LOYALTY TO COUNTRY OR LOYALTY TO YOUR RELIGIOUS PREACHERS FIRST ?

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jameen

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What should a Christian do if for example he supports his president and his polices policies but his pastors or bishops do not but instead voice their opposition through media, on the streets or both?

What if his pastors or bishops are secretly planning to oust the president or voice their opinion that he steps down whereas a Christian supports him?

What should a Christian do in this scenario?
 

trofimus

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Let the world to worry about the world.

You do not have to be involved in politics.
 

Jackson123

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What should a Christian do if for example he supports his president and his polices policies but his pastors or bishops do not but instead voice their opposition through media, on the streets or both?

What if his pastors or bishops are secretly planning to oust the president or voice their opinion that he steps down whereas a Christian supports him?

What should a Christian do in this scenario?
Only obey to Jesus.

I know It happen in nicaragua, bishop try to ilegally replace the president.

I do not know the law there, but most country, to replace president is through election, or legal impichment, If the president make a fatal mistake.
 

Jackson123

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http://greeknewsondemand.com/2017/1...-pilfered-from-imf-and-wb-that-reveal-it-all/

I believe the globalist, behind the chaos in nicaragua.

Link above is the leaked imf and world bank document, how world bank and imf destroy contries.

I believe the goal is to create one world government.

In 1989, there was an anti chinese riot in Indonesia, they kill and rape chinese.

Then I read an article from ex world bank vice president Joshep Stiglitz who didn't like world bank criminal act.

He Said imf and world bank behind that riot. They believe Indonesian chinese control 70% money in the country, If they kill or rape some of them, chinese Will run from the country, and bring their money. It Will

Drain money in the country, than world bank come offer loan, with high interest and the president must sign 114 agreement If the country fail to pay the loan, imf Will put companies that are SUPPORT people live like water, power/ electric to auction, and they Will secretly arranged the buyer Will be their group.

That is one of the strategy for the globalist to create one world government. Monopoly government

Pope promote this government.
 

notuptome

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Mt 22:21 They say unto him, Caesar’s. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.

If you cannot support the leaders in the church then find another church where you can.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Mt 22:21 They say unto him, Caesar’s. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.

If you cannot support the leaders in the church then find another church where you can.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
This is what I was gonna say

Our pastors should teach us about God. Not make a political statment. God put our leaders in place as scripture says, We should support and pray for them. Even if we disagree with them
 

Adstar

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What should a Christian do if for example he supports his president and his polices policies but his pastors or bishops do not but instead voice their opposition through media, on the streets or both?

What if his pastors or bishops are secretly planning to oust the president or voice their opinion that he steps down whereas a Christian supports him?

What should a Christian do in this scenario?
Our loyalty should always be to the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.. Let the worldly fight for worldly power.. In the end all their efforts will be as dust.. Let the worldly struggle with the worldly but your stay out of it and remain focused on the LORD and His eternal Kingdom.. It will never turn to dust..:)
 

Dino246

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Loyalty to one's country is most certainly not the same thing as loyalty to the current leader of one's country. Loyalty to one's pastor does not obligate one to support one's pastor when that pastor is doing things outside his or her role as pastor, which political action would be. That is his or her choice alone, and a congregant should feel no pressure either way.
 

jameen

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Loyalty to one's country is most certainly not the same thing as loyalty to the current leader of one's country. Loyalty to one's pastor does not obligate one to support one's pastor when that pastor is doing things outside his or her role as pastor, which political action would be. That is his or her choice alone, and a congregant should feel no pressure either way.
Well if you support the leader of your nation who supports any move/s for the better of the people and country then it is tantamount to loyalty to your country.

Our ex president allowed the passage of the controversial Reproductive Health Law which our local bishops vehemently had opposed for 14 years.

The majority supports the passage of the law and we know it will help my compatriots not to procreate a lot that will make them poorer and it easier for the government to uplift the lives of the people from poverty.

Because in my country, some hotly debated political issues are also becoming religious too like what I narrated here above.
 

Mel85

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What should a Christian do if for example he supports his president and his polices policies but his pastors or bishops do not but instead voice their opposition through media, on the streets or both?

What if his pastors or bishops are secretly planning to oust the president or voice their opinion that he steps down whereas a Christian supports him?

