gave instructions because He needed help in saving me, and following those instructions He gave don't seem to be "unfaithful" in my view.

So I posted scriptures and was hoping, since this is a Bible discussion forum, that you might answer the questions I posed.

So far, for some reason, you have been reluctant to do so, choosing instead to deflect and change the subject.

Are you saying you now believe in eternal security? That he who began a good work WILL complete it, that God saved us completely? Or are you still as it appears from your post thnk one can lose salvatin bcause they did not have enough power in self to maintain ther faith, and since God is. Ot trustworthy in their view, fell away?
I posted scriptures with questions. If you don't want to discuss, just say so.
 

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Oneness Pentecostalism - Wikipedia
Oneness believers say that God can operate using an unlimited number of manifestations, not just three. ... Oneness Pentecostals believe that Trinitarian doctrine is a "tradition of men" and neither scriptural nor a teaching of God, and cite the absence of the word "Trinity" from the Bible as one evidence of this.
 
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Actually what I did was reply to a statement you made about God needing my help to save me. I don't believe this, nor have I ever heard anyone else imply such a thing, other than you. I posed several Holy Scriptures of God and posed some questions to you.

They were simple questions, and relevant to your preaching.

I was hoping you might answer these questions regarding other people in the Bible who believed in God but were not accepted (Saved) by God. I don't believe the Word which became Flesh gave instructions because He needed help in saving me, and following those instructions He gave don't seem to be "unfaithful" in my view.

So I posted scriptures and was hoping, since this is a Bible discussion forum, that you might answer the questions I posed.

So far, for some reason, you have been reluctant to do so, choosing instead to deflect and change the subject.



I posted scriptures with questions. If you don't want to discuss, just say so.
as usual You skirt the actual issue, and try to blame shift.

The fact you did not respond to my questions about your belief proves this.

As for discussing scripture with you. So many people have discussed those passages with you, it is a mute point now.

The question is. Do you think God saved you completely, and it is his responsibility and power to keep you in faith.

or is it yours.

as we see from many post. everyone prety much knows your view. so I am not saying anything others do not already know.
 

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I call it oneness because studyman thinks that the Pharisees were devil worshipers, they had thrown out the Torah, and created a counterfit anti-God religion . and then Jesus came to set things right and put the whole world under the Torah, properly.
so, since studyman denies the Trinity, he refuses to think that Christianity and Judaism are different.
 

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If heaven isn't paradise, then what is it. More mankind interference with the Word of God. Our Lord said "today you will be with me in paradise." Jesus Christ is in Paradise, Heaven or whatever name one chooses to you. How nitpicky it is to try and change the meaning of the words of our Lord, Jesus Christ
 

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Scripture is to be read, studied within the context, not just a verse by verse. However, if one believes God's Word contradicts itself, the problem lies with that individual. I take God's Word within the context of the chapter and not just the verse but if God tells us in John 3:16 about our salvation, then I believe every word in that verse.
 

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I believe in eternal salvation provided for us as a gift from our Lord God Almighty, maker of all that is. I believe in the redemption He provides for us through that free gift of salvation. I do not believe that we have to do works just to maintain that salvation. For anyone who thinks they have to "work" to hold onto their salvation, they must be drained from having to "work" 24/7, 365 days a year.
 

Studyman

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a few weeks ago, I told studyman of a young lady at my church coming to faith in Christ after a failed suicide attempt. I pointed out that his cold, lifeless, command keeping religion does not get the results that telling folks of the grace and love of God that He has for us, and salvation is freely given if one believes in and trusts Jesus for it.

studyman's response- lol! will you now post pictures of starving children and ask for money.

his words- thread- yoke of bondage-post #377.

just wanted to let you know what he thinks of salvation by Christ alone.

I don't listen to men who use the hardships of folks as a tool to exalt themselves above others, or as a club to beat on those with whom they disagree, or to enrich themselves, or to promote their religion.

