OSAS= House Built on Sand

Ralph- · Aug 28, 2018

Compare this from the Parable of the Talent...

29“For to everyone who has, more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but from the one who does not have, even what he does have shall be taken away. "-Matthew 25:29

...with this from the Parable of the Sower:

12“For whoever has, to him more shall be given, and he will have an abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has shall be taken away from him."-Matthew 13:12

Jesus says the exact same thing about the talent as he does the seed. And the seed is interpreted for us by Jesus as being the word of the kingdom:

18“Hear then the parable of the sower. 19“When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it..."-Matthew 13:18-19

So we see that the talent is just another analogy for the seed, which is the word of God about the kingdom. People get tossed into the lake of fire for not acting on and bringing increase to the knowledge of the kingdom they have received. They hear the gospel and then just sit on it and do nothing. And worse, think they are saved simply because they have received a bit of knowledge about the kingdom.

Slayer said:

In God's economy knowledge begets knowledge. When you act on the knowledge you have, showing yourself to be faithful, God gives you more knowledge to faithful with and act on. That's how we grow up in the Lord. If you don't ever act on the knowledge God gives you and you never get saved, you eventually lose it as when a bird plucks it away from the ground. You don't get to keep knowledge that you reject and refuse to act on. That's how God works. And he does this so that the one who rejects the gospel of the kingdom by refusing to act on it will be condemned.

Endoscopy · Aug 28, 2018

Slayer said:

This is a very controversial issue. There are differing points of view on this topic. All Biblical. Sat though a class covering this topic as an elder.

Endoscopy · Aug 28, 2018

Seohce said:

WHAT A SHAME. NOTICE AND WATCH THESE OSAS PASTORS AND CHURCH LEADERS WHO CLAIM AND DECLARE THAT “FAITH ALONE” SAVES AND IT IS “NOT BY WÒRKS” OF RIGHTEOUSNESS AND OBEDIENCE, WHILE ON THE OTHER HAND COLLECTS TITHES FROM THEIR MEMBERS SAYING THAT IF THEY WOULD NOT GIVE TITHES, THEY ARE ROBBING GOD.

19 Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame.

..THAT TITHE-GIVING IS A TEST OF FAITH AND THAT GOD WILL BLESS THEM ABUNDANTLY BECAUSE WHAT THEY GIVE WILL COME BACK TO THEM IN GOOD MEASURE AND RUNNING OVER.(luke 6:38)

“NOT BY WORKS” OF THE LAW, THEY SAY, BUT THEY COLLECT TITHES ACCORDING TO THE LAW WHILE AT THE SAME TIME CLAIM THAT THEY ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW.

THEY HAVE CREATED A MAN MADE DOCTRINE PASSED ON FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION OUT OF A GOD-GIVEN LAW FOR HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE.

THAT’S HOW THESE VIPERS IN THEIR GREED AND HYPOCRISY DECEIVE THEIR PREYS.(UNKNOWING VICTIMS)

THEY THINK THEY CAN BRIBE GOD.

33 Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God!
How unsearchable his judgments,
and his paths beyond tracing out!
34 “Who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has been his counselor?”
35 “Who has ever given to God,
that God should repay them?”
36 For from him and through him and for him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen.

THESE VIPERS WILL STILL BE SAVED ACCORDING TO THE OSAS DOCTRINE…

...WHICH IS CONTRARY TO WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES.

11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or GREEDY, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.

9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves nor the GREEDY nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or GREEDY person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7 Therefore do not be partners with them.

MAN GOT SEPARATED FROM GOD BECAUSE OF THE SIN OF DISOBEDIENCE WHEN MAN WAS DECEIVED BY THE SERPENT WHO SAID THAT “...Ye shall not surely die.”(genesis 3:4)

DÈCEIVERS OF THIS AGE SAYS THE SAME THING;

“YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE (PERIßH / BE CONDEMNED). ONCE YOU'RE SAVED, YOU ARE ALWAYS ßAVED. JUST HAVE FAITH VOID OF WORKS (OF RIGHTEOUSNESS / ÒBEDIENCE) AND YOU WILL POSSESS ETERNAL LIFE THE MOMENT YOU BELIEVE

DO NOT BE DECEIVED!!!

OSAS AND FAS ARE FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINES!!!

3 What if some were unfaithful? Will their unfaithfulness nullify God’s faithfulness?4 Not at all! Let God be true, and every human being a liar. As it is written:

“So that you may be proved right when you speak
and prevail when you judge.”

