OSAS= House Built on Sand

You can't use greedy pastors as an excuse for your greed and for being an unprofitable servant. God will cast you into the outer darkness where there will be wailing and gnashing of teeth. God can see straight through your false excuses for not obeying the command to give.

You don't have to be a part of Joel Osteens Church, you can join a true Church where the Gospel is preached and they do the work of the Lord. You can't hide behind devils and use them as an excuse to live a life of sin, God will judge everyone by their works and when you come before Him and say I didn't do any works because there were too many false Churches He will cast you out as an unprofitable servant and liar.

You are twisting scriptures to justify your wickedness and greed, you can only do that until your appointed time when you find yourself standing before God to receive your judgement.
You are on the road that leads to hell, you repent and start obeying Gods Word, instead of changing it to justify your life of sin.

I would suggest you have a closer look at your Bible, and learn what is expected of those who follow Christ. You will discover that giving sacrificially is a very important component of the Christian life, and those who don't are not true believers.

Luk 14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.

Luk 14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.

Joh 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;
Joh 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Mat 10:1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.

Mat 10:8 Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.

Luk 10:1 After these things the Lord appointed other seventy also, and sent them two and two before his face into every city and place, whither he himself would come.

Luk 10:17 And the seventy returned again with joy, saying, Lord, even the devils are subject unto us through thy name.
Luk 10:18 And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
Luk 10:19 Behold, I give unto you power to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall by any means hurt you.
Luk 10:20 Notwithstanding in this rejoice not, that the spirits are subject unto you; but rather rejoice, because your names are written in heaven.

One cannot cast out devils without first believe in or through the name of Jesus.

Mat 10:1 And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples, he gave them power against unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease.
Mat 10:2 Now the names of the twelve apostles are these; The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother;
Mat 10:3 Philip, and Bartholomew; Thomas, and Matthew the publican; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus;
Mat 10:4 Simon the Canaanite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed him.

Mar 6:30 And the apostles gathered themselves together unto Jesus, and told him all things, both what they had done, and what they had taught.

Luk 6:13 And when it was day, he called unto him his disciples: and of them he chose twelve, whom also he named apostles;

Luk 6:16 And Judas the brother of James, and Judas Iscariot, which also was the traitor.

Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

One cannot cast out a spirit or heal the sick without believing on Jesus or in His name.

Mar 9:38 And John answered him, saying, Master, we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbad him, because he followeth not us.
Mar 9:39 But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me.

Joh 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
Joh 14:13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
Joh 14:14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.

Didn't Judas do the same works as Jesus? Then he believed on Jesus and in His name.

Joh 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

Act 16:31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

Joh 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
Joh 15:5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.

Mat 14:29 And he said, Come. And when Peter was come down out of the ship, he walked on the water, to go to Jesus.
Mat 14:30 But when he saw the wind boisterous, he was afraid; and beginning to sink, he cried, saying, Lord, save me.

What happened to Peter when he start to doubt or stopped believing on Jesus?
The power of God started to wan.
Judas believe, because he cast out devils and healed the sick.
I say that because the power of God does not work in anyone's life without first believing on Jesus and in His name.
Even as Peter started to sink when He doubted, the same would have happened to Judas if he doubted.
According to your faith be it unto you.
Judas obviously had faith in Jesus to heal and cast out spirits.

By the way, I never said that I didn't give to a church, you just assumed that I didn't.

Well Judas by transgression fell. He is good of fulfilling prophecy, his place is in hell and in case is such a warning to those who pretend to believe. Of course, no one is going to be happy on his present condition.

Acts 1:20 For it is written in the book of Psalms, Let his habitation be desolate, and let no man dwell therein: and his bishoprick let another take.

The Golden Rule
Mat 7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
Mat 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
A Tree and Its Fruit
Mat 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
I Never Knew You
Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Luk 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able.
Luk 13:25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are:
Luk 13:26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets.
Luk 13:27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity.

