The prodigal son?

I have presented what was taught in the actual scripture, using the words and phrases Jesus used.


Your theory that what Jesus taught His disciples throughout the scriptures are only applicable to that moment in time and do not teach all generations eternal truths that pertain to all His people, basically makes the Bible obsolete.



His sheep who become lost, whether in the first century or today, need to repent as a sinner, in order to be reconciled back to God.



Hear the parable of the lost sheep and the instructions to Christians.



Matthew's version shows us what Jesus taught about dealing with such a person, and in context shows us the principle of forgiveness and unforgiveness.


“What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them goes astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine and go to the mountains to seek the one that is straying? And if he should find it, assuredly, I say to you, he rejoices more over that sheep than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray. Even so it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish. “Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’ And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector. Matthew 18:12-17

• If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them goes astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine and go to the mountains to seek the one that is straying?
• And if he should find it, assuredly, I say to you, he rejoices more over that sheep than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray.

Jesus defines the steps to take, to go after a person who has sinned against you to get them to repent:

1. “Moreover [likewise] if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone.
2. If he hears you, you have gained your brother.
3. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’
4. And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.

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Acts 1:

4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

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2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.


Also check out what Jesus said concerning the Comforter in John 14, 15, 16. The indwelling of the Holy Spirit which occurred on Day of Pentecost was not available until after the death, resurrection, and ascension of the Lord Jesus Christ into heaven. In John 16:7, Jesus told His disciples that if He did not go away, the Comforter would not come:

Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.

The the Holy Spirit recalls to us what the Messiah taught while on earth:

John 14:23-26, “יהושע answered him, “If anyone loves Me, he shall guard My Word. And My Father shall love him, and We shall come to him and make Our stay with him. He who does not love Me does not guard My Words. And the Word which you hear is not Mine but of the Father Who sent Me. These Words I have spoken to you while still with you. But the Helper, the Set-apart Spirit, whom the Father shall send in My Name, He shall teach you all, and remind you of all that I said to you.”

No, the BIBLE states what is required to be a Christian, not some man made creed written by men in 390.....take your religion someplace else pal.....you can bark up this religious creed tree all day long and it will not change my mind about the fact that the bible sets the standard not men in 390 A.D....!!

John/Yahanan 10:27-30, "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life, and they will never perish; neither will any man snatch them out of My hand. My Father, Who gave them to Me, is greater than all; and no man is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand: I and My Father are in accord."

What the point?


Is that s scripture just for Jews?



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What does Romans 15:4 have to do with Jesus teaching that His sheep who wander away and become lost need to repent.

These have become unreconciled to Him, being sinners; unjust.


Do the lost need salvation?



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How about you provide Scripture upon which you rely which indicates that when Jesus spoke the parables in Luke 15, those to whom He spoke were "Born again - Children of God".

Was the prodigal son lost when he was with his father before he left?


Were the 100 sheep lost?


The 100 sheep belonged to the shepherd.


One became lost.


How does that apply to us today?

How do we put into practice today these these principles that Jesus taught?



What do you think? If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them goes astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine and go to the mountains to seek the one that is straying? And if he should find it, assuredly, I say to you, he rejoices more over that sheep than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray. Even so it is not the will of your Father who is in heaven that one of these little ones should perish. “Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’ And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector. Matthew 18:12-17

• If a man has a hundred sheep, and one of them goes astray, does he not leave the ninety-nine and go to the mountains to seek the one that is straying?
• And if he should find it, assuredly, I say to you, he rejoices more over that sheep than over the ninety-nine that did not go astray.

Jesus defines the steps to take, to go after a person who has sinned against you to get them to repent:

1. “Moreover [likewise] if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone.
2. If he hears you, you have gained your brother.
3. But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’
4. And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.

Jesus was referring to people who belonged to God. The Church.


Please show me where a person who belongs to God is not born of God.



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In our day and time a brother in Christ who wanders away from the truth needs to repent of face eternal death.


Brethren, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins. James 5:19-20

• he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death;

• Brethren; James is writing to the Church and addressing brethren.
• if anyone among you wanders from the truth; again anyone among you refers to Christian brothers.
• wanders from the truth; Jesus Christ is the truth. The Gospel of the kingdom.
• let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death;

The truth is clear, that a Christian can indeed become lost by wandering from the truth, and be considered as a sinner in need of repentance, or be lost; lose their soul in eternal death.




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The people that Jesus preached the Gospel to, who believed and were baptized, were saved.


If you believe the people who Jesus preached the Gospel to, whom His disciples baptized, were not saved
(Born again), then please explain why you think this?


After these things Jesus and His disciples came into the land of Judea, and there He remained with them and baptized.
John 3:22


Please explain why you think Jesus would baptize an unsaved person?



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justpassinthrough said:

In our day and time a brother in Christ who wanders away from the truth needs to repent of face eternal death.

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In agreement that a born again believer needs to repent and turn back to our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and our Father God.

Not in agreement that the born again believer faces "eternal" death. You have added the word "eternal" to what is written in James 5:20.

How about you read James 5:19-20 in light of what is written in 1 Cor 5:5 (To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus).

It could just be that James 5:19-20 is not speaking of "eternal" death (as you claim).

The prodigal is similar to the lost sheep in that both are a type of religious lost sinners getting saved. Both started out in the religious fold but their sinful nature led them to walk away from God. Jesus sought and found the lost sheep. The Holy Spirit drew the prodigal to a new relationship with his Father.

I’m not changing anything.

I’m teaching what the scriptures say and you are denying what the scriptures say.


It’s that simple.


Sheep who become lost need salvation.


A very simple concept.


Born again is a reference to being born of God. His son. His own people.

His sheep. Reconciled to Him. Justified.

Know Him. Joined to Him.

Right with Him; Righteous


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Yes. Eternal death.

Perish.

The second death.

Spiritual death.

As opposed to natural death: physical death.


Please explain how a soul dies, or perishes.



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not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, whom He poured out on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior, that having been justified by His grace we should become heirs according to the hope of eternal life. Titus 3:5-7.


Justification, saved by grace, born again, regenerated, Reconciled to God are references to the same thing.


Born of God.


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