I go by what Jesus says. How do those in his hand lose salvation?
Methinks OSAS is correct!!

John 10:27 to 30 AMPC
27 The sheep that are My own hear and are listening to My voice; and I know them, and they follow Me.
28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never lose it or perish throughout the ages. [To all eternity they shall never by any means be destroyed.] And no one is able to snatch them out of My hand.
29 My Father, Who has given them to Me, is greater and mightier than all [else]; and no one is able to snatch [them] out of the Father’s hand.
30 I and the Father are One.

dcontroversal · Aug 28, 2018

Slayer said:

I suggest you leave the legalistic church you are a member of and find a church that teaches the truth.....I know the bible just fine and it states...

a. God loves cheerful giver
b. LET EVERY MAN set aside what HE determines to give

AND no where does the bible state that if a man does not give liberally that he is going to end up in hell...that is about as moronic as it comes....

dcontroversal · Aug 28, 2018

Endoscopy said:

I go by what Jesus says. How do those in his hand lose salvation?
Methinks OSAS is correct!!

John 10:27 to 30 AMPC
27 The sheep that are My own hear and are listening to My voice; and I know them, and they follow Me.
28 And I give them eternal life, and they shall never lose it or perish throughout the ages. [To all eternity they shall never by any means be destroyed.] And no one is able to snatch them out of My hand.
29 My Father, Who has given them to Me, is greater and mightier than all [else]; and no one is able to snatch [them] out of the Father’s hand.
30 I and the Father are One.

I can agree with this ^^^^^^^^

dcontroversal · Aug 28, 2018

GRASSESANDDRAGONFLIES said:

I could have told you that the day he posted that men who do not give as much as his religious legalistic church teaches will end up in hell......

dcontroversal · Aug 28, 2018

Slayer said:

Nobody believe the above false drivel "BOLDED" the bible does not teach such foolishness....only hyper legalistic false religions teach such foolishness.....and the underlined reeks of ignorance of context and exactly why they were judged and NO WHERE does it say the ended up in hell...

WOW MAN...you need to study more and open your eyes

justpassinthrough · Aug 28, 2018

PennEd said:

The evidence he believed is found in the scriptures and the simple fact Jesus promoted him to an Apostle.

I gave you the scripture that shows us he believed, and demonstrated he believed by continuing to follow Christ when the other disciples turned away from Him.

Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God

Then Jesus said to the twelve, “Do you also want to go away?”
But Simon Peter answered Him, “Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life. Also we have come to believe and know that You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.” John 6:67-70

If you have a scripture that shows us Jesus ordained apostles who were unbelievers then please post it.

JPT

justpassinthrough · Aug 28, 2018

Slayer said:

I guess you didn’t read my testimony.

I don’t focus on greedy preachers.

I don’t ignore the massive waste of money being used to build massive ornate building and maintain them either.

It takes a seasoned balanced perspective to understand these things.

Hopefully some day you will understand.

JPT

Ralph- · Aug 28, 2018

Endoscopy said:

1 John 2:24 shows us that this passage does not mean you yourself can not stop abiding in Christ. And John makes it clear in 1 John 5:12 that you do not have eternal life if you do not have the Son.

You have to continue in your faith in Christ to continue to have the life. Nobody can snatch you away but you must continue in Him.

Ralph- · Aug 28, 2018

dcontroversal said:

Turning away from those in need shows you do not have the love of God in salvation in you.

John said the one who does not love is not born again. That's the connection between giving and the lake of fire Slayer is trying to make albeit in a rather legalistic way.

UnderGrace · Aug 28, 2018

GRASSESANDDRAGONFLIES said:

Yes key point "not to be taken seriously"

Remember we are all dumb sheep, that was my first clue.

UnderGrace · Aug 28, 2018

Endoscopy said:

HOORAY!!!!

Of course it is correct. That is the whole point of Jesus coming.

I have no idea why people think they are going to better than Adam and Eve, Jesus made so we can never be lost.

GRASSESANDDRAGONFLIES · Aug 28, 2018

dcontroversal said:

I did see that post. I thought they had run across one of the many wolves in the pulpit that we hear about. Which is why I had hoped we could reach him with the truth.
I'm an optimist by nature.

UnderGrace said:

Everyone needs a hobby. Unfortunately, some hobbies involve mocking the faithful.
Which says quite a lot about the mocker. I don't think such lost ones need attention, which is why I don't pay that to them now. I do think they need one thing though.

