Are the words of the Messiah above all else?
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Deuteronomy 18:18-19
Does not the bible say it is The Fathers words, that Christ spoke?
and I will put My words [the fathers]in His mouth,
and He will tell them everything I command Him.
Whoever will not listen to My words [the Fathers]
which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it.
The Father is above all, even Christ the Messiah.
Does not the bible say it is The Fathers words, that Christ spoke?
and I will put My words [the fathers]in His mouth,
and He will tell them everything I command Him.
Whoever will not listen to My words [the Fathers]
which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it.
The Father is above all, even Christ the Messiah.
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Yes you are welcome, so Ill post the passage then give my view:
John/Yahanan 5:46-47, "For had you believed Mosheh, you would have believed Me, for he wrote about Me*. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"
*Mosheh wrote:
Deuteronomy 18:18-19, “I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it.”
My view:
"I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him."
YHWH is singling out a PARTICULAR "Prophet" called "the Prophet" many times in the Gospels one example is here: John was being asked who he was, "the Messiah, the Prophet" he said no to both...
John 1:20-21,20 And he confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not the Messiah.”"21 And they asked him, “What then, are you Ěliyahu?” So he said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” And he answered, “No.”"
SO YHWH says He will put His words in this particular Prophets mouth, since we know there are a number of prophets of YHWH why would a singular one be spoken of? Because:
" I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it.”"
This Prophet, "the Prophet" is the one by which all will be judged:
John/Yahanan 12:48, “He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day.”
WIthout getting to much into it we can see here that the apostles also thought that the Onespoken of IN Deut 18:18-19 was the Messiah/the Prophet as they uoted it and applied it to Yahshua the MEssiah:
Acts 7:37-38, “This is the Mosheh who said to the children of Yisra’yl, ‘יהוה your Mighty One shall raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brothers. Him you shall hear.’ This is he who was in the assembly in the wilderness with the Messenger who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our fathers, who received the living Words to give to us.”
Acts 3:19-23, “Repent therefore and turn back, for the blotting out of your sins, in order that times of refreshing might come from the presence of the Master, and that He sends יהושע Messiah, pre-appointed for you, whom heaven needs to receive until the times of restoration of all matters, of which the Mighty One spoke through the mouth of all His set-apart prophets since of old. For Mosheh truly said to the fathers, ‘יהוה your Mighty One shall raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brothers. Him you shall hear according to all matters, whatever He says to you. And it shall be that every being who does not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.”
John/Yahanan 5:46-47, "For had you believed Mosheh, you would have believed Me, for he wrote about Me*. But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?"
*Mosheh wrote:
Deuteronomy 18:18-19, “I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it.”
My view:
"I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him."
YHWH is singling out a PARTICULAR "Prophet" called "the Prophet" many times in the Gospels one example is here: John was being asked who he was, "the Messiah, the Prophet" he said no to both...
John 1:20-21,20 And he confessed, and did not deny, but confessed, “I am not the Messiah.”"21 And they asked him, “What then, are you Ěliyahu?” So he said, “I am not.” “Are you the Prophet?” And he answered, “No.”"
SO YHWH says He will put His words in this particular Prophets mouth, since we know there are a number of prophets of YHWH why would a singular one be spoken of? Because:
" I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it.”"
This Prophet, "the Prophet" is the one by which all will be judged:
John/Yahanan 12:48, “He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day.”
WIthout getting to much into it we can see here that the apostles also thought that the Onespoken of IN Deut 18:18-19 was the Messiah/the Prophet as they uoted it and applied it to Yahshua the MEssiah:
Acts 7:37-38, “This is the Mosheh who said to the children of Yisra’yl, ‘יהוה your Mighty One shall raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brothers. Him you shall hear.’ This is he who was in the assembly in the wilderness with the Messenger who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our fathers, who received the living Words to give to us.”
Acts 3:19-23, “Repent therefore and turn back, for the blotting out of your sins, in order that times of refreshing might come from the presence of the Master, and that He sends יהושע Messiah, pre-appointed for you, whom heaven needs to receive until the times of restoration of all matters, of which the Mighty One spoke through the mouth of all His set-apart prophets since of old. For Mosheh truly said to the fathers, ‘יהוה your Mighty One shall raise up for you a Prophet like me from your brothers. Him you shall hear according to all matters, whatever He says to you. And it shall be that every being who does not hear that Prophet shall be utterly destroyed from among the people.”
I agree as Yahshua says:
Yahanan/John 14:28, "You have heard that I told you: I go away, but come again to you. If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I."
BUt I want to point out and this is from the ORIGINAL POST:
I never said He was above the Father, other made that assessment of my words without reading them as that was not the statement or question I asked.
Im saying by decree of YHWH the Father Yashua is "the prophept we must hear and obey"
Yahanan/John 14:28, "You have heard that I told you: I go away, but come again to you. If you loved Me, you would have rejoiced that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I."