The Parable of the Ten Virgins
Mat 25:1 Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.
Mat 25:2 And five of them were wise, and five were foolish.
Mat 25:3 They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them:
Mat 25:4 But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps.
Mat 25:5 While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept.
Mat 25:6 And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom cometh; go ye out to meet him.
Mat 25:7 Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps.
Mat 25:8 And the foolish said unto the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out.
Mat 25:9 But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go ye rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves.
Mat 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.
Mat 25:11 Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us.
Mat 25:12 But he answered and said, Verily I say unto you, I know you not.
Mat 25:13 Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh.

Jer 31:34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

Jer 14:10 Thus saith the LORD unto this people, Thus have they loved to wander, they have not refrained their feet, therefore the LORD doth not accept them; he will now remember their iniquity, and visit their sins.

Heb 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

Joh 5:42 But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.

God has a memory problem when it comes to the good that the wicked have done.
A virgin is considered a child of God, and yet Jesus said He didn't know the virgin knocking at the door.

Well I guess I can give you an "A" for originality, unfortunately though, an "F" for discernment. You seem to be throwing all sorts of Scripture on the wall in hopes that some will stick to this idea that Saved, sealed, believers lose their Salvation. None of which explain how Jesus said He NEVER knew them. And you are also evading the point that they cast out demons in His Name EVEN though they were NEVER saved, just as Jesus himself said.

So God can't remember that at one time His Holy Spirit was sealed in a person? Cause remember, He said HE NEVER KNEW THEM.


Where did you get this idea that a virgin equates to a Child of God? Oil is representative of the Holy Spirit all through Scripture. You can be a a clean vessel, but no matter how clean a vessel is, it is WORTHLESS without being filled with something. It is just an EMPTY, clean vessel.

5 of the virgins had no oil. They did NOT have the Holy Spirit. Their wicks quickly burned out, just like the plants that sprouted but burnt up and withered BECAUSE they had NO ROOT!

NEITHER had Jesus.

If you've ever hung around Charismatic Churches you would know that there are lots of people who think they are casting out devils and doing all sorts of other miraculous things. I remember that every time I read Matthew 7:22.


What I don't understand about Freegrace 'once saved always saved' doctrine is how it is that when a person falls away they were not only saved before they fell away but remain saved despite their falling away. But then Matthew 7:21-23 and 1 John 2:19 are used to show that if you fall away you were never saved to begin with. Can you explain the contradiction?

Thank God for modern translations.

The talent in the Parable of the Talents is the word of God, not money.

The Bible interprets itself.

Judas was a believer, he choose to become a traitor for money.


It is to those who believe and keep the faith to the end that are saved, not those who believe for a while.


Judas was a believer, a disciple then was promoted to an apostle, because he believed that Jesus was the Son of God.

The reason Judas followed the Lord is because he believed, and demonstrated he believed by continuing to follow the Lord, when other disciples turned away from Christ.


I find it difficult to believe that any person who calls themselves a Christian, would teach God's people that Jesus would disciple an unbeliever for 3 years then promote him this unbeliever to be an apostle, then empower this same unbeliever to preach the Gospel to the lost, raise the dead, cast out devils, heal the sick, [all signs of those who believe], if that person never believed.





Therefore many of His disciples, when they heard this, said, “This is a hard saying; who can understand it?”
When Jesus knew in Himself that His disciples complained about this, He said to them, “Does this offend you? What then if you should see the Son of Man ascend where He was before? It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life. But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him. And He said, “Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father.”
From that time many of His disciples went back and walked with Him no more. Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?”
But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.”
Jesus answered them, “Did I not choose you, the twelve, and one of you is a devil?” He spoke of Judas Iscariot, the son of Simon, for it was he who would betray Him, being one of the twelve. John 6:60-70


Judas Iscariot was appointed and destined by God to reign with Christ and the other Apostles in the age to come.