Matt. 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.


well, since ,at least as far I remember, you have never explained the mount of transfiguration experience , and how it fits into your religion, maybe you may see fit to attempt to explain ( though I doubt you will ).
now, here is another thing you won't touch, your religion won't let you-
a young lady gave her testimony in my church today, a hard life, that ended up in a failed suicide attempt. ( took a bottle of pills. )
afterwards , she said that she was not sure if God had given her a second chance, or she just got lucky.
she then began coming to my church, and she said for the first time in her life she heard that God loved her, he could heal her pain, .gave her life to Christ, and stated that now she has joy in Him, and reads the Bible regularly.
she added that the people at my church made her feel welcome and loved.
can your man-made religion do this? no. it is cold, lifeless, with no love. only a set of demands and instructions with the threat of hell to back them up.
this is not a game to me studyman. there are millions of lost and hurting people in this broken, sinful world that need Jesus.
and those of us who are trying to help them, you and any like you stand in the way with all the command keeping for salvation crap.
so, you might want to consider this- you are doing the ememy;'s work, wheither you are meaning to or not.
When I wasn't goaded into responding the way you wanted. You used this poor woman as a club again.


so, nothing on my post #363 , a girl accepts Jesus, something that should bring joy to every believer , to see a lost and hurting soul coming to Christ. your silence was expected. your cold, lifeless , man-made religion cares nothing about the joy of a lost soul coming to Christ.
Christians want people to come to Christ. that's it.
you and the other Judeaizers end goal is to get folks under the Law. your religion uses the Lord Jesus as a tool to point to Sinai, not the cross.
so, dress it up, dress it down, that is all you are trying to do.
the ultimate test of any theology is this- does it bring people to Christ?
yours does not. it is not designed not.
I don't believe in your religion just as I don't believe the Pharisees. But I don't use the suffering of people as a tool to hurt those with whom I disagree, and I do not condone the use of poor, hurting, starving people to fill the coffers of some religious franchise so the "Preachers" can live like kings off the "charity".

So I finally responded to your goading with the truth.


Perfect G9.
LOL, Will you now post pictures of starving children and ask for money?
What self proclaimed Christian "Theology" doesn't claim to lead folks to Christ? Can you name one that doesn't? You call Catholics False preachers, and Catholicism a False Religion.
How many "hurting souls" were convinced by the Catholic Church to "come to Christ" through them? Billions G9. Yet, you condemn them all as partakers of a Fake Religion.
How is your religion any different than theirs? Are your man made traditions somehow more Holy than theirs? Is the images of Christ they created somehow less holy than the images of Christ in other churches?
I love it when you post things G9.

Now you are continuing to misrepresent our conversation to further exalt yourself over those you have deemed yourself superior to.

This is your religion.
 

Studyman

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as usual You skirt the actual issue, and try to blame shift.

The fact you did not respond to my questions about your belief proves this.

As for discussing scripture with you. So many people have discussed those passages with you, it is a mute point now.

The question is. Do you think God saved you completely, and it is his responsibility and power to keep you in faith.

or is it yours.

as we see from many post. everyone prety much knows your view. so I am not saying anything others do not already know.
I don't believe God needs my help in saving me. He is the Author of my Salvation. So I do as He instructs.

I simply asked you some questions in reply to a statement you made that I know is false.

You refused to address my post and the Scriptures which attempted to address your error.

Now you say I am skirting the issue.

OK EG.
 

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Could you show me in my post where this statement is even implied?

Do you even remember making this statement:

I don't believe you can separate Faith in God from Honor for God, Love for God, Respect towards God, and obedience to God. If the examples in the Bible are to be considered, then these things define the faith of Abraham.
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YOKE OF BONDAGE #382


HOW is that NOT Works Righteousness?
 

BillG

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Hebrews 12:1-2 (NKJV)
Chapter 12
The Race of Faith
1 Therefore we also, since we are surrounded by so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which so easily ensnares us, and let us run with endurance the race that is set before us, 2 looking unto Jesus, the author and finisher of our faith, who for the joy that was set before Him endured the cross, despising the shame, and has sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.