If others would agree we may make a real difference in someone who appears at least to want to make a real scene here. I wonder too if their co-conspirator is THE ALL CAPITAL LETTERS SPREACHER that demonstrates the same lack of scriptural acuity.
OH Lord, could it be a tag-team?

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Seohce · Aug 28, 2018

WHAT A SHAME. NOTICE AND WATCH THESE OSAS PASTORS AND CHURCH LEADERS WHO CLAIM AND DECLARE THAT “FAITH ALONE” SAVES AND IT IS “NOT BY WÒRKS” OF RIGHTEOUSNESS AND OBEDIENCE, WHILE ON THE OTHER HAND COLLECTS TITHES FROM THEIR MEMBERS SAYING THAT IF THEY WOULD NOT GIVE TITHES, THEY ARE ROBBING GOD.

19 Their destiny is destruction, their god is their stomach, and their glory is in their shame.

..THAT TITHE-GIVING IS A TEST OF FAITH AND THAT GOD WILL BLESS THEM ABUNDANTLY BECAUSE WHAT THEY GIVE WILL COME BACK TO THEM IN GOOD MEASURE AND RUNNING OVER.(luke 6:38)

“NOT BY WORKS” OF THE LAW, THEY SAY, BUT THEY COLLECT TITHES ACCORDING TO THE LAW WHILE AT THE SAME TIME CLAIM THAT THEY ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW.

THEY HAVE CREATED A MAN MADE DOCTRINE PASSED ON FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION OUT OF A GOD-GIVEN LAW FOR HIS CHOSEN PEOPLE.

THAT’S HOW THESE VIPERS IN THEIR GREED AND HYPOCRISY DECEIVE THEIR PREYS.(UNKNOWING VICTIMS)

THEY THINK THEY CAN BR IBE GOD.

33 Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God!
How unsearchable his judgments,
and his paths beyond tracing out!
34 “Who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has been his counselor?”
35 “Who has ever given to God,
that God should repay them?”
36 For from him and through him and for him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen.

THESE VIPERS WILL STILL BE SAVED ACCORDING TO THE OSAS DOCTRINE…

...WHICH IS CONTRARY TO WHAT THE BIBLE TEACHES.

11 But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or GREEDY, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.

9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men 10 nor thieves nor the GREEDY nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

5 For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or GREEDY person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. 7 Therefore do not be partners with them.

MAN GOT SEPARATED FROM GOD BECAUSE OF THE SIN OF DISOBEDIENCE WHEN MAN WAS DECEIVED BY THE SERPENT WHO SAID THAT “...Ye shall not surely die.”(genesis 3:4)

DÈCEIVERS OF THIS AGE SAYS THE SAME THING;

“YE SHALL NOT SURELY DIE (PERIßH / BE CONDEMNED). ONCE YOU'RE SAVED, YOU ARE ALWAYS ßAVED. JUST HAVE FAITH VOID OF WORKS (OF RIGHTEOUSNESS / ÒBEDIENCE) AND YOU WILL POSSESS ETERNAL LIFE THE MOMENT YOU BELIEVE

DO NOT BE DECEIVED!!!

OSAS AND FAS ARE FALSE MAN MADE DOCTRINES!!!

3 What if some were unfaithful? Will their unfaithfulness nullify God’s faithfulness?4 Not at all! Let God be true, and every human being a liar. As it is written:

“So that you may be proved right when you speak
and prevail when you judge.”

Seohce · Aug 28, 2018

IT’S DISAPPOINTING TO LEARN THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE CLAIMING TO BE CHRISTIANS CLING OR TRUST MAN MADE DOCTRINES MORE THAN THE TRUTH IN THE SCRIPTURES.

2 Timothy 3:15-17 and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

THESE SELF-PROCLAIMED CHRISTIANS WOULD REJECT GOD’S WORDS, LAWS AND COMMANDS TO DEFEND WHAT WAS TAUGHT TO THEM BY THEIR CHURCH LEADERS.