So Jesus said to them, “Assuredly I say to you, that in the regeneration, when the Son of Man sits on the throne of His glory, you who have followed Me will also sit on twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. Matthew 19:28


Judas Iscariot was a disciple of Jesus Christ for over three years, then was promoted to an Apostle, whereby he was empowered to preach the Gospel to the lost, heal the sick, cast out devil, and raise the dead.


And when He had called His twelve disciples to Him, He gave them power over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease. Now the names of the twelve apostles are these: first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James the son of Alphaeus, and Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus; Simon the Cananite, and Judas Iscariot, who also betrayed Him.
Matthew 10:1-4


Judas Iscariot was an Apostle of the Lord Jesus Christ, then became a traitor.


Now it came to pass in those days that He went out to the mountain to pray, and continued all night in prayer to God. And when it was day, He called His disciples to Himself; and from them He chose twelve whom He also named apostles: Simon, whom He also named Peter, and Andrew his brother; James and John; Philip and Bartholomew; Matthew and Thomas; James the son of Alphaeus, and Simon called the Zealot; Judas the son of James, and Judas Iscariot who also became a traitor. Luke 6:12-16

• Judas Iscariot who also became a traitor.

He was the one thing, then became the other.

• Saul of Tarsus was an insolent man who persecuted the Church, then became an Apostle.

He was the one thing, then became the other.




JPT

I haven't suffered loss brother.


How does teaching about greedy preachers, equate to me suffering loss?


Makes no sense.



JPT

nope.
Completely and utterly wrong. Judas never addressed Jesus as Lord, and there is no evidence he believed.

But I can see how he would be important to the you can lose your Salvation crew.

Just can't seem to wiggle out of Jesus saying he NEVER knew the guys who thought works would get them to heaven.

How did you arrive at the conclusion that the talent in the parable is the word of God. I've never heard that one before, so God gives His servants His Word and then when He returns He expects to find them with more of His Word? it doesn't make any sense.

By you focusing on greedy false preachers and ignoring the true Church tells me you have a negative view of Gods Church. We know that at least 90% of those who call themselves Christians are not true believers. It is evident by things like not giving their money in a sacrificial way.
I can quickly distinguish who true believers are and who the false Christians are by the amount of money they give. We have some in my Church and I'm sure every Church has the reprobate among it's congregation. Jesus will send them to the lake of fire, He will say to them "I was hungry and you didn't feed me".

Anyone who doesn't give sacrificially will be cast into the lake of fire, I know that every hypocrite will deny this but it's Biblical truth and I have provided many verses to prove this. We saw how God killed that man and his wife for keeping some of the money after they sold their house, so we know that God hates those who profess to believe and hold back money that should be given to the Church.

So .... then you believe that we are saved by what we do , and if we dont do what we should , God will kill us ??

I suggest you leave whatever church you go to , and find a church that teaches what dispensation we are in and rightly teaches Gods Grace .

it will set you free from the bondage your in , then you will be free to give

God's Word:

Revelation 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.



Slayer's word:

Slayer 1:1 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life does not give sacrificially was cast into the lake of fire.



I believe I'll still with God's Word on this one.

I THOUGHT YOU TEACH "ONCE SAVED, ALWAYS SAVED".

DID THE LORD JESUS MADE A MISTAKE BY CHOOSING JUDAS TO BE HIS APOSTLE?

SORRY IF I THOUGHT THAT JESUS WAS THE SON OF GOD, THE WORD THAT BECAME FLESH AND WAS GOD ACCORDING TO JOHN AND THE OTHER APOSTLES. ISN'T HE THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE?

DO YOU THINK GOD CAN MAKE A MISTAKE?

HAVE YOU HEARD OF A SCRIPT WRITER?

"SCRIPTURES"

"DISCERNMENT"

Thank you. Now I know through your own words that you are not to be taken seriously here.

I do not care to think of how someone gains satisfaction in committing to such behavior among Christians. I'll simply