Not By Works

read Numbers 18 again

Numbers 18:19
All the heave offerings of the holy things, which the children of Israel offer unto the LORD, have I given thee, and thy sons and thy daughters with thee, by a statute for ever: it [is] a covenant of salt for ever before the LORD unto thee and to thy seed with thee.

to Aaron and his sons, an everlasting covenant, their portion of everything offered to the LORD through their priesthood. what of these jots and titles? they remain. if it is the covenant Christ made with us, then we all stand hopelessly condemned, because where is the mountain, where is the temple, to what Levite do we bring our tithes and our sacrifices and our offerings?

but He made a new covenant, and brought salvation to those who were far off!

Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from Him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness, I cannot lie, and I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky.”

Look at YOU mis-quoting and misinterpreting what HE ACTUALLY SAID. ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS LOOK AT THE SENTENCE AHEAD OF IT AND THE SENTENCE BEHIND IT, TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HE JUST SAID, WAS THE PROMISE TO DAVID. It is NOT the Covenant made with ISRAEL IN THE VERSE mentioned in the verses ahead of that.

Psalm 89:33-35 (NCV)
33 But I will not hold back my love from David, nor will I stop being loyal.
34 I will not break my agreement nor change what I have said.
35 I have promised by my holiness, I will not lie to David.

Psalm 89:33-35 (GWT)
33 But I will not take my mercy away from him or allow my truth to become a lie.
34 I will not dishonor my promise or alter my own agreement.
35 On my holiness I have taken an oath once and for all: I will not lie to David.

Look at YOU mis-quoting and misinterpreting what HE ACTUALLY SAID. ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS LOOK AT THE SENTENCE AHEAD OF IT AND THE SENTENCE BEHIND IT, TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HE JUST SAID, WAS THE PROMISE TO DAVID. It is NOT the Covenant made with ISRAEL IN THE VERSE mentioned in the verses ahead of that.

Psalm 89:33-35 (NCV)
33 But I will not hold back my love from David, nor will I stop being loyal.
34 I will not break my agreement nor change what I have said.
35 I have promised by my holiness, I will not lie to David.

Psalm 89:33-35 (GWT)
33 But I will not take my mercy away from him or allow my truth to become a lie.
34 I will not dishonor my promise or alter my own agreement.
35 On my holiness I have taken an oath once and for all: I will not lie to David.

Look at YOU mis-quoting and misinterpreting what HE ACTUALLY SAID. ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS LOOK AT THE SENTENCE AHEAD OF IT AND THE SENTENCE BEHIND IT, TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HE JUST SAID, WAS THE PROMISE TO DAVID. It is NOT the Covenant made with ISRAEL IN THE VERSE mentioned in the verses ahead of that.

Psalm 89:33-35 (NCV)
33 But I will not hold back my love from David, nor will I stop being loyal.
34 I will not break my agreement nor change what I have said.
35 I have promised by my holiness, I will not lie to David.

Psalm 89:33-35 (GWT)
33 But I will not take my mercy away from him or allow my truth to become a lie.
34 I will not dishonor my promise or alter my own agreement.
35 On my holiness I have taken an oath once and for all: I will not lie to David.

Look at YOU mis-quoting and misinterpreting what HE ACTUALLY SAID. ALL YOU NEED TO DO IS LOOK AT THE SENTENCE AHEAD OF IT AND THE SENTENCE BEHIND IT, TO UNDERSTAND WHAT HE JUST SAID, WAS THE PROMISE TO DAVID. It is NOT the Covenant made with ISRAEL IN THE VERSE mentioned in the verses ahead of that.

Psalm 89:33-35 (NCV)
33 But I will not hold back my love from David, nor will I stop being loyal.
34 I will not break my agreement nor change what I have said.
35 I have promised by my holiness, I will not lie to David.

Psalm 89:33-35 (GWT)
33 But I will not take my mercy away from him or allow my truth to become a lie.
34 I will not dishonor my promise or alter my own agreement.
35 On my holiness I have taken an oath once and for all: I will not lie to David.

but, this is the only way their " theology " works- ignore context and chronological order, and pay no attention to whom the thing that was said to.

just throw out verses, write in their own opinions , and call it " theology . wow.