Mark 7:6-13 He replied, “Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you HYPOCRITES; as it is written: “‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; THEIR TEACHINGS ARE BUT RULES TAUGHT BY MEN.’ You have let go of the commands of God and are holding on to the traditions of men.” And he said to them: “YOU HAVE A FINE WAY OF SETTING ASIDE THE COMMANDS OF GOD in order to observe your own traditions! For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and your mother,’ and, ‘Anyone who CURSES his father or mother must be put to death.’ But you say that if a man says to his father or mother: ‘Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is Corban’ (that is, a gift devoted to God), then YOU NO LONGER LET HIM DO ANYTHING for his father or mother. Thus YOU NULLIFY THE WORD OF GOD by your tradition that you have handed down. And YOU DO MANY THINGS LIKE THAT”

TO THEIR SHAME, THESE PEOPLE CLAIM TO KNOW GOD BUT BY THEIR ACTIONS THEY DENY HIM.( titus 1:16)

THEY CLAIM TO BE ETERNALLY SAVED ALTHOUGH THEY ARE DEAD IN THE EYES OF GOD (rev 3:1-6)

THEY NOT ONLY APPROVE OF THOSE WHO MOCK GOD AND TRAMPLED THE SON OF GOD UNDER FOOT.(psalms 49:13-15)

Hebrews 10:28-29 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God under foot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified him, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?

BUT THEY EVEN PRAISE THE ONE WHO CALLS JESUS “CURSED" WHILE MOCKING AND INSULTING THOSE WHO PROMOTE OBEDIENCE TO GOD AND HIS WORD THROUGH THE GOSPEL OF OUR SALVATION.

Isaiah 5:20-24 Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter. Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes and clever in their own sight. Woe to those who are heroes at drinking wine and champions at mixing drinks, who acquit the guilty for a bribe, but deny justice to the innocent. Therefore, as tongues of fire lick up straw and as dry grass sinks down in the flames, so their roots will decay and their flowers blow away like dust; for THEY HAVE REJECTED THE LAW OF THE LORD ALMIGHTY AND SPURNED THE WORD OF THE HOLY ONE OF ISRAEL..

“WOE TO THOSE WHO CALL JESUS “CURSED” AND TEACHES DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD’S WORDS AND COMMANDS.”

2 John 1:5-11 And now, dear lady, I am not writing you a new command but one we have had from the beginning. I ask that we love one another. And this is love: that we walk in obedience to his commands. As you have heard from the beginning, his command is that you walk in love. Many deceivers, who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh, have gone out into the world. ANY SUCH PERSON IS THE DECEIVER AND THE ANTICHRIST. Watch out that you do not lose what you have worked for, but that you may be rewarded fully. Anyone who runs ahead and does not continue in the teaching of Christ does not have God; whoever continues in the teaching has both the Father and the Son. If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not take him into your house or welcome him. Anyone who welcomes him shares in his wicked work.

Corinthians 11:13-15 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve.

“GOD’S WŔATH COMES ON THOSE WHO ARE DIßOBEDIENT”

“GOD CANNOT BE MOCKED"

“LET GOD BE TRUE AND EVERY MAN A LIAR.”

UnderGrace · Aug 28, 2018

GRASSESANDDRAGONFLIES said:

Agree, best way to handle an attention seeker is to deny what he/she is after.

GRASSESANDDRAGONFLIES said:

Anything is possible.

GRASSESANDDRAGONFLIES said:

We definitely need optimists here. And humour is good too!!

GRASSESANDDRAGONFLIES · Aug 28, 2018

UnderGrace said:

Great! I've got gobs of both. She says, blushing and trying to be demure. Fails miserably, goes to kitchen for slice of, this'll-make-you-feel-better-about-that cheesecake.
Everything goes better when there's cheesecake.

Ralph- · Aug 28, 2018

UnderGrace said:

24As for you, let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father.

12He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.

1 John 2:24/ 1 John 5:12

GRASSESANDDRAGONFLIES · Aug 28, 2018

Seohce said:

Yep, they be twins.
Before I leave you to my

's , do you know who the first OSAS mega-church preacher was who taught faith alone saves? Huh, huh, do ya, do ya? Huh?

JESUS! (No, not your gardener!)
John 5:24
Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life. He does not come into judgment, but has passed from death to life.

And for one that believes in works salvation they must then to believe works condemn.

I'd be very concerned about working at Christian forums to play games . Because even if someone doesn't believe in God, bet for sure God believes in them. And see's everything they do. And one day, regardless of if they believe, they will die and pass into standing accountable for every little thing. That's not works salvation mate. That's works that lead to eternal condemnation.

Believe it or not.

Matthew 12:36-37, Jesus said, “On the day of judgment men will render account for every careless word they utter; for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

OSAS= House Built on Sand

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