Not By Works

1. I used the interpretation you have used since you have been here, have you changed your view?
2. If you read what I said, I have said what the true intepretation should be (at least for most of them)
3. If I am wrong in how I think you interpret those passages, Can you show me and everyone in the roon where I was wrong in what you think those verses mean?

I am not speaking for DC or speaking on his behalf.

He does not play games when it comes to salvation and our walk with Jesus.

I'm sure he will correct me if I'm wrong but given what you have said above he would never call you a sinner or a law breaker because you admit you sin.
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OK... he has done it over and over, even in big letters with !!!!!!!

he wrote "LAW BREAKER!!!!" and called me a "pharisee lawyer"

If Im trying to work out understang WITH you rather than trying to prove something to you I would say this; I think you ignore parts of what I say and latch on to anything you can to.

1. You never gave the meaning of those verses I posted.

You still ask this? when we have shown you so many times?

Lets see, we can start here
According to you, This is required to be saved, According to the word. this is a DESCRIPTIVE account of who is saved, Not how to get saved.

where you have people are only saved if they abide (work) if they obey (work) and if they keep Gods commands (work)

and not that they do these things because they have been saved, (ie, descriptive, those who are saved obey God, those who are not saved do not obey him)

2. According to you can someone continually commit sin* (break the Law) and still be saved? If you say no are you preaching a works based gospel?

*1 Corinthians 6:9-10, "Do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the reign of YHWH? Do not be deceived. Neither those who whore, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor greedy of gain, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers shall inherit the reign of Yah.”

1 John 3:4, "Whoever commits sin, transgresses also the Law; for sin is the transgression of the Law."

WIll I get called names because I quoted that and asked you a question about it?

Ask him why?

Can you humble yourself to repent of being wrong?



here you go again, blame shift, try to change the subject. You

1. Said I interpreted you wrong, can you prove it?

2. Said I NEVER explained what any verse said

again, I ask,

if I misinterpreted you in a verse show me and the room where I erred.

I will not answer this question until you answer mine,

Yep,

Thanks for showing you also believe one must earn their salvation, that they are saved by their ability and power to abide, do the commands, and following the law.

Sorry my friend, the law demands perfection, you have failed to fulfill those demands, let alone trying to satisfy those demands for the rest of your life, so trying to maintain your salvation by abiding and obeying is a futile attempt, and you will fail,

Start trusting God, have faith in his promise

His promise to save you completely, to perfect you forever while in process of sanctifying you, for giving you eternal life and his spirit which empowers you to obey his commands, and fullfill those verses you love to show which for the most part are descriptive passage of who a person is, (true child of God) vs prescriptive passages of what one must do. (Which s legalism and trying to save yourself by doing those things)

I have faith if you try real hard you can someday realise the difference.

I asked you t o show me where I promote "works based gospel" and to show me what those verses really meant, you are now turing it aroung and asking me.

This is how it started today:



How is it now that the burden is upin me to prove the other is teaching falsehood, when I asked you first to quote my error and show me the real meaning?

John/Yahanan 14:15, “If you love Me, keep My commandments.”

Here, I have to log off because I have some errands to do but possible we can find a starting middle ground here:

1 John 4:19, “We love Him because He first loved us.”

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

Is it love if we guard the Commands of Yah?

Should we guard the Commands of Yah?

Matt. 10:37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.
38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

Rejecting His instructions, and creating my own places me in the "Unworthy" department of those who Jesus spoke of in Matt. 7.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Maybe had they "DONE" as the Christ instructed they wouldn't have spent their life believing they were saved when they weren't.



Matt. 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

Yes, we all know you preach against this. But with the Word which became Flesh, all things are possible even if you preach they are not. And since Jesus gave me a clean slate, I can start anew each day striving to "Walk even as He Walked" with the Faith that in my weakness there is Strength in Him..



Luke 6:
46 And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?
47 Whosoever cometh to me, and heareth my sayings, and doeth them, I will shew you to whom he is like:

Maybe you have found another way EG. But I'm sticking to the Word which became Flesh.

hmm so what exactly is it you yourself are doing....?

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OBEDIENCE IS NOT PART OF SALVATION, WHICH IS A GIFT OF GOD.

HOWEVER, OBEDIENCE is spawns from the LOVE HE PUT IN OUR HEART, Rom. 5:5, the Harvest of that LOVE, like a seed that was planted in the fertile soil in our heart.

I do not know HOW I can make it more plain to YOU.

Here, I have to log off because I have some errands to do but possible we can find a starting middle ground here:

1 John 4:19, “We love Him because He first loved us.”

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."

Is it love if we guard the Commands of Yah?

Should we guard the Commands of Yah?

There are so many flavors of false religions and works salvation out there.

They all have a difference in style but are the same in substance — “works based” false gospel.

Our religion is not "works based". If is "Jesus based". True gospel.

Our religion is not "works based". If is "Jesus based". True gospel.

Our religion is not "works based". If is "Jesus based". True gospel.

So you believe eternal life is eternal, given the moment you place faith in christ and reciev his gift freely?

No your splitting hairs, sin is transgression of the Law, I even said I have committed sin worthy of death and am thinkful for Yah's mercy. You pick at any little thing you can to accuse.

Mattithyah 24:12, "And because iniquity will abound, the love of the many will grow cold."

“iniquity” is word # G458 - anomia Strong's Concordance, lawlessness, Short Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, Definition: lawlessness, iniquity, disobedience, sin

Greek Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)

1) the condition of without law 1a) because ignorant of it1b) because of violating it, 2) contempt and violation of law, iniquity, wickedness

1 John 5:2-3, "By this we know that we love the children of Yah, when we love Yah and guard His commands. For this is the love for Yah, that we guard His commands, and His commands are not heavy."