John/Yahanan 14:23, "Yahshua answered, and said to him: If a man loves Me, he will keep My teachings and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him."

but, Christ was not speaking of the Law of Moses. '

God the Father said of the Son " hear Him ".

the Father did NOT say " hear My words through Him.

Trinity. truth. oneness. lie.

He spoke the Law of YHWH and gave perfect example of how to walk in it...

Matthew 5:17-19, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill. For truly, I say to you, till the heaven and the earth pass away, one yod or one tittle shall by no means pass from the Torah till all be done. Whoever, then, breaks one of the least of these commands, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the reign of the heavens; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the reign of the heavens.”

Mat 19:16-17, "And see, one came and said to Him, “Good Teacher, what good shall I do to have everlasting life? And He said to him, “Why do you call Me good? No one is good except One – YHWH. But if you wish to enter into life, guard the commands.”



The Father EXACTLY said "hear My words through Him"

Deuteronomy 18:18-19, “I (YHWH) will raise up for them a Prophet (Yahshua/Jesus) like you from among their brothers, and I will put My words in His mouth, and He will tell them everything I command Him. Whoever will not listen to My words, which He speaks in My Name, I will judge him for it.”

John/Yahanan 7:16-17, “Yahshua answered, them, and said: My doctrine is not Mine, but His Who sent Me. If any man will do His will, he will know about this teaching, whether it comes from YHWH, or whether I am speaking of My own authority.”

John 5:43, “I have come in My Father's Name, but you do not follow Me. Let another come in his own name; him you will follow.”



Not sure what you are implying here.

what I am saying is this- you and the other Hebrew roots/sda push the lie that one has to keep the Law / Sabbath to be saved , as well as having faith in Christ.

denying the Trinity is one of the primary deceptions your group uses, to claim that the N.T. and O.T. are the same. they are not.

I get how you can see that, but what do you think about this part:

The Covenant stands fast with the Messiah: all BOLDED words are speaking of the Messiah

Psalm 89:26-37, “He will call out to Me; ‘You are My Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of My salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him. And I will establish His Seed forever, and His throne will be as the days of heaven. Should His children forsake My Law, and refuse to walk in My judgments; Should they profane My statutes, and fail to keep My commandments; Then I will punish their transgression with the rod, and their iniquity with lashes from the whip. Nevertheless, My lovingkindness I will not utterly withdraw from Him, nor will I ever betray My faithfulness. My covenant I will not break, nor will I change what has gone out of My lips. Once for all, I have vowed by My holiness, I cannot lie, and I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever like the moon: the faithful witness in the sky.”

"I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth"

who is firstborn AND higher than the kings of the earth?

Revelation 1:5 and from יהושע Messiah, the trustworthy witness, the first-born from the dead, and the ruler of the sovereigns of the earth. To Him who loved us and washed us from our sins in His own blood,"

" I will establish His Seed forever, and His throne will be as the days of heaven"

Was the Messiah a decendant of Dawid?

Psalms 132:11-12,11 יהוה has sworn in truth to Dawiḏ; He does not turn from it, “Of the fruit of your body I set upon your throne."12 “If your sons guard My covenant And My witnesses that I teach them, Their sons shall sit upon your throne forever.”"

"I say to David; His Seed will endure forever, and his throne will endure before Me like the sun. His throne will be established forever"

Revelation 11:15 Then the seventh angel sounded; and there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of YHWH and of His Messiah; and He will reign forever and ever."

Hebrews 1:8-14,8 But to the Son He says, “Your throne, O Elohim, is forever and ever, a sceptre of straightness is the sceptre of Your reign."9 “You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness. Because of this, Elohim, Your Elohim, has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than Your companions.” Psa 45:6-7."10 And, “You, Master, did found the earth in the beginning, and the heavens are the work of Your hands."11 “They shall perish, but You remain. And they shall all grow old like a garment,"12 and like a mantle You shall fold them up, and they shall be changed. But You are the same, and Your years shall not fail.” Psa 102:25-27."13 And to which of the messengers did He ever say, “Sit at My right hand, until I make Your enemies a footstool for Your feet”? Psa 110:1."14 Are they not all serving spirits sent out to attend those who are about to inherit deliverance?"