What should a Christian do in this scenario?
I would re-evaluate myself and seek what God wants in this scenario. If you are lost between being loyal to the state and being loyal to your pastor, then imo your priorities are wrong - loyalty or should I say commitment should be with God first, then He will show you the right path to go.
 

jameen

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Let the world to worry about the world.

You do not have to be involved in politics.
Are you sure even some moves of other politicians will endanger the security of your country?

what if for example that it is true that US Liberals want more immigrants to be American citizens easier so that these immigrants will become loyal voters for the Party in order to be the majority in the government?

These immigrants sometimes bring crimes, illegal drugs and other iniquities in the States? Is it okay to that these kind of people to stay longer in the States and be naturalized US citizen?

Are you sure that you will not get involved on this issue?
 
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The word of God is not liberal or conservative. His word is called TRUTH. When you bring in the tradition of man (human knowledge), God calls this sin. We now have something in common with the Devil. We have left the Kingdom of God and entered into the Kingdom of darkness. The scripture says that there is a wisdom that comes from God and a wisdom that comes from below; worldliness - the flesh - and demons. Politics can easily bring Christians into the "Law."

The position that the church should be like the Captain of the Hosts of the Lord in Joshua 5. When Joshua questioned him on whose side He was on, He said neither! He made it clear to Joshua that He represented God’s kingdom alone. It was not a question of what side He was on; the real question was who’s on the Lord’s side.

The Church represents the Kingdom of God just as the Captain of the Hosts of the Lord. But too many of us have chosen sides.

The Captain of the Host of the Lord made it clear that He hadn't come to take sides. He had come to take over. God didn't come to take sides; He came to take over.


Pastor Tony Evans
 

Nehemiah6

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What if his pastors or bishops are secretly planning to oust the president or voice their opinion that he steps down whereas a Christian supports him?
This would be a conspiracy for a soft coup, and essentially treason. And you should know that the fate of traitors in any country is (or was) execution. Which means that you would have to be a whistleblower and expose the conspiracy.
 

Jackson123

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Are you sure even some moves of other politicians will endanger the security of your country?

what if for example that it is true that US Liberals want more immigrants to be American citizens easier so that these immigrants will become loyal voters for the Party in order to be the majority in the government?

These immigrants sometimes bring crimes, illegal drugs and other iniquities in the States? Is it okay to that these kind of people to stay longer in the States and be naturalized US citizen?

Are you sure that you will not get involved on this issue?
After I read a Lot about politic that happen in my country, now I am not take side anymore. Politic is Dirty. Some time they look good because not agree with gay marriage. But It only to get simphaty to Christian, than they have secret agenda that is unbiblical.

The devil pretend to be angel of light, that is politic.

In 1965 there was coup in Indonesia, in the history, It say communist attemp to coup president Sukarno. But professor Ben Anderson and some western journalIst say, It is CIA behind all chaos, because president sukarno Cancel his membership to united nation.

The real reason is globalist want every country under their control then they try to Find a reason to remove the president.

Say in nicaragua people do not like gay marriage.
The president for gay marriage.

AS long AS the president obey all their instruction, they do not care.

But If the president has his own agenda not inline with them, they start attact the president, promote the removal of the president and use gay marriage AS a weapon.

Gay marriage is not the real reason for them to remove the president.

Politic is dirty.
 

jb

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What should a Christian do if for example he supports his president and his polices policies but his pastors or bishops do not but instead voice their opposition through media, on the streets or both?

What if his pastors or bishops are secretly planning to oust the president or voice their opinion that he steps down whereas a Christian supports him?

What should a Christian do in this scenario?
Acts 4v19......
 

Blain

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If the pastors or whatever are plotting such things then regardless of their reasons or motives they should know better and should repent for even attempting such a thing. Politics is a poison and I am not exaggerating on that it literally takes even the most pure of believers and twists their thoughts and beliefs seperating and dividing an already separated and divided body just from it's own verson of politics with denominations and such. Plotting and planning to overthrow is the kind of thinking the enemy does and even with all the apostles went through they never once attempted such a thing or even had that kind of mindset.

Even if these pastors and bishops were doing this with the best and purest intentions some of the most horrific things in history even by those who did it in the name of God were done with the best intentions.