LOYALTY TO COUNTRY OR LOYALTY TO YOUR RELIGIOUS PREACHERS FIRST ?

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What should a Christian do if for example he supports his president and his polices policies but his pastors or bishops do not but instead voice their opposition through media, on the streets or both?

What if his pastors or bishops are secretly planning to oust the president or voice their opinion that he steps down whereas a Christian supports him?

What should a Christian do in this scenario?
 
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Jesus told his disciples: “If you were part of the world, the world would be fond of what is its own. Now because you are no part of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, on this account the world hates you. . . . If they have persecuted me, they will persecute you also.” (John 15:19, 20) So, the Bible shows we have a clear choice. At James 4:4 we read: “Do you not know that the friendship with the world is enmity with God? Whoever, therefore, wants to be a friend of the world is constituting himself an enemy of God.” God also has his standards for friendship, and they are not in harmony with those of the world of sinful mankind.—Psalm 15:1-5.

Thus, by keeping free from involvement in the world’s affairs (including those of the U.S. for those of us who reside in this country), God’s servants do not contribute to its divisive nationalism, its racialism, or its social conflicts.
 

Jackson123

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The world not love us, the world and politic deceive us. Only Jesus love us. Do not trust politician, most of them for nwo. Most of them work for the antichrist.

About 5 years ago, I am involve in Indonesian bible discussion online. One of the member is work for congress man, he told us that most Indonesian congress member are work for money. He think they work for american interest. Every body get money to make a law in favor of america.

I told him. You are wrong. They aren't work for america, behind what you call america is globalist.

America is one of the victim like Indonesia and all the country in the world. It is in the bible we can't stop It. Some people say, jesuit behind all this mess. And i believe It because pope promote this government.

Pope innocent 3 reveal who the pope is

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Who am I and of what lineage that I should take my place above kings? For to me it is said in the prophets, ‘I have this day set thee over nations and over the kingdoms, to root out and pull down, and to destroy, and to throw down, to build and to plant.’ To me it is said in the apostles, ‘I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.’ The successor of St. Peter is the Vicar of Christ; he has been established as mediator between God and man, below God but beyond man; less than God but more than man; who shall judge all and be judged by no one.

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http://catholicism.org/pope-innocent-iii-and-the-marks-of-a-great-papacy.html

He believe, he is over/above all kingdom, to destroy and to plan (nations) I think only God has that right, not man.
In other word,he think pope hold God political earthly authority. Yes I believe every Christian represent God, but in the sense of love and spreding gospel, not in political sense.
 

Locutus

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Our loyalty is to Christ - a pastor has his right to his political opinion and to give voice to that, I don't agree with "preaching" politics from the "pulpit" though.
 

jameen

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What if an American Christian supports President's Trump's strict immigration policies but his religious leader harbor overstaying immigrants and let them stay indefinitely at the leader's home or resthouse?

What should be the right decision about this?

Will he call the ICE or keep a blind eye on this as if he never sees it?

because sometimes, political issues are becoming religious too.
 

glf1

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2 Chron 7:14 "If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land."

2 Cor 1:20 "For all the promises of God in him (Jesus) are yea, and in him Amen, unto the glory of God by us."
 

jameen

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Is there an American who experienced this scenario?

His foreign brother or sister in his church is overstaying in the States and we know it is unlawful.

Will a Christian should help him to overstay and hide or persuade him to leave the States and if not, call the ICE to arrest his foreign brother?