I could give a ton more verses showing this, each is free to view things the way they choose...

You don't get that His Covenant with ISRAEL is an everlasting Covenant? I am surprised at you, but maybe you do not know that GOD has put the Covenant between God and Israel on HOLD between after the End of the 69 Week of Daniel, and then comes the Church-Age or Times of the Gentiles, and when the Church-Age is OVER at the Calling Out of the Bride (Rapture); then the 70th Week of Daniel Begins.



That chart is pretty accurate as far as I can tell. It is a WEEK of YEARS, the 70th Week begin, until the Church is Complete. It literally is on hold. Every Jew that comes to accept JESUS as their Messiah and Lord, automatically becomes part of the Church during this age. You may find it very interesting, that the JEWS are actively planning to build a Third Temple in the near future. https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/third-temple-news.155526/page-24

Genesis 17:7 (HCSB)
7 I will keep My covenant between Me and you, and your future offspring throughout their generations, as an everlasting covenant to be your God and the ⌊God⌋ of your offspring after you.

GOD is not finished with with ISRAEL, and He will not be as long as MORTAL MAN walks the face of this Earth.

The Covenant stands fast with the Messiah: all BOLDED words are speaking of the Messiah

Psalm 89:26-37, “He will call out to Me; ‘You are My Father, O YHWH! You are the Rock of My salvation!’ And I will make Him My firstborn, higher than the kings of the earth. My mercy I will keep for Him forever and My covenant will stand fast with Him..

Psalms 105:6-10, “O seed of Aḇraham His servant, Children of Ya‛aqoḇ, His chosen ones! He is יהוה our Strength; His right-rulings are in all the earth. He has remembered His covenant forever, The Word He commanded, for a thousand generations, The covenant He made with Abraham, And His oath to Yitsḥaq, And established it to Ya‛aqoḇ for a law, To Yisra’yl – an everlasting covenant.”

Stero typing as usual.

Yahshua decieds who is saved, He seperates the "sheep" from the "goats" Those that have true faith will go toward Yah and will walk in His path and will.

The trinity debate is not vital to me because Jesus never says belief or disbelief in the trinity has any effect on salvation.

Finally the only reason the terms "OT" and "NT" exist are because Marcion who said the "OT" "God" was mean and angry and the "NT" "God" was kind and nice and overthrew the "OT" "God" ohh and he rejects the brother of the Messiah James and only accepted Paul's writings.

ohh yeah, sheep and goats:

Mat 25:31-46, “And when the Son of Aḏam comes in His esteem, and all the set-apart messengers with Him, then He shall sit on the throne of His esteem. And all the nations shall be gathered before Him, and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats. And He shall set the sheep on His right hand, but the goats on the left. Then the Sovereign shall say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the reign prepared for you from the foundation of the world for I was hungry and you gave Me food, I was thirsty and you gave Me drink, I was a stranger and you took Me in, was naked and you clothed Me, I was sick and you visited Me, I was in prison and you came to Me. Then the righteous shall answer Him, saying, ‘Master, when did we see You hungry and we fed You, or thirsty and gave You to drink? And when did we see You a stranger and took You in, or naked and clothed You? And when did we see You sick, or in prison, and we came to You? And the Sovereign shall answer and say to them, ‘Truly, I say to you, in so far as you did it to one of the least of these My brothers, you did it to Me. He shall then also say to those on the left hand, ‘Go away from Me, accursed ones, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his messengers for I was hungry and you gave Me no food, I was thirsty and you gave Me no drink, I was a stranger and you did not take Me in, was naked and you did not clothe Me, sick and in prison and you did not visit Me. Then they also shall answer Him, saying, ‘Master, when did we see You hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not serve You? Then He shall answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, in so far as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me. And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life.”