BUt I want to point out and this is from the ORIGINAL POST:
I never said He was above the Father, other made that assessment of my words without reading them as that was not the statement or question I asked.
Im saying by decree of YHWH the Father Yashua is "the prophept we must hear and obey"
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their is no dispute. shamah is wrong. he is a Hebrew roots propagandist. their beliefs center around one keeping the Law and the Sabbath to be saved. that is total lie.
now, as far as Deuteronomy 18 goes, it is very simple. God the Father states that He will raise up a Prophet, and Israel is to hear Him.
Jesus said that whosoever believes in Him shall have eternal life. so there is that.
God the Father came down, on the mount of transfiguration and said, in the presence of Moses ( the Law ) and Elijah ( the Prophets ), and said of the Son " this is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased . hear Him!
that means the words in red. God the Father did not say " hear me through Him".
so, that is that.
now, as far as Deuteronomy 18 goes, it is very simple. God the Father states that He will raise up a Prophet, and Israel is to hear Him.
Jesus said that whosoever believes in Him shall have eternal life. so there is that.
God the Father came down, on the mount of transfiguration and said, in the presence of Moses ( the Law ) and Elijah ( the Prophets ), and said of the Son " this is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased . hear Him!
that means the words in red. God the Father did not say " hear me through Him".
so, that is that.
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Psalm 109:2, “For wicked and deceitful mouths are opened against me, speaking against me with lying tongues.”
Isaiah 43:26, "Review the past for me, let us argue the matter together; state the case for your innocence."
Quote a single post of mine where I am in error and explain my error to me please?
Isaiah 43:26, "Review the past for me, let us argue the matter together; state the case for your innocence."
Quote a single post of mine where I am in error and explain my error to me please?
If anything this confirms what I have been saying in the entire thread:
Matthew 17:4-5, “And Kĕpha answering, said to יהושע, “Master, it is good for us to be here. If You wish, let us make here three booths: one for You, one for Mosheh, and one for Ěliyahu. While he was still speaking, see, a bright cloud overshadowed them. And see, a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is My Son, the Beloved, in whom I did delight. Hear Him!”
Deuteronomy 18:18-19, “I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it.”
"listen" is word #8085 - שָׁמַעshama` {shaw-mah'}
Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)
Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey
John/Yahanan 12:48, “He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day.”
Matthew 17:4-5, “And Kĕpha answering, said to יהושע, “Master, it is good for us to be here. If You wish, let us make here three booths: one for You, one for Mosheh, and one for Ěliyahu. While he was still speaking, see, a bright cloud overshadowed them. And see, a voice came out of the cloud, saying, “This is My Son, the Beloved, in whom I did delight. Hear Him!”
Deuteronomy 18:18-19, “I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it.”
"listen" is word #8085 - שָׁמַעshama` {shaw-mah'}
Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
A primitive root; to hear intelligently (often with implication of attention, obedience, etc.; causatively to tell, etc.)
Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar) - 1) to hear, listen to, obey
John/Yahanan 12:48, “He who rejects Me, and does not follow My words has One Who judges him. The word that I have spoken, the same will be used to judge him in the last day.”
Yes that is not in question. But since all authority in heaven and on earth has been give over to Him and He and His Father are one and the same, it is correct to say He is in charge. For He who sees Him see the Father. He chooses who to reveal Him to - in getting to learn about Him -the Father.
The Great Commission Matthew 28:18
…17When they saw Him, they worshiped Him, but some doubted. 18Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,…
ALL AUTHORITY IS GIVEN OVER TO HIM, that means the Father has done just that. Yeshua is behind the wheel.
The Attitude of Christ Philippians 2:5-7
5Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to cling to, 7but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in human likeness.…
He is God , He emptied Himself - meaning into flesh = became human= a servant. This was His attitude but not who He is in essence (God). He was to teach us how to be humble , though we are purposed for great things in Him.
It is clear He is God:
The Beginning
John 1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made. 4In Him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
So I am not sure what is even in question, or what the argument is. I do think Sha's post question is a good one. I think it is great funny to grow and learn together. God Bless!
The Great Commission Matthew 28:18
…17When they saw Him, they worshiped Him, but some doubted. 18Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit,…
ALL AUTHORITY IS GIVEN OVER TO HIM, that means the Father has done just that. Yeshua is behind the wheel.
The Attitude of Christ Philippians 2:5-7
5Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus: 6Who, existing in the form of God, did not consider equality with God something to cling to, 7but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in human likeness.…
He is God , He emptied Himself - meaning into flesh = became human= a servant. This was His attitude but not who He is in essence (God). He was to teach us how to be humble , though we are purposed for great things in Him.
It is clear He is God:
The Beginning
John 1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made. 4In Him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
So I am not sure what is even in question, or what the argument is. I do think Sha's post question is a good one. I think it is great funny to grow and learn together. God Bless!
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